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  calling a value into another php script... nag <visitnag@gmail.com> - 2013-08-28 18:35 -0700
    Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-28 22:56 -0400
      Re: calling a value into another php script... nag <visitnag@gmail.com> - 2013-08-29 06:06 -0700
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-29 09:31 -0400
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-29 17:35 +0200
    Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-29 11:40 +0200
    Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-08-29 20:18 -0400
      Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-08-30 02:57 +0200
        Re: calling a value into another php script... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-08-30 02:54 +0100
          Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-08-30 17:15 -0400
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-30 11:57 +0200
          Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 08:49 -0400
            Re: calling a value into another php script... Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-08-30 14:30 +0000
              Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 11:42 -0400
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-08-31 00:19 +0200
                  Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:33 -0400
                    Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:57 -0400
                      Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-01 20:23 +0200
                        Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-01 15:09 -0400
                  Re: calling a value into another php script... Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 01:28 +0000
                    Re: calling a value into another php script... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-08-31 03:55 +0100
                      Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 23:02 -0400
          Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-08-31 00:10 +0200
            Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-31 01:06 +0200
              Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:39 -0400
              Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-01 20:10 +0200
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-01 15:19 -0400
              Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-02 15:13 -0400
            Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:37 -0400
      Re: calling a value into another php script... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-08-30 02:50 +0100
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-29 22:18 -0400
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-08-30 17:24 -0400
          Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:41 -0400
      Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-29 21:50 -0400
    Re: calling a value into another php script... Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-08-31 07:00 -0400

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#10673

On 31/08/13 02:28, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:19:48 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>
>>>> Anyway, as you say, the browser is probably buffering the page,
>>>> especially if it's using compression, so all that buffering in php
>>>> will do is increase the memory footprint of the process.
>> What the browser does is completely unrelated to the issue at
>> hand--we're talking about the server side.
> Yes, freudian slip, typed browser when I meant web server process, so sue
> me.
>
> And TPEL is the most anally retentive twat I have ever come across on
> usenet, even if you don't find my saying so helpful. I have never seen
> him make a constructive comment, I have only ever seen him criticise the
> input of others.
>
> In that respect he's worse than TNP, Twayne, Richard the stoopid and the
> bigoted idiot that uses broken html on the basis it renders ok and then
> whines when his overlong broken pages overflow the ability of browsers to
> cope with his element nesting errors.
>
Another constructive comment....not?

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#10674

On 8/30/2013 10:55 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 31/08/13 02:28, Denis McMahon wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 00:19:48 +0200, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>
>>>>> Anyway, as you say, the browser is probably buffering the page,
>>>>> especially if it's using compression, so all that buffering in php
>>>>> will do is increase the memory footprint of the process.
>>> What the browser does is completely unrelated to the issue at
>>> hand--we're talking about the server side.
>> Yes, freudian slip, typed browser when I meant web server process, so sue
>> me.
>>
>> And TPEL is the most anally retentive twat I have ever come across on
>> usenet, even if you don't find my saying so helpful. I have never seen
>> him make a constructive comment, I have only ever seen him criticise the
>> input of others.
>>
>> In that respect he's worse than TNP, Twayne, Richard the stoopid and the
>> bigoted idiot that uses broken html on the basis it renders ok and then
>> whines when his overlong broken pages overflow the ability of browsers to
>> cope with his element nesting errors.
>>
> Another constructive comment....not?
>

More constructive than any you ever make.


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#10663

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> 
>> Twayne wrote:
>>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of a
>>> troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>>> information, if he actually has any.
>>
>> One may consider Jerry opinionated--but one should better not fall to
>> the fallacy to consider him clueless.  On the contrary, he can give
>> valuable hints if one asks the "right" questions. 
> 
> (This concerns all, so no reply via e-mail this time.)
> 
> Like actually recommending to *disable* output buffering on a production 
> site, when having output buffering *enabled* is *the* *proven*, simple 
> measure to make a PHP-powered site faster, thus more user-friendly.
> 
> <news:ku1e26$5a9$3@dont-email.me>
> 
> vs.
> 
> ,-[default php.ini]
> | 
> | ; output_buffering
> | ;   Default Value: Off
> | ;   Development Value: 4096
> | ;   Production Value: 4096

If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?  Of course one can simply
ignore such posts; other readers may not, and draw the conclusion that
the newsgroup is not worth reading, let alone asking a question or
starting a discussion here.

