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  Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-25 13:46 -0700
    Re: Perhaps OT ? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2012-01-25 16:19 -0800
      Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-25 18:53 -0700
        Re: Perhaps OT ? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2012-01-25 19:09 -0800
          Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-26 08:39 -0700
            Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-27 14:58 -0700
              Re: Perhaps OT ? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-01-28 16:38 +1100
                Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-28 08:38 -0700
                Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-28 16:28 -0700
                  Re: Perhaps OT ? Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-01-29 11:27 +1100
                    Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-29 09:26 -0700
    Re: Perhaps OT ? Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-01-25 15:43 -0800
      Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-26 14:25 -0700
        Re: Perhaps OT ? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-01-26 21:50 +0000
          Re: Perhaps OT ? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2012-01-26 16:05 -0800
            Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-27 08:21 -0700
              Re: Perhaps OT ? Dr J R Stockton <reply1204@merlyn.demon.co.uk> - 2012-01-28 19:09 +0000
                Re: Perhaps OT ? "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-01-29 09:39 -0700

#10581 — Perhaps OT ?

Hi:

    I have a (series of 4) 2-char input field(s) (vertically oriented in a 
crowded part of my screen) in which the user will input a U.S. State 
Abbreviation (e.g., AZ for Arizona), or a Canadian province (e.g., AB for 
Alberta), OR,  click a key to return this correct abbreviation.

    I have, of course, a concordance file with all the correct names and 
region abbreviations.

But, my problem:

    If my user knows that the input U.S. State name should be the correct 
abbreviation for (say) Minnesota, but does not know the abbreviation itself 
(i.e., MN), how can I  show the user a drop-down list of States & Provinces, 
from which the return value will always be the proper abbreviation, and 
*not* the full State name ?

    I don't know how to configure the <Select   > tag for this operation. My 
head is aching here :(

Thanks for a kick in the pants on this one !

-- 
Mel Smith

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#10586

On Jan 25, 2:46 pm, "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syn...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi:
>
>     I have a (series of 4) 2-char input field(s) (vertically oriented in a
> crowded part of my screen) in which the user will input a U.S. State
> Abbreviation (e.g., AZ for Arizona), or a Canadian province (e.g., AB for
> Alberta), OR,  click a key to return this correct abbreviation.

So what do the other mentioned fields do? Are they relevant at all?

what do you mean by "click a key to return this correct abbreviation."

>     I have, of course, a concordance file with all the correct names and
> region abbreviations.

Why use a 2 character field at all then? A select box seems
appropriate

> But, my problem:
>
>     If my user knows that the input U.S. State name should be the correct
> abbreviation for (say) Minnesota, but does not know the abbreviation itself
> (i.e., MN), how can I  show the user a drop-down list of States & Provinces,
> from which the return value will always be the proper abbreviation, and
> *not* the full State name ?

If you have a dropdown list, why can't they just type the letter "M"
and see the corresponding values? I quite confident that all major
browsers since the late 1990's have this feature.

>     I don't know how to configure the <Select   > tag for this operation. My
> head is aching here :(

Since I am American, I am a bit skeptical that other countries exist.
As a result you'll have to help me with my ignorance/laziness on this
fact:
between States and Provinces, are the abbreviations unique? If so,
just simply populate the element as such:

<select ...>
    <option value="AB">Alabama</select>
    ...
</select>

If not, you'll need a way to determine Country before offering the
ability to choose from the list.

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#10589

Michael said:

> crowded part of my screen) in which the user will input a U.S. State
> Abbreviation (e.g., AZ for Arizona), or a Canadian province (e.g., AB for
> Alberta), OR, click a key to return this correct abbreviation.

So what do the other mentioned fields do? Are they relevant at all?

what do you mean by "click a key to return this correct abbreviation."

Hi Michael:

    I (currently) have a 2-char input text field where the user will enter a 
U.S State Abbreviation or Canadian Province 2-char abbreviation.  There are 
four of these fields stacked vertically in a <td> column.  The other fields 
in neighboring columns are all Name/Street/Zip-PostCode/Contact info 
related on each of the four lines of the table.

    The problem is that the user will 'know' the name of the state (usually) 
(from a hand-written form ), but *may not* know the region *abbreviation* or 
may mis-spell it.

    So, I would like to change this 2-char <input type="text"> field to a 
<select> field where the user can either (confidently) type in the 2-char 
fields, or 'click' on something to show all the various states and 
provinces, and them let her 'select' one.  Then, I want to return *only* the 
correct 2-char abbreviation.

