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  I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 09:39 -0700
    Re: I need help with the following code. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-18 18:07 +0100
    Re: I need help with the following code. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-07-18 19:14 +0200
      Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 10:28 -0700
        Re: I need help with the following code. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-07-18 19:51 +0200
          Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 11:24 -0700
            Re: I need help with the following code. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-18 20:06 +0100
              Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:27 -0700
                Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 12:47 -0700
                Re: I need help with the following code. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-07-18 21:30 +0100
                  Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 14:41 -0700
                    Re: I need help with the following code. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-07-18 23:28 +0100
                      Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 16:54 -0700
                        Re: I need help with the following code. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-07-19 01:57 +0100
                          Re: I need help with the following code. Mike Duffy <md_002@videotron.ca> - 2014-07-18 21:29 -0400
                            Re: I need help with the following code. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-07-19 03:00 +0100
                            Re: I need help with the following code. Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-21 10:23 -0700
                        Re: I need help with the following code. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-19 09:11 +0100
                Re: I need help with the following code. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-18 21:33 +0100
            Re: I need help with the following code. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-07-18 22:06 +0200
    Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 10:23 -0700
      Re: I need help with the following code. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-18 18:27 +0100
    Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-18 22:04 +0200
      Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-18 22:53 +0200
        Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-18 22:56 +0200
        Re: I need help with the following code. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-18 22:08 +0100
          Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-18 23:37 +0200
            Re: I need help with the following code. John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2014-07-20 10:50 +0100
              Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-20 20:56 +0200
                Re: I need help with the following code. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-20 22:40 +0100
                  Re: I need help with the following code. "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2014-07-21 07:41 +0200
                Re: I need help with the following code. Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-07-21 11:49 -0700
                  Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-22 13:58 +0200
                    Re: I need help with the following code. Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2014-07-22 07:45 -0700
                      Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-22 21:54 +0200
        Re: I need help with the following code. Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 14:42 -0700
          Re: I need help with the following code. danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> - 2014-07-19 00:00 +0200
            Re: I need help with the following code. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2014-07-18 23:42 +0100
    Re: I need help with the following code. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2014-07-18 21:12 +0000

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#25441

On Friday, July 18, 2014 9:39:57 AM UTC-7, Iria Vasquez-Paez wrote:
> This is the code as it starts on Code Academy.com. I'd greatly appreciate help on this. 
> 
> 
> 
> var bool = true;
> 
> 
> 
> while(bool === true){
> 
>     console.log("Less is more!");
> 
>     bool = false;
> 
> }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You have to remove the equals signs. 
> 
> 
> 
> var bool = true;
> 
> 
> 
> while(bool = true){
> 
>     console.log("Less is more!");
> 
>     bool = false;
> 
> }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is my solution that does't pass the editor. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> var bool = true;
> 
> while(bool) {
> 
> console.log ("Less is more!";
> 
> bool = false;
> 
> }
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This solution is a problem with syntax. Other solutions cause my browser to crash. I need to solve this headache in order to move on. I have gone ahead but I am not progressing with this problem. I really need a solution. The above solution is a syntax problem. Thanks. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Iria



It should read 

var bool = true; 
while(bool) { 
console.log ("Less is more!"); 
bool = false; 
} 

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#25442

In article <d5a1defa-92c0-4519-b30c-1d9a9a639c94@googlegroups.com>,
Iria Vasquez-Paez <iriavp@gmail.com> wrote:

> It should read 
> 
> var bool = true; 
> while(bool) { 
> console.log ("Less is more!"); 
> bool = false; 
> } 

Yes? So what? My questions still stand.