BTW: I consider a production value of output_buffering=4096 a reasonable
setting.  However, I wouldn't accept the mere mention in a comment in
php.ini a proof that it increases performance.

> And that is just one of many examples where he is – probably out of lack of 
> *real* *PHP* *development* experience – dead wrong, while the majority of 
> his postings are nothing more than calling someone else troll.
> 
> (Q: If he realized it was a troll, why would he not just *stop* *feeding* 
> them?  A: It takes one to know one.)

On the other hand, leaving trolls trolling around, might easily result
in these trolls taking over a discussion group...

Besides, calling someone a troll means to pigeon-hole them.  IMO that
seldom fits exactly--there are more colors than just black and white.

> So thanks, but no, thanks.  This newsgroup is much more readable for me 
> without his postings.  Should he post anything valuable, which I consider 
> highly unlikely at this point, I will be reading it in quotations.

You may have read
<news:5213b351$0$6566$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>.  Jerry was
the only one who was willing to help there--and he was able to do so.

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#10665

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>> Twayne wrote:
>>>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of
>>>> a troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>>>> information, if he actually has any.
>>>
>>> One may consider Jerry opinionated--but one should better not fall to
>>> the fallacy to consider him clueless.  On the contrary, he can give
>>> valuable hints if one asks the "right" questions.
>> 
>> (This concerns all, so no reply via e-mail this time.)
>> 
>> Like actually recommending to *disable* output buffering on a production
>> site, when having output buffering *enabled* is *the* *proven*, simple
>> measure to make a PHP-powered site faster, thus more user-friendly.
>> 
>> <news:ku1e26$5a9$3@dont-email.me>
>> 
>> vs.
>> 
>> ,-[default php.ini]
>> | 
>> | ; output_buffering
>> | ;   Default Value: Off
>> | ;   Development Value: 4096
>> | ;   Production Value: 4096
> 
> If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
> to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?

Not if the result of that would be to be called names, regardless of how and 
what the reply is.  You see, *that* is the problem.  With some people it 
does not matter what you post and how correct you are, you are always a 
troll, and always called names.  There are other prominent examples for that 
attitude in the Big 8, and I have them killfiled as well.  It is just not 
worth it.

> Of course one can simply ignore such posts; other readers may not, and
> draw the conclusion that the newsgroup is not worth reading, let alone
> asking a question or starting a discussion here.

Arguing with the silent majority already?
 
> BTW: I consider a production value of output_buffering=4096 a reasonable
> setting.

AOL.

> However, I wouldn't accept the mere mention in a comment in php.ini a
> proof that it increases performance.

And well you should not.  However, you should accept it as a recommendation 
for the mentioned environment, whatever the reasons.  Because those comments 
are there by default for a reason.

And as for assessing performance, you could just use your mind: What does 
output buffering do?  And UTSL, I have gotten the impression that you can do 
that.
 
>> And that is just one of many examples where he is – probably out of lack
>> of *real* *PHP* *development* experience – dead wrong, while the majority
>> of his postings are nothing more than calling someone else troll.
>> 
>> (Q: If he realized it was a troll, why would he not just *stop* *feeding*
>> them?  A: It takes one to know one.)
> 
> On the other hand, leaving trolls trolling around, might easily result
> in these trolls taking over a discussion group...

Utter nonsense.  *Feeding* the troll is the way to destroy the newsgroup, 
because then it will be filled with off-topic flamewars instead of on-topic 
discussions, and participants will leave because even their killfile will 
not help them to see the good threads (they would have to killfile the 
feeders as well, and then nobody would be left).  You must not have been on 
Usenet for very long, for simply the record clearly proves me correct.
 