> I have, of course, a concordance file with all the correct names and
> region abbreviations.

Why use a 2 character field at all then? A select box seems
appropriate

    Because my Database has a 2-char region field,  The line is already very 
crowded (see below), and I want a 2-char state/province abbreviation

> But, my problem:
>
> If my user knows that the input U.S. State name should be the correct
> abbreviation for (say) Minnesota, but does not know the abbreviation 
> itself
> (i.e., MN), how can I show the user a drop-down list of States & 
> Provinces,
> from which the return value will always be the proper abbreviation, and
> *not* the full State name ?

If you have a dropdown list, why can't they just type the letter "M"
and see the corresponding values? I quite confident that all major
browsers since the late 1990's have this feature.

    She may not know *what* char to type or may make a mistake.  If she is 
confused, I want a clickable 2-char dropdown field that will show for 
example:

        AB - Alberta
        AL - Alabama
        MN - Minnesota
        etc,
        etc,

    Then when she 'clicks on the 'AL - Alabame' option, *only*  AL is 
returned.

> I don't know how to configure the <Select > tag for this operation. My
> head is aching here :(

>>Since I am American, I am a bit skeptical that other countries exist.
>>As a result you'll have to help me with my ignorance/laziness on this
>>fact:
>>between States and Provinces, are the abbreviations unique? If so,
j>>ust simply populate the element as such:


    Yes, the Canadian provinces *are* unique, and my concordance table has 
both states and provinces, with the provinces at the bottom of the <select> 
option list along with a disabled 'Canada' line as a separator between the 
states and the provinces!


<select ...>
    <option value="AB">Alabama</select>
    ...
</select>

    But, then *Alabama* is returned NOT my required 'AL'   (not AB which is 
Alberta, in Canada)

So, in essence, I want my user to see in the dropdown list 'AL - Alabama', 
then clicking on it I want returned 'AL'

Thanks for your response !

-Mel Smith
 

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#10590

On Jan 25, 7:53 pm, "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syn...@aol.com> wrote:

> So, in essence, I want my user to see in the dropdown list 'AL - Alabama',
> then clicking on it I want returned 'AL'


So something like this?

<https://gist.github.com/1680706>

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#10605

Michael said:

> So, in essence, I want my user to see in the dropdown list 'AL - Alabama',
> then clicking on it I want returned 'AL'


So something like this?

<https://gist.github.com/1680706>

Michael:

 I'll try that today- I think it will do the trick !

 So, I've downloaded it, and will digest thoroughly during tghe day, and fit 
it in to my page.

Thank you !

-Mel Smith
Mesa, AZ- Arizona :))

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#10656

Hi:

    I transferred my problem page to one of my older unused web sites, and 
massaged the page to hide real names & addresses, and stop submission, and 
to show my crowded Region fields (Rgn) near the top right of this sole page.

    You may wish to look and comment. I'll be working on it again tomorrow.

    So, if you wish, please visit:   www.whosaway.com  and enter the 
password: 'LOTEDIT'  to see the problem page.

Thanks,

-Mel Smith

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#10662

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:58:34 -0700, in comp.lang.javascript "Mel
Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com>
<9ogl0eF7b7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>| Hi:
>| 
>|     I transferred my problem page to one of my older unused web sites, and 
>| massaged the page to hide real names & addresses, and stop submission, and 
>| to show my crowded Region fields (Rgn) near the top right of this sole page.
>| 
>|     You may wish to look and comment. I'll be working on it again tomorrow.
>| 
>|     So, if you wish, please visit:   www.whosaway.com  and enter the 
>| password: 'LOTEDIT'  to see the problem page.
>| 
>| Thanks,
>| 
>| -Mel Smith
>| 

You're probably wanting something like:
http://jeffnorth.com/newsgroup/select_items.html

The boxs 1-6 show the possible configurations for the select control.
The textboxs with the click hyperlink is probably what you are looking
for.

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#10666

Jeff said:


> You're probably wanting something like:
> http://jeffnorth.com/newsgroup/select_items.html
>
> The boxs 1-6 show the possible configurations for the select control.
> The textboxs with the click hyperlink is probably what you are looking
> for.

Jeff:

    Thanks for the link, I'll check it out today.

-Mel

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#10691

Hi Jeff:

    Thanks for trying to help. I've got good ideas from your web site, and 
the example page.