-- 
"Once you adopt the unix paradigm, the variants cease to be a problem - you
bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#25452

Il 18/07/2014 18:39, Iria Vasquez-Paez ha scritto:
> This is the code as it starts on Code Academy.com. I'd greatly appreciate help on this.
>
> var bool = true;
>
> while(bool === true){
>      console.log("Less is more!");
>      bool = false;
> }
>
>
> You have to remove the equals signs.
>
> var bool = true;
>
> while(bool = true){
>      console.log("Less is more!");
>      bool = false;
> }
>
>
> This is my solution that does't pass the editor.
>
>
> var bool = true;
> while(bool) {
> console.log ("Less is more!";
> bool = false;
> }
>
>
> This solution is a problem with syntax. Other solutions cause my browser to crash. I need to solve this headache in order to move on. I have gone ahead but I am not progressing with this problem. I really need a solution. The above solution is a syntax problem. Thanks.
>
>
> Iria
>
Maybe I'm wrong, but this is what I have understood from your posts.
1) You want to learn to code in "javascript"
2) You have found this site "Code Academy"
3) They offer a kind of interactive course, and through their site you 
have some kind of textbox in which you type your code, then you press a 
button "Try it!" or "Execute!" and you can see the results.

If this is the case maybe their site is buggy or something else. Manage 
to create a minimal development environment.
1) use Notepad or something else and create a html page. The structure is:
<html>
<head>
<script>
... your code goes here, f.e:
console.log("hello, world")
</script>
</head>
<body>
...html goes here, f.e.
<p>My test page!</p>
</body>
</html>

Save to test.html and open it with Chrome (or whatever browser you 
want). (file/open)

This NG is aimed at users a bit more experienced, however. Probably 
isn't the right place to begin with.
HTH
Dan

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#25458

Il 18/07/2014 22:35, Stefan Ram ha scritto:
> danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> writes:
>> This NG is aimed at users a bit more experienced
>
>        CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript
>
>        The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to
>        discussion on all aspects of JavaScript, as it relates
>        to HTML, Java, Perl, the World Wide Web in general, and
>        other related languages. The scope of discussion will
>        specifically exclude matters which are *solely* related
>        to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should
>        be discussed in comp.lang.java.
>
>    (The preceding text defines the Charter for the proposed
>    group, and as the vote was successful, the charter as stated
>    above is in force.)
>
>    Nothing there about »users a bit more experienced«.
>
>    The best contact for technical questions regarding how to
>    use a very specific web site might be the support personnel
>    of this website, however.
>
This site is well-known for being a discouraging experience for 
newcomers darig to pose a simple question.
Are you joking? Or are we discussing of what it should be?
Dan

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#25459

Il 18/07/2014 22:53, danca ha scritto:
> Il 18/07/2014 22:35, Stefan Ram ha scritto:
>> danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> writes:
>>> This NG is aimed at users a bit more experienced
>>
>>        CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript
>>
>>        The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to
>>        discussion on all aspects of JavaScript, as it relates
>>        to HTML, Java, Perl, the World Wide Web in general, and
>>        other related languages. The scope of discussion will
>>        specifically exclude matters which are *solely* related
>>        to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should
>>        be discussed in comp.lang.java.
>>
>>    (The preceding text defines the Charter for the proposed
>>    group, and as the vote was successful, the charter as stated
>>    above is in force.)
>>
>>    Nothing there about »users a bit more experienced«.
>>
>>    The best contact for technical questions regarding how to
>>    use a very specific web site might be the support personnel
>>    of this website, however.
>>
> This site is well-known for being a discouraging experience for
> newcomers darig to pose a simple question.
> Are you joking? Or are we discussing of what it should be?
> Dan
this Newsgroup, not site, of course, oops.
Dan

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#25460

In article <lqc1fi$gk5$1@dont-email.me>, danca
<cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> wrote:

> Il 18/07/2014 22:35, Stefan Ram ha scritto:
> > danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> writes:
> >> This NG is aimed at users a bit more experienced
> >
> >        CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript
> >
> >        The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to
> >        discussion on all aspects of JavaScript, as it relates
> >        to HTML, Java, Perl, the World Wide Web in general, and
> >        other related languages. The scope of discussion will
> >        specifically exclude matters which are *solely* related
> >        to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should
> >        be discussed in comp.lang.java.
> >
> >    (The preceding text defines the Charter for the proposed
> >    group, and as the vote was successful, the charter as stated
> >    above is in force.)
> >
> >    Nothing there about »users a bit more experienced«.
> >
> >    The best contact for technical questions regarding how to
> >    use a very specific web site might be the support personnel
> >    of this website, however.