> Besides, calling someone a troll means to pigeon-hole them.  IMO that
> seldom fits exactly--there are more colors than just black and white.

IIRC, *I* have not called anyone a troll or other names in this newsgroup, 
ever.  As for “IMO”, you should insert an “H” in the right place, and read 
above.
 
>> So thanks, but no, thanks.  This newsgroup is much more readable for me
>> without his postings.  Should he post anything valuable, which I consider
>> highly unlikely at this point, I will be reading it in quotations.
> 
> You may have read
> <news:5213b351$0$6566$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>.  Jerry was
> the only one who was willing to help there--and he was able to do so.

So he knows a bit of *C* and *guessed* correctly.  I suspected as much.

Anyhow, I was not going to start a discussion about Jerry.  I just did not 
want to let your statement go without correction.


PointedEars
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Sometimes, what you learn is wrong. If those wrong ideas are close to the 
root of the knowledge tree you build on a particular subject, pruning the 
bad branches can sometimes cause the whole tree to collapse.
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#10669

On 8/30/2013 7:06 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>
>>
>> If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
>> to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?
>
> Not if the result of that would be to be called names, regardless of how and
> what the reply is.  You see, *that* is the problem.  With some people it
> does not matter what you post and how correct you are, you are always a
> troll, and always called names.  There are other prominent examples for that
> attitude in the Big 8, and I have them killfiled as well.  It is just not
> worth it.
>

Is that why hundreds of people in multiple Big 8 newsgroups have 
killfiled you?


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#10695

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>
>> If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
>> to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?
> 
> Not if the result of that would be to be called names, regardless of how and 
> what the reply is.  You see, *that* is the problem.  With some people it 
> does not matter what you post and how correct you are, you are always a 
> troll, and always called names.  There are other prominent examples for that 
> attitude in the Big 8, and I have them killfiled as well.  It is just not 
> worth it.

Well, I see your point.

>> However, I wouldn't accept the mere mention in a comment in php.ini a
>> proof that it increases performance.
> 
> And well you should not.  However, you should accept it as a recommendation 
> for the mentioned environment, whatever the reasons.  Because those comments 
> are there by default for a reason.
> 
> And as for assessing performance, you could just use your mind: What does 
> output buffering do?  And UTSL, I have gotten the impression that you can do 
> that.

Of course, buffering output in a well-sized buffer will usually increase
performance.  Looking at the source, however, might take a long time, as
I *assume* that one would have to inspect the different SAPIs (and maybe
code of the respective webserver, too).

>>> And that is just one of many examples where he is – probably out of lack
>>> of *real* *PHP* *development* experience – dead wrong, while the majority
>>> of his postings are nothing more than calling someone else troll.
>>>
>>> (Q: If he realized it was a troll, why would he not just *stop* *feeding*
>>> them?  A: It takes one to know one.)
>>
>> On the other hand, leaving trolls trolling around, might easily result
>> in these trolls taking over a discussion group...
> 
> Utter nonsense.  *Feeding* the troll is the way to destroy the newsgroup, 
> because then it will be filled with off-topic flamewars instead of on-topic 
> discussions, and participants will leave because even their killfile will 
> not help them to see the good threads (they would have to killfile the 
> feeders as well, and then nobody would be left).  You must not have been on 
> Usenet for very long, for simply the record clearly proves me correct.

I have to admit that I'm quite new to usenet.  And of course, you're
right, that it is the usual recommendation not to feed trolls.

>> Besides, calling someone a troll means to pigeon-hole them.  IMO that
>> seldom fits exactly--there are more colors than just black and white.
> 
> IIRC, *I* have not called anyone a troll or other names in this newsgroup, 
> ever.  As for “IMO”, you should insert an “H” in the right place, and read 
> above.

