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Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents?

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JJ wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 23:40:31 -0700 (PDT), Jonas Thörnvall wrote:
>> Dealing with real big HTML blocks is frustrating in HTML, the only option
>> you got is to split the document with iframe and innerHTML.

Nonsense.

>> And then you suddenly must hang on the origin "parent" to reach the
>> functions you call, it add complexity when all you want to do is have
>> neat textblocks included "frames".
>> 
>> I find it somehow unreasonable to add unnecessary complexity to reach
>> local functions.
>> 
>> Is the HTML standard fix now, iframe was not the solution i was hoping
>> for.It may be good for other purposes but for dividing a text into
>> logical textblocks it is practically useless if you do not want to add
>> overhead.
>> 
>> I can see many people ask for a way to just divide a text into subblocks,
>> will it ever happen?
> 
> Probably. Such feature is useful to provide newspaper styled page.
> 
> But considering that most of current HTML elements are just dumb passive
> containers (where they can not change their contents without users'
> intervention), I doubt it'll change soon. At least until they introduce
> something like "smart HTML" - where HTML elements are more active in
> general.
> 
> But I think before that happens, they'll need to provide support for
> better text rendering so that text can nicely fill up non rectangular
> containers without getting clipped.

Whatever the *perceived* problem, I am almost certain that it is only that, 
caused by ignorance (at best).  There are

  overflow: auto;

  columns: 2;

and

  border: 1px solid black;
  border-radius: 10px;
  padding: 5px;

and there are the Flexible Box (Flexbox) and Grid CSS layouts.

<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/overflow>
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/columns>
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/border-radius>
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Flexible_Box_Layout>
<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_Grid_Layout>

Plain HTML and CSS are *off topic* here.
They are on topic in <news:comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html> and 
<news:comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets> instead.

See also the FAQ (sig).

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Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-03 23:40 -0700
  Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:14 -0700
    Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:22 -0700
      Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:25 -0700
        Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:35 -0700
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:49 -0700
            Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:57 -0700
              Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 00:57 -0700
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 01:38 -0700
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2019-06-04 15:14 -0600
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 22:14 -0700
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Martin Leese <please@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID> - 2019-06-05 13:32 -0600
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:07 -0700
        Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-06-04 19:09 +0100
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:10 -0700
            Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:44 -0700
              Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-05 14:19 +0200
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:03 -0700
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 10:26 +0200
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:24 -0700
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-06-05 01:21 -0700
            Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 02:52 -0700
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-06-06 07:38 -0700
    Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-05 14:15 +0200
  Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-06-04 12:50 +0200
    Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 09:14 -0700
      Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 09:27 -0700
      Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? "R.Wieser" <address@not.available> - 2019-06-04 18:52 +0200
        Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:35 -0700
  Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 12:51 -0700
  Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2019-06-05 10:33 +0700
    Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 22:28 -0700
      Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-04 23:22 -0700
        Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-05 15:58 +0200
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:00 -0700
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:04 -0700
            Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 10:29 +0200
    Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2019-06-05 21:07 +0200
      Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-05 13:02 -0700
        Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 10:30 +0200
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 01:46 -0700
          Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 01:57 -0700
            Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 11:21 +0200
              Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 02:33 -0700
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 13:04 +0200
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 09:28 -0700
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-09 14:39 +0200
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2019-06-06 18:45 +0100
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 12:32 -0700
                Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? dr.j.r.stockton@gmail.com - 2019-06-06 13:02 -0700
            Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 02:24 -0700
              Re: Will there ever be a HTML tag to divide HTML documents? Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2019-06-06 13:07 +0200

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