    However, I'm not sophisticated enough to understand (completely) your 
page, or to strip out the code that I could use in my own unique situation. 
So, I'll plug on with your example and 'popups' in mind, and try to use as 
much of your code as I can.

    btw,  your example *does* work on Firefox and Chrome but not on my old 
IE 7. I *do* use IE7 on my dev machine, then do final tests on Chrome, 
Safari, and FF.

    Anyway, thanks for your help. I do see a path forward using popups for 
the State/Prov selection process

-Mel Smith

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#10696

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:28:55 -0700, in comp.lang.javascript "Mel
Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com>
<9ojelsF953U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>| Hi Jeff:
>| 
>|     Thanks for trying to help. I've got good ideas from your web site, and 
>| the example page.
>| 
>|     However, I'm not sophisticated enough to understand (completely) your 
>| page, or to strip out the code that I could use in my own unique situation. 
>| So, I'll plug on with your example and 'popups' in mind, and try to use as 
>| much of your code as I can.
>| 
>|     btw,  your example *does* work on Firefox and Chrome but not on my old 
>| IE 7. I *do* use IE7 on my dev machine, then do final tests on Chrome, 
>| Safari, and FF.

It's the 'obj.previousElementSibling.name' that is causing the problem
- only works in IE9.

I've put up a revised version with lots of comments so that you may
follow along. http://jeffnorth.com/newsgroup/select_items_2.html

I can't test this as I only have IE9 but it should work in all
browsers.

>|     Anyway, thanks for your help. I do see a path forward using popups for 
>| the State/Prov selection process
>| 
>| -Mel Smith
>| 

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#10737

Jeff said:

> It's the 'obj.previousElementSibling.name' that is causing the problem
> - only works in IE9.
>
> I've put up a revised version with lots of comments so that you may
> follow along. http://jeffnorth.com/newsgroup/select_items_2.html
>
> I can't test this as I only have IE9 but it should work in all
> browsers.

HI Jeff:

    I'll download and try again late today and tomorrow.

Thanks for helping !

-Mel Smith

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#10609

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:46:45 -0700, "Mel Smith"
<med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> wrote:

>Hi:
>
>    I have a (series of 4) 2-char input field(s) (vertically oriented in a 
>crowded part of my screen) in which the user will input a U.S. State 
>Abbreviation (e.g., AZ for Arizona), or a Canadian province (e.g., AB for 
>Alberta), OR,  click a key to return this correct abbreviation.
>
>    I have, of course, a concordance file with all the correct names and 
>region abbreviations.
>
>But, my problem:
>
>    If my user knows that the input U.S. State name should be the correct 
>abbreviation for (say) Minnesota, but does not know the abbreviation itself 
>(i.e., MN), how can I  show the user a drop-down list of States & Provinces, 
>from which the return value will always be the proper abbreviation, and 
>*not* the full State name ?
>
>    I don't know how to configure the <Select   > tag for this operation. My 
>head is aching here :(

From http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_option_value.asp :

<select>
  <option value="volvo">Volvo</option>
  <option value="saab">Saab</option>
  <option value="mercedes">Mercedes</option>
  <option value="audi">Audi</option>
</select> 

adjusted to

  <option value="WA">Washington</option>

>Thanks for a kick in the pants on this one !

     You are welcome.  My answer seems so obvious that I am concerned
that I missed the point.  Did I answer you correctly?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#10612

Gene said:

> From http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_option_value.asp :
>
> <select>
>  <option value="volvo">Volvo</option>
>  <option value="saab">Saab</option>
>  <option value="mercedes">Mercedes</option>
>  <option value="audi">Audi</option>
> </select>
>
> adjusted to
>
>  <option value="WA">Washington</option>
>
>>Thanks for a kick in the pants on this one !
>
>     You are welcome.  My answer seems so obvious that I am concerned
> that I missed the point.  Did I answer you correctly?


Hi Gene:

    Yes, I think you may have missed that I wanted the 2-char 'WA' returned, 
and not the word 'Washington' displayed on the screen after selection.  I 
have a 2-char field for 'region' and I'm crowded left and right and up and 
down for landscape room

    But,. Michael Haufe has given me some sample code to look at and chew 
on, and now my head is 'abuzz' with more new ideas about this 'crowding' 
problem

Thanks for the response !

