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John Harris wrote:

> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […] wrote:
>> John Harris wrote:
>>> […] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […] wrote:
>> Kerning has nothing to do with inserting a space character of any kind.
> 
> Positive kerning has *everything* to with inserting white space, using
> whatever technology is available.

Utter nonsense.

>>> As an example, there are books published by Victor Gollancz Ltd, a
>>> reputable publisher, that have a longer gap in front of ? and !. It
>>> isn't a space character, but in plain ASCII text there isn't any other
>>> choice.
>> Irrelevant evidence
> 
> You say *never*; I give an example of *not never*. How can that be
> irrelevant ?

By your own account, it is not a space character.

On top of that, your idea that one would have to insert a space character 
before end marks in plain ASCII text because one has no other choice to 
achieve the same readability as printed material is absurd.  It is the extra 
space that *reduces* readability then, particularly when, because of this, 
the end mark is word-wrapped.

>> caused to be cited by fallacy,
> 
> 'cited by fallacy' does not make sense. It is  meaningless.

I do not think so.  But if you better understand it, “cited because of 
previous fallacy”, then.
 
>> followed by fallacy.
>>
>> With plain "ASCII" text it is the designer of the (fixed-width) font that
>> must, with kerning, make sure that there is a *spacing* between the 
>> glyphs *even though* the characters are used in orthographic fashion,
> 
> Some font designers design for paper prints, not for screens with a
> lower resolution.

Irrelevant.
 
>> and the author of a text should choose a font for display that has proper 
>> kerning to ease readability (at least for them).  They must _not_ insert 
>> space characters of any kind contrary to orthography¹.
>   <snip>
> 
> No. The author can change the kerning for particular characters when
> using a desktop publishing tool such as Framemaker or Word 2. (Both
> have character styles).

Which still has nothing to do with inserting (space) characters.  It has to 
do with *spacing* *between* (non-whitespace) characters.

What do you mean by “Word 2”?

> Incidentally, the Oxford Dictionary of English says that 'orthography'
> is the 'conventional spelling system of a language'. So does the
> Cambridge online dictionary.

Spelling is a subset of orthography, of how to write correctly.  So is 
punctuation, the topic at hand.

As you are either unwilling or unable to back up your position, to cut this 
short: You will find in the respective style guides (the “New Oxford Style 
Manual”, among others) how the English language is (supposed to be) written; 
it does _not_ include the insertion of white-space before end marks. ∎

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  Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-13 16:58 +0000
    Re: <noscript> problem "Mel Smith" <syntel@cox.net> - 2015-01-13 13:15 -0700
      Re: <noscript> problem "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2015-01-13 22:39 +0200
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            Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-14 12:07 +0000
              Re: <noscript> problem Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2015-01-14 10:50 -0200
                Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-14 15:53 +0100
  Re: <noscript> problem "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@arcor.de> - 2015-01-13 18:12 +0100
    Re: <noscript> problem "Mel Smith" <syntel@cox.net> - 2015-01-13 13:19 -0700
  Re: <noscript> problem Joao Rodrigues <groups_jr-1@yahoo.com.br> - 2015-01-13 15:18 -0200
  Re: <noscript> problem "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2015-01-13 19:30 +0200
    Re: <noscript> problem Erwin Moller <erwinmollerusenet@xs4all.nl> - 2015-01-14 15:19 +0100
      Re: <noscript> problem "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2015-01-14 17:13 +0200
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    Re: <noscript> problem "Mel Smith" <syntel@cox.net> - 2015-01-13 11:58 -0700
    Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-14 14:47 +0000
      Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-15 14:49 +0100
        Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-15 15:31 +0000
          Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-15 17:30 +0100
            Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-15 16:38 +0000
              Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-15 18:31 +0100
                Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-15 17:35 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-15 20:00 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-15 22:19 +0100
                Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-16 09:23 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-17 12:23 +0100
                Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-17 20:09 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-17 22:54 +0100
                Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-18 12:16 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-18 17:26 +0100
                Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-18 16:50 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-19 10:17 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-19 10:40 +0000
        Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-15 19:53 +0000
          Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-15 22:17 +0100
            Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-16 09:59 +0000
              Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-17 13:02 +0100
                Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-18 16:10 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-01-19 15:10 +0100
                Re: <noscript> problem John Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2015-01-20 10:24 +0000
                Re: <noscript> problem Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-20 12:09 +0000

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