> This site is well-known for being a discouraging experience for 
> newcomers daring to pose a simple question.

Quite true - I've had that experience in the perl ng. However:

What helps
==========

Giving *complete* details of what has been tried, what is wanted, and
what has been used to try to achieve the goal. Including saying which
OS, which browser(s), and which editor(s) have been used. And what
results have been observed. Giving, in other words, a proper idea of
the context.

Using a proper newsreader and avoiding google groups at all costs also
helps.

What doesn't help
=================

Childish comments from PointyHead about there being "no javascript" and
whinges about attribution lines.

-- 
Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on
a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

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#25462

Il 18/07/2014 23:08, Tim Streater ha scritto:
> In article <lqc1fi$gk5$1@dont-email.me>, danca
> <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> wrote:
>
>> Il 18/07/2014 22:35, Stefan Ram ha scritto:
>> > danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> writes:
>> >> This NG is aimed at users a bit more experienced
>> >
>> >        CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript
>> >
>> >        The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to
>> >        discussion on all aspects of JavaScript, as it relates
>> >        to HTML, Java, Perl, the World Wide Web in general, and
>> >        other related languages. The scope of discussion will
>> >        specifically exclude matters which are *solely* related
>> >        to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should
>> >        be discussed in comp.lang.java.
>> >
>> >    (The preceding text defines the Charter for the proposed
>> >    group, and as the vote was successful, the charter as stated
>> >    above is in force.)
>> >
>> >    Nothing there about »users a bit more experienced«.
>> >
>> >    The best contact for technical questions regarding how to
>> >    use a very specific web site might be the support personnel
>> >    of this website, however.
>
>> This site is well-known for being a discouraging experience for
>> newcomers daring to pose a simple question.
>
> Quite true - I've had that experience in the perl ng. However:
>
> What helps
> ==========
>
> Giving *complete* details of what has been tried, what is wanted, and
> what has been used to try to achieve the goal. Including saying which
> OS, which browser(s), and which editor(s) have been used. And what
> results have been observed. Giving, in other words, a proper idea of
> the context.
>
> Using a proper newsreader and avoiding google groups at all costs also
> helps.
>
> What doesn't help
> =================
>
> Childish comments from PointyHead about there being "no javascript" and
> whinges about attribution lines.
>
I agree completely with you, and to go further, one should read the 
rules, policy and FAQs before any attempt to pose a question in a NG.

BUT in the real world, people tends to think that if there is a NG 
dedicated to a topic, just to ask a simple question related (in a 
general sense) to that topic is OK.

Then here they discover that answers are completely different from the 
expected ones, with people asking what are you trying to do, why you 
pose the question, how do you think that the question is correct, why 
are you using Google, what kind of OS are you using, or criticism about 
the way you put the terms of the question, the wording, the meaning, the 
insides, the implications, the signature, the...

OK, there are no free lunches,  people here does it for free and this is 
not a help desk etc. Oh yes and do your homework on your own. We want 
smart questions, we (you) are experts, we hate jquery and we only 
consider questions regarding pure ECMAscript implementations, we discuss 
endlessly if it can be considered correct to say Javascript or 
JavaScript or javascript etc. etc.

Sometimes a newbie arrives, is rapidly crucifixed and disappears.

What does not help:
-------------------
to seem to be collaborative but to joke in fact with newbies, pretending 
not to understand a simple question, nitpicking, taking words in 
strictly literal sense, asking to be precise to someone that can't, and 
insulting the intelligence that should allow us to go further the 
imprecise wording of a non-techie and try to understand what he is 
trying to do.
Only my opinion, of course, anyway.
Dan

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#25482

On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:37:34 +0200, danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it>
wrote:

  <snip>
> asking to be precise to someone that can't
  <snip>

It's such a useful skill that people should be urged to practice it.

