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Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN

From Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN
Organization Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs
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Date 2013-03-10 12:44 +0100
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John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> writes:

> In message <m2sj44ruji.fsf@nntp.bednarz.nl>, Eric Bednarz wrote:

>>John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> writes:

>>> He [Thomas] thinks that 'javascript' is not a suitable class name
>>> because it might confuse beginners.
>>
>>I don't think it might confuse beginners,
>
> Neither do I.
>
> Having said that, we have to recognise that some people are totally
> confused about everything, whatever we do to educate them. I'm thinking
> VK here.

OMG :-)

>>and I never got the impression
>>that Thomas thinks that, either.
>
> Last December Thomas said :
>
> "The term is also inherently misleading, and it it is currently used
> misleadingly in the FAQ."
>
> so you're wrong there.

I'm often wrong, but I don't see how that particularly applies to
beginners.

I *do* actually believe that the omnipresent umbrella term 'JavaScript'
makes it harder for beginners to understand basic concepts, such as
built-ins vs host objects, but I also think that it is *way* too late
for linguistic semantics to the rescue.

>>Personally I find it the term /javascript/i as vague and as ambiguous as
>>it can get; one can usually resolve it in context, in my case
>>'javascript' often equals 'DHTML' when talking to product owners, but
>>likely 'Rhino' or 'Spidermonkey' when talking to other developers (or
>>something entirely different.)
>
> So why don't you suggest an alternative term for the Topic of this news
> group.

See above. Although I share Thomas' concerns, I don't believe in the
success of a crusade. The only context where I found quibbling about
ECMAScript and DOM specifications and implementations to be constructive
is a job interview.

> Hint : It must be shorter than an attribution essay,

I recommend reading ISO 8879:1986. After that, everything Thomas comes
up with should appear zealously succinct.

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Why is this returning NaN "Tony" <tony.johansson@inport.com> - 2013-02-26 11:54 +0100
  Re: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-26 12:09 +0100
  Re: Why is this returning NaN "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-02-26 13:45 +0200
    Re: Why is this returning NaN "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-03-01 00:45 -0300
      Re: Why is this returning NaN "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-03-01 01:13 -0300
        Re: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-01 12:48 +0100
      Re: Why is this returning NaN "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-03-01 10:06 +0100
      Re: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-01 12:46 +0100
        Re: Why is this returning NaN John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-01 14:19 +0000
        Re: Why is this returning NaN "Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)" <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-03-01 12:01 -0300
          Re: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-01 21:03 +0100
            Re: Why is this returning NaN "Joao Rodrigues (J.R.)" <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-03-01 18:25 -0300
              Re: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-01 22:35 +0100
                Re: Why is this returning NaN Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2013-03-01 20:31 -0800
                Re: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-02 12:49 +0100
                Re: Why is this returning NaN "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-03-03 12:32 -0300
                Re: Why is this returning NaN "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-03-03 18:03 +0100
                Re: Why is this returning NaN Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2013-03-03 10:16 -0700
                OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-03 20:35 +0100
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2013-03-03 21:43 +0200
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-03 19:45 +0000
                "javascript" (was: OT: "javascript") Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-03 21:09 +0100
                Re: "javascript" "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-03-03 23:19 -0300
                Re: "javascript" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-04 11:27 +0100
                Re: "javascript" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-04 13:09 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-10 20:50 +0100
                Re: "javascript" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-10 20:29 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-10 23:23 +0100
                Re: "javascript" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-10 22:48 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-10 23:53 +0100
                Re: "javascript" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-10 23:23 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-11 02:57 +0100
                Re: "javascript" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-11 08:55 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-11 17:38 +0100
                Re: "javascript" Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-12 19:29 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-13 14:36 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-13 15:20 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-14 11:18 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-14 10:43 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-15 07:02 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-15 10:28 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-16 07:17 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-16 12:04 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-17 08:17 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-17 11:13 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-17 23:15 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-17 16:42 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-18 07:47 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-18 15:01 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-19 07:34 +1100
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-19 15:04 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2013-03-20 07:40 +1100
                Re: "javascript" Mike Duffy <Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> - 2013-03-13 12:03 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-14 21:22 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Mike Duffy <Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> - 2013-03-15 01:44 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-16 19:42 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Mike Duffy <Use.web.form@website_in_sig.com> - 2013-03-17 18:25 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-17 19:01 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2013-03-15 10:55 -0700
                Re: "javascript" John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-13 15:21 +0000
                Re: "javascript" (was: OT: "javascript") Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-04 13:07 +0000
                Re: "javascript" Christoph Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> - 2013-03-10 20:34 +0100
                Re: "javascript" Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-03-10 19:39 +0000
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2013-03-03 22:41 -0300
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-03-04 09:57 +0100
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-03-04 11:25 +0100
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-04 14:52 +0000
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-03-10 01:02 +0100
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-10 10:52 +0000
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-03-10 12:44 +0100
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-10 17:49 +0000
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-03-20 01:21 +0100
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2013-03-20 15:25 +0000
                Re: OT: "javascript" was: Why is this returning NaN Eric Bednarz <bednarz@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> - 2013-03-30 01:28 +0100
  Re: Why is this returning NaN Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-02-26 12:00 +0000
    Re: Why is this returning NaN Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2013-02-26 18:07 +0100
  Re: Why is this returning NaN Gregor Kofler <usenet@gregorkofler.com> - 2013-02-26 13:42 +0100
  Re: Why is this returning NaN Dr J R Stockton <reply1300@merlyn.demon.co.uk.invalid> - 2013-02-27 20:43 +0000
    Re: Why is this returning NaN "Evertjan." <exxjxw.hannivoort@inter.nl.net> - 2013-02-28 09:19 +0100

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