-Mel

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#10613

In article <9odumfFp7iU1@mid.individual.net>,
 "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> wrote:

> Gene said:
> 
> > From http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_option_value.asp :
> >
> > <select>
> >  <option value="volvo">Volvo</option>
> >  <option value="saab">Saab</option>
> >  <option value="mercedes">Mercedes</option>
> >  <option value="audi">Audi</option>
> > </select>
> >
> > adjusted to
> >
> >  <option value="WA">Washington</option>
> >
> >>Thanks for a kick in the pants on this one !
> >
> >     You are welcome.  My answer seems so obvious that I am concerned
> > that I missed the point.  Did I answer you correctly?
> 
> 
> Hi Gene:
> 
>     Yes, I think you may have missed that I wanted the 2-char 'WA' returned, 
> and not the word 'Washington' displayed on the screen after selection.

"WA" *is* what you'd have returned.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#10617

On Jan 26, 3:50 pm, Tim Streater <timstrea...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> "WA" *is* what you'd have returned.

I believe what he wants is a size="2" combobox with options listed
with full names, which is emulated by what I posted (more or less
given styling differences per browser).

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#10645

I believe what he wants is a size="2" combobox with options listed
with full names, which is emulated by what I posted (more or less
given styling differences per browser).


    Yes, that is what I want.  But, since I need 4 of these <select> 
comboboxes underneath each other in a vertical column, I need to think of 
some efficient means of just using one set of select options (i.e., fifty 
U.S. States, and ten provinces.)

    Now, I'm beginning to think, that  I should leave the four 2-char <text> 
fields in place, and when focus is on any of them, I should have some way 
for the user to activate a 'click' event to bring up a single <select> 
element and its 60-odd options.   Hmmmm ...

    Again, Michael has given me a solution, but I'm still puzzling over how 
to make it more efficient and less obtrusive.

    btw, I think I might place my page on one of my web sites for you folks 
to look at to give you a better perspective.

    Going golfing now -- but thinking about this :)))

Thank y'all.

-Mel Smith
 

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#10694

In comp.lang.javascript message <9oftopFihaU1@mid.individual.net>, Fri,
27 Jan 2012 08:21:57, Mel Smith <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> posted:

>    Yes, that is what I want.  But, since I need 4 of these <select>
>comboboxes underneath each other in a vertical column, I need to think of
>some efficient means of just using one set of select options (i.e., fifty
>U.S. States, and ten provinces.)
>

If you can assume that the user has a working keyboard, why not put
in the column four <input type=text value="??" size=3 ...> (size 3 to
show the typist that there are only two letters), and, onChange or
otherwise, look up the entries in a 60-entry table.  If any fail to
match, then pop up a small window in which the selection may be made by
full name, perhaps by 61 radiobuttons, all initially clear - 50 States,
10 Provinces, and "none of those".

BTW, are you disenfranchising those of Puerto Rico, Guam, US Samoa,
etc.; and those of St Pierre & Miquelon etc.?

-- 
 (c) John Stockton, nr London, UK.    ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk     Turnpike v6.05.
 Website  <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> - w. FAQish topics, links, acronyms
 PAS EXE etc. : <http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/programs/> - see in 00index.htm
 Dates - miscdate.htm estrdate.htm js-dates.htm pas-time.htm critdate.htm etc.

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#10738

Dr J said:

> If you can assume that the user has a working keyboard, why not put
> in the column four <input type=text value="??" size=3 ...> (size 3 to
> show the typist that there are only two letters), and, onChange or
> otherwise, look up the entries in a 60-entry table.  If any fail to
> match, then pop up a small window in which the selection may be made by
> full name, perhaps by 61 radiobuttons, all initially clear - 50 States,
> 10 Provinces, and "none of those".
>

    Yes, those fields are already there in that restricted horizontal space, 
and I would like to continue to use them with an added 
'verification/selection' process.

    Your thoughts/suggestions and those examples of Jeff North will help me 
to resolve this issue (and I hope without getting bogged down too deeply)

    Have you visited the site and looked at the current work. I'd hate to 
change the whole thing, but would like to add a bit of help.


> BTW, are you disenfranchising those of Puerto Rico, Guam, US Samoa,
> etc.; and those of St Pierre & Miquelon etc.?


The last I heard was the St. Pierre and Miquelon were a part of France,  and 
our Senior Park is used only by 'freezing' Canadians and Americans, and 
those hardy permanent residents who 'fry' here at 115 degrees F during the 
summer.

Thanks for the suggestions !

-Mel

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