And it's useful everywhere, not just in javascript or programming. It
can save a lot of time and a lot of money.

  John

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#25485

Il 20/07/2014 11:50, John Harris ha scritto:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 23:37:34 +0200, danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it>
> wrote:
>
>    <snip>
>> asking to be precise to someone that can't
>    <snip>
>
> It's such a useful skill that people should be urged to practice it.
>
> And it's useful everywhere, not just in javascript or programming. It
> can save a lot of time and a lot of money.
>
>    John
>
Yes, you are right and how can one not agree with you?

I was trying to say that, f.e, if I go to a psychologist, it is very 
likely I would put my problems in a totally imprecise manner, i mean not 
using the right words to describe my symptoms/problems, from the 
scientific point of view of Psychology: it is the psycho that goes 
through my confused wording and grasps what I probably am trying to 
explain. Should I be able to put the question in the right way, chances 
are that I wouldn't need a Psycho at all. :-)
Dan

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#25486

In article <lqh3cg$k0l$1@dont-email.me>, danca
<cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> wrote:

> Il 20/07/2014 11:50, John Harris ha scritto:

> > And it's useful everywhere, not just in javascript or programming. It
> > can save a lot of time and a lot of money.

> Yes, you are right and how can one not agree with you?
> 
> I was trying to say that, f.e, if I go to a psychologist, it is very 
> likely I would put my problems in a totally imprecise manner, i mean not 
> using the right words to describe my symptoms/problems, from the 
> scientific point of view of Psychology: it is the psycho that goes 
> through my confused wording and grasps what I probably am trying to 
> explain. Should I be able to put the question in the right way, chances 
> are that I wouldn't need a Psycho at all. :-)

That is why learning to express yourself is so important. I've
*several* times had the experience that I have a problem, and want to
post here about it. The act of trying to formulate a post with
*clarity* has often led me to a solution, because I've been forced to
*think* about the issue.

That is also why being slightly tough on people whose posts are vague
is actually good for them.

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#25494

Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote on 20 jul 2014 in 
comp.lang.javascript:

> That is also why being slightly tough on people whose posts are vague
> is actually good for them.

Good for you.

-- 
Evertjan.
The Netherlands.
(Please change the x'es to dots in my emailaddress)

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#25499

danca wrote:
> John Harris ha scritto:
>> danca wrote:

>>> asking to be precise to someone that can't
>>    <snip>
>>
>> It's such a useful skill that people should be urged to practice it.
>> 
>> And it's useful everywhere, not just in javascript or programming. It
>> can save a lot of time and a lot of money.
> 
> Yes, you are right and how can one not agree with you?
> 
> I was trying to say that, f.e, if I go to a psychologist, it is very 
> likely I would put my problems in a totally imprecise manner, i mean not 
> using the right words to describe my symptoms/problems, from the 
> scientific point of view of Psychology: it is the psycho that goes 
> through my confused wording and grasps what I probably am trying to 
> explain. Should I be able to put the question in the right way, chances 
> are that I wouldn't need a Psycho at all. :-)

Now imagine stumbling into a conference of psychologists during the expert
panel's discussion on developmental psychopathology, and then babbling
about how your mother never loved you enough.  Perhaps someone might
take pity and try to help you, but it's likely not the right forum, and 
these academics are not necessarily the right ones to help you.  You're 
taking up valuable time that they were planning on spending on something
else.  Even if they pay attention to your case, you might find that what
they focus on about you is not exactly what you'd like them to help you
with.

That's not what comp.lang.javascript is like.  But you should keep that
in mind as an alternate metaphor, because it's as close to the truth as
is a professional psychologist.

This is not a help group.  There are many people here who enjoy helping
out beginners, but not many who appreciate having that help taken for
granted or having that help expected of them.