I didn't mean to say that you have called anyone a troll or other names;
I just made a general statement, that's true, IMHO.

BTW: In <news:4414431.ocNU36q1Oe@PointedEars.de> Thomas 'PointedEars'
Lahn wrote:

| Of course, that one person also had the intelligence not to fall
| for the resident name-calling troll that started all this nonsense.

:)

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#10698

On 9/1/2013 2:10 PM, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>
>>> If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
>>> to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?
>>
>> Not if the result of that would be to be called names, regardless of how and
>> what the reply is.  You see, *that* is the problem.  With some people it
>> does not matter what you post and how correct you are, you are always a
>> troll, and always called names.  There are other prominent examples for that
>> attitude in the Big 8, and I have them killfiled as well.  It is just not
>> worth it.
>
> Well, I see your point.
>
>>> However, I wouldn't accept the mere mention in a comment in php.ini a
>>> proof that it increases performance.
>>
>> And well you should not.  However, you should accept it as a recommendation
>> for the mentioned environment, whatever the reasons.  Because those comments
>> are there by default for a reason.
>>
>> And as for assessing performance, you could just use your mind: What does
>> output buffering do?  And UTSL, I have gotten the impression that you can do
>> that.
>
> Of course, buffering output in a well-sized buffer will usually increase
> performance.  Looking at the source, however, might take a long time, as
> I *assume* that one would have to inspect the different SAPIs (and maybe
> code of the respective webserver, too).
>

Not necessarily.  If buffering is already efficient, adding another 
level will generally DECREASE performance.

PHP and Apache do a good job of buffering already; adding another layer 
in the script adds additional, unnecessary overhead.

>>>> And that is just one of many examples where he is – probably out of lack
>>>> of *real* *PHP* *development* experience – dead wrong, while the majority
>>>> of his postings are nothing more than calling someone else troll.
>>>>
>>>> (Q: If he realized it was a troll, why would he not just *stop* *feeding*
>>>> them?  A: It takes one to know one.)
>>>
>>> On the other hand, leaving trolls trolling around, might easily result
>>> in these trolls taking over a discussion group...
>>
>> Utter nonsense.  *Feeding* the troll is the way to destroy the newsgroup,
>> because then it will be filled with off-topic flamewars instead of on-topic
>> discussions, and participants will leave because even their killfile will
>> not help them to see the good threads (they would have to killfile the
>> feeders as well, and then nobody would be left).  You must not have been on
>> Usenet for very long, for simply the record clearly proves me correct.
>
> I have to admit that I'm quite new to usenet.  And of course, you're
> right, that it is the usual recommendation not to feed trolls.
>

I've been on it for over 30 years - in fact, before there was a usenet 
and the main form of mass communications was mail lists.  I still 
remember when usenet started with a couple of servers.  We didn't have 
problems with trolls then, but about the only ones on were 
government/military, universities and corporations doing business with 
the military.  It has changed a lot now, and the trolls generally hide 
in sheeps clothing.  The only way to find out is to see who actually 
helps out by going through the archives.

>>> Besides, calling someone a troll means to pigeon-hole them.  IMO that
>>> seldom fits exactly--there are more colors than just black and white.
>>
>> IIRC, *I* have not called anyone a troll or other names in this newsgroup,
>> ever.  As for “IMO”, you should insert an “H” in the right place, and read
>> above.
>
> I didn't mean to say that you have called anyone a troll or other names;
> I just made a general statement, that's true, IMHO.
>

And then there are those who are intent on correcting other people's 
language, acronyms, spelling and capitalization to whatever THAT person 
deems appropriate.

> BTW: In <news:4414431.ocNU36q1Oe@PointedEars.de> Thomas 'PointedEars'
> Lahn wrote:
>
> | Of course, that one person also had the intelligence not to fall
> | for the resident name-calling troll that started all this nonsense.
>
> :)
>

And of course, the trolls always claim they are innocent and it is 
someone else.

