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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>> Twayne wrote:
>>>> And while I'm at it, you can pretty  much ignore Stuckle; he's more of
>>>> a troll than anything else and very, very seldom parts with any useful
>>>> information, if he actually has any.
>>>
>>> One may consider Jerry opinionated--but one should better not fall to
>>> the fallacy to consider him clueless.  On the contrary, he can give
>>> valuable hints if one asks the "right" questions.
>> 
>> (This concerns all, so no reply via e-mail this time.)
>> 
>> Like actually recommending to *disable* output buffering on a production
>> site, when having output buffering *enabled* is *the* *proven*, simple
>> measure to make a PHP-powered site faster, thus more user-friendly.
>> 
>> <news:ku1e26$5a9$3@dont-email.me>
>> 
>> vs.
>> 
>> ,-[default php.ini]
>> | 
>> | ; output_buffering
>> | ;   Default Value: Off
>> | ;   Development Value: 4096
>> | ;   Production Value: 4096
> 
> If one posts wrong information in this newsgroup--wouldn't it be useful
> to reply by pointing out that it is wrong?

Not if the result of that would be to be called names, regardless of how and 
what the reply is.  You see, *that* is the problem.  With some people it 
does not matter what you post and how correct you are, you are always a 
troll, and always called names.  There are other prominent examples for that 
attitude in the Big 8, and I have them killfiled as well.  It is just not 
worth it.

> Of course one can simply ignore such posts; other readers may not, and
> draw the conclusion that the newsgroup is not worth reading, let alone
> asking a question or starting a discussion here.

Arguing with the silent majority already?
 
> BTW: I consider a production value of output_buffering=4096 a reasonable
> setting.

AOL.

> However, I wouldn't accept the mere mention in a comment in php.ini a
> proof that it increases performance.

And well you should not.  However, you should accept it as a recommendation 
for the mentioned environment, whatever the reasons.  Because those comments 
are there by default for a reason.

And as for assessing performance, you could just use your mind: What does 
output buffering do?  And UTSL, I have gotten the impression that you can do 
that.
 
>> And that is just one of many examples where he is – probably out of lack
>> of *real* *PHP* *development* experience – dead wrong, while the majority
>> of his postings are nothing more than calling someone else troll.
>> 
>> (Q: If he realized it was a troll, why would he not just *stop* *feeding*
>> them?  A: It takes one to know one.)
> 
> On the other hand, leaving trolls trolling around, might easily result
> in these trolls taking over a discussion group...

Utter nonsense.  *Feeding* the troll is the way to destroy the newsgroup, 
because then it will be filled with off-topic flamewars instead of on-topic 
discussions, and participants will leave because even their killfile will 
not help them to see the good threads (they would have to killfile the 
feeders as well, and then nobody would be left).  You must not have been on 
Usenet for very long, for simply the record clearly proves me correct.
 
> Besides, calling someone a troll means to pigeon-hole them.  IMO that
> seldom fits exactly--there are more colors than just black and white.

IIRC, *I* have not called anyone a troll or other names in this newsgroup, 
ever.  As for “IMO”, you should insert an “H” in the right place, and read 
above.
 
>> So thanks, but no, thanks.  This newsgroup is much more readable for me
>> without his postings.  Should he post anything valuable, which I consider
>> highly unlikely at this point, I will be reading it in quotations.
> 
> You may have read
> <news:5213b351$0$6566$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net>.  Jerry was
> the only one who was willing to help there--and he was able to do so.

So he knows a bit of *C* and *guessed* correctly.  I suspected as much.

Anyhow, I was not going to start a discussion about Jerry.  I just did not 
want to let your statement go without correction.


PointedEars
-- 
Sometimes, what you learn is wrong. If those wrong ideas are close to the 
root of the knowledge tree you build on a particular subject, pruning the 
bad branches can sometimes cause the whole tree to collapse.
  -- Mike Duffy in cljs, <news:Xns9FB6521286DB8invalidcom@94.75.214.39>

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calling a value into another php script... nag <visitnag@gmail.com> - 2013-08-28 18:35 -0700
  Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-28 22:56 -0400
    Re: calling a value into another php script... nag <visitnag@gmail.com> - 2013-08-29 06:06 -0700
      Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-29 09:31 -0400
      Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-29 17:35 +0200
  Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-29 11:40 +0200
  Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-08-29 20:18 -0400
    Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-08-30 02:57 +0200
      Re: calling a value into another php script... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-08-30 02:54 +0100
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-08-30 17:15 -0400
      Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-30 11:57 +0200
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 08:49 -0400
          Re: calling a value into another php script... Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-08-30 14:30 +0000
            Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 11:42 -0400
              Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-08-31 00:19 +0200
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:33 -0400
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:57 -0400
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-01 20:23 +0200
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-01 15:09 -0400
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-08-31 01:28 +0000
                Re: calling a value into another php script... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-08-31 03:55 +0100
                Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 23:02 -0400
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-08-31 00:10 +0200
          Re: calling a value into another php script... Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-08-31 01:06 +0200
            Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:39 -0400
            Re: calling a value into another php script... Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2013-09-01 20:10 +0200
              Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-09-01 15:19 -0400
            Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-09-02 15:13 -0400
          Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:37 -0400
    Re: calling a value into another php script... The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2013-08-30 02:50 +0100
      Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-29 22:18 -0400
      Re: calling a value into another php script... Twayne <nobody@spamcop.net> - 2013-08-30 17:24 -0400
        Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-30 20:41 -0400
    Re: calling a value into another php script... Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2013-08-29 21:50 -0400
  Re: calling a value into another php script... Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2013-08-31 07:00 -0400

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