This is a free-flowing discussion group.  The one who started the
discussion has little authority about where the continuing discussion
leads.

This is a group that has over many years developed its own quirks, its 
own cast of oddball characters, its own style of response.   In short, 
it is a community.  Someone new here does have to honor that and not 
simply insist that the community must bend to her or his preferences.

I happen to fall more on the be-nice-to-newbies end of the spectrum, but
I still appreciate questions that show research and offer me something of
technical interest.  I prefer questions that show that the poster has
actually read "How To Ask Qustions  The Right Way" [1]

  -- Scott

[1]: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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#25511

Il 21/07/2014 20:49, Scott Sauyet ha scritto:
> danca wrote:
>>
>> I was trying to say that, f.e, if I go to a psychologist, it is very
>> likely I would put my problems in a totally imprecise manner, i mean not
>> using the right words to describe my symptoms/problems, from the
>> scientific point of view of Psychology: it is the psycho that goes
>> through my confused wording and grasps what I probably am trying to
>> explain. Should I be able to put the question in the right way, chances
>> are that I wouldn't need a Psycho at all. :-)
>
> Now imagine stumbling into a conference of psychologists during the expert
> panel's discussion on developmental psychopathology, and then babbling
> about how your mother never loved you enough.  Perhaps someone might
> take pity and try to help you, but it's likely not the right forum, and
> these academics are not necessarily the right ones to help you.  You're
> taking up valuable time that they were planning on spending on something
> else.  Even if they pay attention to your case, you might find that what
> they focus on about you is not exactly what you'd like them to help you
> with.

Well, I tried to be of help and ended my post writing something like 
"this is a NG where people is a bit experienced, maybe it's not the 
right place for such elementary questions" but I have been lashed for 
that, and I have been told that nowhere in the group's policy is stated 
that only experts can participate.. etc.
>
> That's not what comp.lang.javascript is like.  But you should keep that
> in mind as an alternate metaphor, because it's as close to the truth as
> is a professional psychologist.

Yes, but what about the very same panel calling himself simply 
"Psychology Discussions", then someone stumbles in, asks some ridiculous 
questions and people begins to make a fool of him, asking candidly 
things like "please, to be clearer, are you referring to the Wosgan 
theory of stereotypes or the commonly accepted paradigm of the intrinsic 
neuronal redundance?" [1]

>
> This is not a help group.  There are many people here who enjoy helping
> out beginners, but not many who appreciate having that help taken for
> granted or having that help expected of them.

Maybe simply ignoring them seems too easy? People can learn from words, 
and from silence too.

>
> This is a free-flowing discussion group.  The one who started the
> discussion has little authority about where the continuing discussion
> leads.
>
> This is a group that has over many years developed its own quirks, its
> own cast of oddball characters, its own style of response.   In short,
> it is a community.  Someone new here does have to honor that and not
> simply insist that the community must bend to her or his preferences.
>
> I happen to fall more on the be-nice-to-newbies end of the spectrum, but

Well, I know, as a long-time lurker, your attitude of courtesy and 
support when you materialize in the NG. It is somewhat surprising to me 
that you devote one of your unfortunately rare apparitions to play the 
devil's advocate! :-)

> I still appreciate questions that show research and offer me something of
> technical interest.  I prefer questions that show that the poster has
> actually read "How To Ask Qustions  The Right Way" [1]

No questions on it. Nevertheless, what about people that does not limit 
to ignore irrelevant questions, but feels obligate to torture the 
newcomer/amateur/unexperienced/ignorant/confused?
We have a word for it in Italy [2], and it is generally considered bad 
habit...