Look through the archives.  See who actually helped others, and who just 
complained.  Make your own decisions.

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#10705

On 2013-08-30 7:06 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>>> Twayne wrote:
>>>>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of
>>>>> a troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>>>>> information, if he actually has any.
...

>>
>> If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
>> to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?
>
> Not if the result of that would be to be called names, regardless of how and
> what the reply is.  You see, *that* is the problem.  With some people it
> does not matter what you post and how correct you are, you are always a
> troll, and always called names.  There are other prominent examples for that
> attitude in the Big 8, and I have them killfiled as well.  It is just not
> worth it.

Absolutely; It's not very hard to simply ignore posters who goad on and 
on to get a troll-type response and point it out. Most with such a loss 
of respect and reputation would just move on if they weren't 
appreciated. But when one begins the same types of post over and over, 
well, they're bound to be labelled.
>
>> Of course one can simply ignore such posts; other readers may not, and
>> draw the conclusion that the newsgroup is not worth reading, let alone
>> asking a question or starting a discussion here.

Mmm, I don't know; most thinking people realize who the "good" and "bad" 
posters are and find it easy enough to ignore them IFF there are ALSO 
those who post with the right intent, respect and consideration of the 
source of the questions.

...

>>>
>>> (Q: If he realized it was a troll, why would he not just *stop* *feeding*
>>> them?  A: It takes one to know one.)
>>
>> On the other hand, leaving trolls trolling around, might easily result
>> in these trolls taking over a discussion group...

Which brings me to the WHY of my taking a minute or two to post.  Those 
who respond to any troll (or just plain miscreant) types are nearly as 
bad as the perpetrator and it dissppoints me to see them lowering 
themselves to that level of activity.

>
> Utter nonsense.  *Feeding* the troll is the way to destroy the newsgroup,
> because then it will be filled with off-topic flamewars instead of on-topic
> discussions, and participants will leave because even their killfile will
> not help them to see the good threads (they would have to killfile the
> feeders as well, and then nobody would be left).  You must not have been on
> Usenet for very long, for simply the record clearly proves me correct.

Right on. The best tool at hand, other than reporting the perp, is to 
simply completely ignore him. Any response to a "troll" is "food" to 
them as it encourages them to become even worse. Starve them of that 
food and they not only get more hungry for it, but also to feel the lack 
of any control they may have over their victims, since they end up with 
no victims left. That's when they'll get distraught, so to speak, and 
look elsewhere for their daily meals, regardless of the reason they do 
the trolling at all.

>
>> Besides, calling someone a troll means to pigeon-hole them.  IMO that
>> seldom fits exactly--there are more colors than just black and white.

Definitely agreed; Innocent people, especially newbies to Usenet or even 
forums though not so much, can easily be caught up in the troll-fests. 
You need to develop a tougher skin on Usenet than most other places and 
learn that a useless post has no meaning and if a pattern develops, well 
... .

>
> IIRC, *I* have not called anyone a troll or other names in this newsgroup,
> ever.  As for “IMO”, you should insert an “H” in the right place, and read
> above.

I don't recall you ever calling anyone a troll and even if you did, as 
long as it wasn't misdirected, I wouldn't care about a passing reference 
anyway.

Have you noticed; some people see the H as "honest", not "humble", and 
other words too. When I offer an opinion, it's a way to separate it from 
being interpreted as any kind of fact I'm trying to push on anyone - 
thus, "IMO". IMHO is an acronym people just don't bother to know what it 
actually means, or don't remember it accurately.

...

> Anyhow, I was not going to start a discussion about Jerry.  I just did not
> want to let your statement go without correction.

More accurately, excepting actual PHP comments, you mean in your 
opinion, right? :)
>
>
> PointedEars
>

Oh, if Jerry were the only one. I do a lot of work on the proffesional 
newsgroups that are left, and he's not unique by any measure. It's just 
the way the world works.

IMO: Let's just give him a 100% pass and be done with it.

