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On 19 Mar 2012 20:53:19 GMT, "Evertjan."
<exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> wrote:

Evertjan:

     Thank you very much for giving me yet another opportunity to
write about why one might do things a different way.  If you did not
keep trying to stomp me down to doing it your way, I would not keep
posting my view.

     I believe that it is important to consider more than one way of
doing things.  Questioning comfortable things can be the start to
getting something better, or it can provide reasoned argument for why
the extant way is good.

>Gene Wirchenko wrote on 19 mrt 2012 in comp.lang.javascript:
>
>>      Mr. Mark might consider the possibility that I know my situation
>> better than he does.  I can make my own decisions thank you.
>> 
>>      The particular use case addressed by my <Enter> filtering is
>> people accustomed to pressing <Enter> to terminate an input.  I do not
>> want that to result in a form submit.
>
>Gene, perhaps you would be right in an email conversation,
>but here we post to the whole group.

     Which I am doing.  Do I need to explain how it is possible to
write for two audiences at once?

>In this group, your personal "needs" are not as important as the 
>ways this discussion influences the thoughts of oldbee and newbee
>programmers that follow the thread, or will follow it in years to come, 
>Google willing. And even you yourself should, in my eyes, be influensed 
>by the logic of compliance to general habits.

     Your personal need to stomp on someone doing things differently
is not terribly important.  If general usage does not fit my use
cases, I feel free to disregard it.  I think that others should do the
same.  I will use something if it lokos to be a good idea.  I am not
likely to do so simply because it the so-called thing to do.

>In this group, advice to comply with web-user behavour is a 
>responsability of the regulars.

     As is to ensure that what one does fits the needs and wants of
the people who will be using, regardless of whether those needs and
wants are in agreement with common practice.

     Such changes might even improve the situation for others.

>The people you programme for, your users, surely are not a constant non-
>refreshing group, living totally outside the normal use of the browsers 
>normally used on the web. So their behavour will be influenced by web-
>useage and it's evolution.

     And also by any other programs they use.  I figure that they are
bright enough to learn, and I have not been disappointed.

>In my eyse, there only two distinct groups you should programme for:
>
>Group 1: You yourself as a single user, having manipulation pages that, 
>for instance, heavily affect the integrety of a database to correct for 
>errors that have not been forseen and should not reoccur. I sometimes use 
>rightclick actions to view the unviewable in a 4th generation database-
>view, hover-titles for reading record-numbers,  
>
>Group 2: The total of other users, present users and furure users.
>
>Only group 1 should, at your peril, be allowed to bypass the common 
>habits of web-browser use.

     Things can change for group 2 as well.  Pad systems are an
example of this.

>Even then, If I access my "group 1" page, say after a year, I have to 
>reread the code to understand what I ment to be the effect in when I 
>wrote the code.

     Possibly, that is, as has been the case for me more than once,
you have not had to look at the code for quite some time, because it
has just worked and there has been no need to change it during that
time.  That suggests that the original design worked quite well.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-13 22:35 -0700
  Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-13 22:40 -0700
  Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Norman Peelman <npeelmandog@cfl.rr.com> - 2012-03-14 17:59 -0400
    Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 15:10 -0700
      Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-14 17:57 -0700
        Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 19:39 -0700
  Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-03-14 23:53 -0300
    Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 20:26 -0700
    Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-14 22:13 -0700
      Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 22:40 -0700
        Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-15 08:25 -0700
          Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "J.R." <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2012-03-18 13:07 -0300
            Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-19 00:05 -0700
          Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-03-19 09:54 -0700
            Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-19 12:37 -0700
              Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2012-03-19 20:53 +0000
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-19 16:20 -0700
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-03-20 12:12 +1100
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-19 18:45 -0700
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Jeff North <jnorthau@yahoo.com.au> - 2012-03-20 17:17 +1100
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-20 16:37 -0700
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-20 19:25 -0700
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Dr J R Stockton <reply1212@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> - 2012-03-21 19:27 +0000
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-21 19:19 -0700
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2012-03-22 16:06 +0000
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-22 09:59 -0700
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2012-03-22 18:10 +0000
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-22 19:19 +0000
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_page@website.in.sig> - 2012-03-23 01:44 +0000
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-22 12:36 -0700
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "Evertjan." <exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net> - 2012-03-23 09:05 +0000
              Re: onkeydown and onkeyup "Mel Smith" <med_cutout_syntel@aol.com> - 2012-03-19 15:49 -0700
      Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Ross McKay <au.org.zeta.at.rosko@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-16 12:59 +1100
        Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-15 21:58 -0700
          Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Ross McKay <au.org.zeta.at.rosko@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:13 +1100
            Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-16 08:11 -0700
              Re: onkeydown and onkeyup John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 16:58 +0000
                Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-16 12:05 -0700
        Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Dr J R Stockton <reply1211@merlyn.demon.co.uk.not.invalid> - 2012-03-17 19:13 +0000
          Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Ross McKay <au.org.zeta.at.rosko@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-18 12:46 +1100
            Re: onkeydown and onkeyup David Mark <dmark.cinsoft@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 19:13 -0700
            Re: onkeydown and onkeyup Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-03-17 23:27 -0700

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