Dan

[1] Obviously I have only put toghether some words.. don't ask me who 
Wosgan is, nor anything about neuronal redundance!
[2] "Nonnismo" (from nonno=grandfather)

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#25513

danca wrote:
> Scott Sauyet ha scritto:

>> That's not what comp.lang.javascript is like.  But you should keep that
>> in mind as an alternate metaphor, because it's as close to the truth as
>> is a professional psychologist.
> 
> Yes, but what about the very same panel calling himself simply 
> "Psychology Discussions", then someone stumbles in, asks some ridiculous 
> questions and people begins to make a fool of him, asking candidly 
> things like "please, to be clearer, are you referring to the Wosgan 
> theory of stereotypes or the commonly accepted paradigm of the intrinsic 
> neuronal redundance?" [1]

You see, there you go again.  We're trying to discuss developmental
psychopathology and you have to bring up Wosgan again!  Can't you leave
it alone?  No one needs another beginner's level rant on neuronal
redundance; anyone who's studied even the beginnings of the theory of
stereotypes knows that stuff cold!  :-)


>> This is not a help group.  There are many people here who enjoy helping
>> out beginners, but not many who appreciate having that help taken for
>> granted or having that help expected of them.
> 
> Maybe simply ignoring them seems too easy? People can learn from words, 
> and from silence too.








:-)

>> I happen to fall more on the be-nice-to-newbies end of the spectrum, but

> Well, I know, as a long-time lurker, your attitude of courtesy and 
> support when you materialize in the NG. It is somewhat surprising to me 
> that you devote one of your unfortunately rare apparitions to play the 
> devil's advocate! :-)

Thanks for the kind words.  I spend far too little time here, planning on one day writing my own USENET-for-the-web interface that won't get blocked
by the kinds of companies where I tend to do my work.  But for the moment
I'm stuck on the execrable Google Groups interface, which has almost chased me off altogether.

I'm not really playing the devil's advocate.  I didn't even read the whole thread; for some reason GG was being odd about that too.  I just saw the post to which I responded.  And I did try to be humorous about it.  :-)  I really do like to respond to interesting content and to help out when I can, but I expect people to come in and pay attention to the mores of the group.



>> I still appreciate questions that show research and offer me something of
>> technical interest.  I prefer questions that show that the poster has
>> actually read "How To Ask Qustions  The Right Way"
> 
> No questions on it. Nevertheless, what about people that does not limit 
> to ignore irrelevant questions, but feels obligate to torture the 
> newcomer/amateur/unexperienced/ignorant/confused?

I don't understand it.  Unfortunately some of our worst offenders also have some of really good technical chops.  Of course some of them also insist that there is no Psychology, so it's hard to know what they want to debate in their conferences...  :-)


> We have a word for it in Italy [2], and it is generally considered bad 
> habit...
> 
> [2] "Nonnismo" (from nonno=grandfather)

I wish English had an equivalent word.  It certainly is an obnoxious habit.

Cheers,

  -- Scott

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#25531

Il 22/07/2014 16:45, Scott Sauyet ha scritto:

>
> You see, there you go again.
...

:-D

(I was never so amused on Usenet.. really.)
And for the rest...




Dan

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#25464

On Friday, July 18, 2014 1:53:05 PM UTC-7, danca wrote:
> Il 18/07/2014 22:35, Stefan Ram ha scritto:
> 
> > danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> writes:
> 
> >> This NG is aimed at users a bit more experienced
> 
> >
> 
> >        CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript
> 
> >
> 
> >        The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to
> 
> >        discussion on all aspects of JavaScript, as it relates
> 
> >        to HTML, Java, Perl, the World Wide Web in general, and
> 
> >        other related languages. The scope of discussion will
> 
> >        specifically exclude matters which are *solely* related
> 
> >        to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should
> 
> >        be discussed in comp.lang.java.
> 
> >
> 
> >    (The preceding text defines the Charter for the proposed
> 
> >    group, and as the vote was successful, the charter as stated
> 
> >    above is in force.)
> 
> >
> 
> >    Nothing there about �users a bit more experienced�.
> 
> >
> 
> >    The best contact for technical questions regarding how to
> 
> >    use a very specific web site might be the support personnel
> 
> >    of this website, however.
> 
> >
> 
> This site is well-known for being a discouraging experience for 
> 
> newcomers darig to pose a simple question.
> 
> Are you joking? Or are we discussing of what it should be?
> 
> Dan

No joke. I have already posted in the forums. Heck I went to report a bug because I think this problem is one huge bug. I want it resolved. I have done everything to try to resolve it.

