Re: Recording changes to an object

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From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
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Subject	Re: Recording changes to an object
Date	Thu, 05 Jul 2018 09:25:35 +0200
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Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
>> > as a minimalist I ask, why bother having both? The instance method
>> > seems to be the minimal requirement if you're not introducing new
>> > syntax
>> I did not say “both”.  Also, that is not what you were arguing.
> 
> You were using JSON.stringify() as an analogy, which implied to me that
> you were advocating for an Object.clone(instance) method that potentially
> calls instance.clone(),

It was not implied, but was in my stub code explicitly.  UTSL.

> and my response is why bother with the static one
> at all? What would that give you? It wouldn't have privileged access to
> the internals of the target. I don't see how Object.prototype.clone()
> could just be "syntactic sugar".

Again, that is _not_ what you argued before.

However, as should be obvious from my stub code, having both the static 
method and the dynamic one [again, I did _not_ advocate for *both*
*built-in* *Object*.prototype.clone() *and* Object.clone()] has the 
advantage that custom cloning behavior MAY easily be specified for an object 
without rewriting the caller code, for example to handle the special object 
state that you were talking about.  Think of it like the possibility of 
overloading a (“clone”) operator (which is what I actually do in JSX:math).

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Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-21 15:54 +1000
  Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 01:47 -0700
  Re: Recording changes to an object Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-06-21 17:01 +0100
    Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 09:48 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 09:58 +0100
  Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-21 21:03 +0200
    Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 16:25 -0700
    Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-22 09:34 +1000
      Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 17:02 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 18:03 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 10:06 +0100
          Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 02:21 -0700
            Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 18:31 +0100
              Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 20:16 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-22 02:23 +0200
        Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 17:31 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-22 02:55 +0200
        Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-22 12:37 +1000
          Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 02:23 -0700
            Re: Recording changes to an object Jake Jarvis <pig_in_shoes@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-22 14:35 +0200
              Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 05:57 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Mickey Finn <mfinn@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 15:43 -0300
              Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-22 13:51 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 06:04 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 18:33 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-24 14:36 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-06-24 13:56 +0000
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-25 10:06 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:40 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:47 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:51 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:54 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:58 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-25 19:26 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-30 19:47 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-01 10:56 +0100
            Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-23 17:19 +1000
              Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-23 00:51 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-23 11:27 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-23 20:59 +1000
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-23 05:51 -0700
    Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-30 19:43 +0200
      Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-01 15:22 +0200
        Re: Recording changes to an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 16:29 +0200
          Cloning an object (was: Recording changes to an object) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-04 23:25 +0200
            Re: Cloning an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:00 +0200
              Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 19:49 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 20:37 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 23:35 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 23:54 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 00:32 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 00:24 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-06 18:48 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 23:51 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-07 15:51 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-07 08:39 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-09 10:20 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:35 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:41 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 12:20 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-08 14:38 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-08 13:10 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-09 09:48 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:28 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:38 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-09 19:11 +0100
      Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-02 21:01 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 00:32 +0200
          Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-04 19:23 -0700
            Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 06:38 +0200
              Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-04 23:21 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 09:25 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-05 07:44 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 19:35 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-06 12:59 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 23:22 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-07 12:45 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 11:13 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-08 05:03 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-08 13:42 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-08 13:46 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-08 13:41 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 00:35 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-10 01:03 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-10 20:50 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-10 16:09 -0700
  Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-06-21 15:09 -0700
    Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 16:30 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-06-21 16:57 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 17:01 -0700

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