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Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)?

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Stefan Weiss wrote:

> On 02/16/2016 08:36, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Stefan Weiss wrote:
>>> Still, if it's a plain JS library (like jQuery), you can do everything
>>> it does with plain JS yourself.
>> No, because "JS" [...] does not include APIs like the DOM that are
>> necessary to achieve this.
> 
> Neither does jQuery. The environment either has access to the DOM, or it
> doesn't. In either case, everything jQuery does can be done without it.
> Besides, we were talking about browser-based components, so the
> availability of the DOM was implied.

You are missing the point.  Saying that you can do the same that jQuery does 
with “plain JS” implies that you can do *those* things with “plain JS”.  
But, as a matter of fact you cannot, because “plain JS” actually does not 
include using APIs like the DOM that jQuery uses a lot.

It is important to make that difference in this newsgroup at least, and to 
avoid spreading further, by such imprecise (underinformed, or simply 
ignorant) wording, the common misconception to beginners that everything 
they do in browsers is “(plain) JS” (in its worst form, “javascript”¹) where 
“JS” (or “javascript”) would, by *misdefinition*, have to include everything 
scriptable that browsers would provide.

Therefore, a more precise wording that could be recommended, if only in 
parts:

You have to use additional *language-independent* API( implementation)s with 
those scripting languages to achieve what you can do with jQuery and similar 
libraries, and you can use those language-independent APIs either directly, 
or through libraries that wrap that API (implementation) access (mostly) for 
developer convenience (nowadays).

See also the introduction to the ECMAScript Support Matrix (URI in 
signature) for a wording into which more free time was invested, that might 
be easier to understand.

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   comp.lang.javascript”
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Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? bpascal123 <bpascal123@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 14:49 -0800
  Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:05 +0100
    Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? bpascal123 <bpascal123@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:26 -0800
      Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 01:22 +0100
        Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-15 20:00 +0100
      Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-02-15 05:41 -0800
  Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? bpascal123 <bpascal123@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 16:59 -0800
    Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 04:20 +0100
      Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2016-02-15 22:18 -0800
      Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-16 08:36 +0100
        Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:45 +0100
          Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-16 20:23 +0100
            Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-02-16 20:24 +0000
              Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-17 07:31 +1100
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-17 15:57 +0100
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2016-02-17 15:09 +0000
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-02-17 16:09 +0000
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-02-17 15:45 +0000
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-18 00:09 +0100
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-18 19:29 +1100
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-18 23:36 +0100
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-02-19 10:51 +0000
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 09:01 -0800
                Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2016-02-18 15:10 +0000
            Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? Stefan Weiss <krewecherl@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 23:56 +0100
  Re: Can someone tell if this is javascript or else (jquery)? bpascal123 <bpascal123@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 04:46 -0800

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