Regards,

Twayne`

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#10668

On 8/30/2013 6:10 PM, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>
>>> Twayne wrote:
>>>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of a
>>>> troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>>>> information, if he actually has any.
>>>
>>> One may consider Jerry opinionated--but one should better not fall to
>>> the fallacy to consider him clueless.  On the contrary, he can give
>>> valuable hints if one asks the "right" questions.
>>
>> (This concerns all, so no reply via e-mail this time.)
>>
>> Like actually recommending to *disable* output buffering on a production
>> site, when having output buffering *enabled* is *the* *proven*, simple
>> measure to make a PHP-powered site faster, thus more user-friendly.
>>
>> <news:ku1e26$5a9$3@dont-email.me>
>>
>> vs.
>>
>> ,-[default php.ini]
>> |
>> | ; output_buffering
>> | ;   Default Value: Off
>> | ;   Development Value: 4096
>> | ;   Production Value: 4096
>
> If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
> to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?  Of course one can simply
> ignore such posts; other readers may not, and draw the conclusion that
> the newsgroup is not worth reading, let alone asking a question or
> starting a discussion here.
>
> BTW: I consider a production value of output_buffering=4096 a reasonable
> setting.  However, I wouldn't accept the mere mention in a comment in
> php.ini a proof that it increases performance.
>

Which has nothing to do with Pointed Head's comments.

>> And that is just one of many examples where he is – probably out of lack of
>> *real* *PHP* *development* experience – dead wrong, while the majority of
>> his postings are nothing more than calling someone else troll.
>>
>> (Q: If he realized it was a troll, why would he not just *stop* *feeding*
>> them?  A: It takes one to know one.)
>
> On the other hand, leaving trolls trolling around, might easily result
> in these trolls taking over a discussion group...
>
> Besides, calling someone a troll means to pigeon-hole them.  IMO that
> seldom fits exactly--there are more colors than just black and white.
>

Not in the case of a couple of trolls here.  For instance, Pointed 
Head's greatest contribution to this newsgroup is repeating "There is no 
java script.".  And TNP's only contribution is to cut down other people 
or post wrong code.

>> So thanks, but no, thanks.  This newsgroup is much more readable for me
>> without his postings.  Should he post anything valuable, which I consider
>> highly unlikely at this point, I will be reading it in quotations.
>
> You may have read
> <news:5213b351$0$6566$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>.  Jerry was
> the only one who was willing to help there--and he was able to do so.
>

That's TNP for you.  He ignores me because I have caught him in too many 
lies about his "professional" experience - as an Electrical Engineer and 
a programmer.  He has repeatedly shown no aptitude in either case.  So 
his only choice is to try to discredit me.

That's why he uses an alias - so people can't see his true nature.  But 
then trolls generally hide behind aliases.

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#10651

On 30/08/13 01:18, Twayne wrote:
>
> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of 
> a troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful 
> information, if he actually has any.
>
>
Wrong. You can and should completely ignore stuckle because he IS a 
troll and never ever parts with anything useful because he never had it 
in the first place.


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#10654

On 8/29/2013 9:50 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/08/13 01:18, Twayne wrote:
>>
>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of
>> a troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>> information, if he actually has any.
>>
>>
> Wrong. You can and should completely ignore stuckle because he IS a
> troll and never ever parts with anything useful because he never had it
> in the first place.
>
>

So sayeth the anonymous troll who's afraid for people to find out his 
real name or email address because in real life he's neither the EE nor 
the programmer he claims to be.  Just an out-of-work ditch digger who 
got fired because he didn't know which end of the shovel to use.

A troll to the end.


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#10662

On 2013-08-29 9:50 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/08/13 01:18, Twayne wrote:
>>
>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of
>> a troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>> information, if he actually has any.
>>
>>
> Wrong. You can and should completely ignore stuckle because he IS a
> troll and never ever parts with anything useful because he never had it
> in the first place.
>
>

He may have had something useful to say at one time but not via any post 
I've seen here or on others sites he frequents. I do believe, actually 
know, he's a troll, and probably an old, non-current coder nowadays.