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#25465

Il 18/07/2014 23:42, Iria Vasquez-Paez ha scritto:
> On Friday, July 18, 2014 1:53:05 PM UTC-7, danca wrote:
>> Il 18/07/2014 22:35, Stefan Ram ha scritto:
>>
>>> danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> writes:
>>
>>>> This NG is aimed at users a bit more experienced
>>
>>>
>>
>>>         CHARTER: comp.lang.javascript
>>
>>>
>>
>>>         The proposed comp.lang.javascript will be open to
>>
>>>         discussion on all aspects of JavaScript, as it relates
>>
>>>         to HTML, Java, Perl, the World Wide Web in general, and
>>
>>>         other related languages. The scope of discussion will
>>
>>>         specifically exclude matters which are *solely* related
>>
>>>         to Sun Microsystems, Inc.'s Java language, which should
>>
>>>         be discussed in comp.lang.java.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>     (The preceding text defines the Charter for the proposed
>>
>>>     group, and as the vote was successful, the charter as stated
>>
>>>     above is in force.)
>>
>>>
>>
>>>     Nothing there about �users a bit more experienced�.
>>
>>>
>>
>>>     The best contact for technical questions regarding how to
>>
>>>     use a very specific web site might be the support personnel
>>
>>>     of this website, however.
>>
>>>
>>
>> This site is well-known for being a discouraging experience for
>>
>> newcomers darig to pose a simple question.
>>
>> Are you joking? Or are we discussing of what it should be?
>>
>> Dan
>
> No joke. I have already posted in the forums. Heck I went to report a bug because I think this problem is one huge bug. I want it resolved. I have done everything to try to resolve it.
>

Iria, I was answering Tim Streater and wrote "site" but I meant 
"Newsgroup" so maybe there is a misundertanding.

Can you explain a bit what is exactly the "editor" you use, or in other 
words, how you execute your scripts?
Dan

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#25468

danca <cyberdanny@tiscalinet.it> writes:

> Il 18/07/2014 23:42, Iria Vasquez-Paez ha scritto:
<snip>
>> No joke. I have already posted in the forums. Heck I went to report
>> a bug because I think this problem is one huge bug. I want it
>> resolved. I have done everything to try to resolve it.

Yes, it can be very frustrating but keeping clam and testing logically is
about the best way to find out what's going on.  That means avoiding
hyperbole.  You have not done "everything to try to resolve it" by any
stretch of the imagination!  Stick with the facts!

It's a depressing truth that the vast majority of bugs found by
beginners are not bugs but some kind of misunderstanding.  I reported
more bug in my first few years than in the last few decades, and I don't
think software is getting any less buggy.  Of course, this could be the
one, so no one should dismiss your bug report, but if it like your
description of the problem here, it's unlikely that anyone will be able
to help much -- there's just not enough data.

> Iria, I was answering Tim Streater and wrote "site" but I meant
> "Newsgroup" so maybe there is a misundertanding.
>
> Can you explain a bit what is exactly the "editor" you use, or in
> other words, how you execute your scripts?

I would bet big money that the OP is talking about the codeacademy.com
interface.  You get a screen where you type code and hit a button to have
it run and the output tested.

(I am not unaware of the danger that this is a case of that other great
truth: that the vast majority of guesses made about what posters are
doing are wrong!)

-- 
Ben.

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#25461

On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 09:39:57 -0700, Iria Vasquez-Paez wrote:


> This is my solution that does't pass the editor.

> var bool = true;
> while(bool) {
> console.log ("Less is more!"; // missing ')' before ';'
> bool = false;
> }

See the comment that I have added to the above code.

-- 
Denis McMahon, denismfmcmahon@gmail.com

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