I just simply seldom read any  of this posts.  He can be funny, too. He 
once told me he'd never again respond to anything I said, and then 
responded to several posts of mine, and the last time I poked at him, he 
said I promised never to talk to him again, which was a lie. Luckily 
he's easy to ignore; but I digress ...

I've been around here long enough now to appreciate those who are truly 
helpful, even if it doesn't answer my query; I always appreciate the 
attempts.

Cheers,

Twayne`

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#10670

On 8/30/2013 5:24 PM, Twayne wrote:
> On 2013-08-29 9:50 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/08/13 01:18, Twayne wrote:
>>>
>>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of
>>> a troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>>> information, if he actually has any.
>>>
>>>
>> Wrong. You can and should completely ignore stuckle because he IS a
>> troll and never ever parts with anything useful because he never had it
>> in the first place.
>>
>>
>
> He may have had something useful to say at one time but not via any post
> I've seen here or on others sites he frequents. I do believe, actually
> know, he's a troll, and probably an old, non-current coder nowadays.
>
> I just simply seldom read any  of this posts.  He can be funny, too. He
> once told me he'd never again respond to anything I said, and then
> responded to several posts of mine, and the last time I poked at him, he
> said I promised never to talk to him again, which was a lie. Luckily
> he's easy to ignore; but I digress ...
>
> I've been around here long enough now to appreciate those who are truly
> helpful, even if it doesn't answer my query; I always appreciate the
> attempts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Twayne`

One correction - I said I would never try to HELP you again.  It isn't 
worth the pain.

And yes, you said you were going to killfile me.  But I guess your 
memory is so short.

And BTW - I probably write more code in one day than you accomplish in a 
week.  I am very current, in multiple languages.

That's more than I can say for you.


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#10652

On 8/29/2013 8:18 PM, Twayne wrote:
> On 2013-08-28 9:35 PM, nag wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am using an index.html to execute a php prog. First I am choosing a
>> an option from a
>
>   >dropdown list, which will connect to a mail server. If the password
> is correct then it will open
>
>> ?second html page. I want to call the code part into the
>
>> second html page. How can it be done?
>>
>> <form action=xyz.php method=POST>
>> <option selected>Select from list</option>
>> <option value="x23@xyz.com">name1,code1</option>
>> <option value="y13@xyz.com">name2,code2</option>
>> <option value="z33@xyz.com">name3,code3</option>
>>
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>
> I'm not sure, but you might want to use an href for the file you want to
> open. As already mentioned, your info is a little lacking in detail;
> actual code would be better to look at.
>
> Also you should set your line lengths in your nntp client to be 80
> characters or less in length. Over-length lines often won't all a
> response until they're broken up as I did above.
>
> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of a
> troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
> information, if he actually has any.
>
>

ROFL.  The troll is trying to redirect.  You're as bad as TNP.


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#10676

On 08/28/2013 09:35 PM, nag wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am using an index.html to execute a php prog. First I am choosing a an option from a dropdown list,
 > which will connect to a mail server. If the password is correct then 
it will open second html page.
 > I want to call the code part into the second html page. How can it be 
done?
>
> <form action=xyz.php method=POST>
> <option selected>Select from list</option>
> <option value="x23@xyz.com">name1,code1</option>
> <option value="y13@xyz.com">name2,code2</option>
> <option value="z33@xyz.com">name3,code3</option>
>
>
> thank you.
>

nag,

   This is a basic SESSION issue. You need to start a SESSION when the 
visitor enters the index page and then use the SESSION to transfer data 
to your xyz/mail server page. For this basic setup to work you need to 
run everything through PHP to maintain the SESSION.

   Please see: http://us3.php.net/manual/en/book.session.php

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Registered Linux user #461062
-Have you been to www.php.net yet?-

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