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Re: Recording changes to an object

From Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.javascript
Subject Re: Recording changes to an object
Date 2018-07-10 20:50 +0200
Organization PointedEars Software (PES)
Message-ID <2031037b-6dbd-b69c-065e-ea038eda35b3@PointedEars.de> (permalink)
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Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Michael Haufe (TNO) wrote:
>>>>> *built-in* does not automatically imply black-magic access to the 
>>>>> internal state of the object
>>>> Yes it does.
>>> Insufficient. Show evidence to justify. I agree it COULD do so, that
>>> doesn't imply automatically that it does.
>> Fallacy: Shifting the burden of proof.
> 
> It's your claim, not mine and therefore your burden. 

Wrong, you claimed (as quoted above):

“*built-in* does not automatically imply black-magic access to the
internal state of the object”

Substantiate or retract that claim.

> [tl;dr]


PointedEars
-- 
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>

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Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-21 15:54 +1000
  Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 01:47 -0700
  Re: Recording changes to an object Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-06-21 17:01 +0100
    Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 09:48 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 09:58 +0100
  Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-21 21:03 +0200
    Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 16:25 -0700
    Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-22 09:34 +1000
      Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 17:02 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 18:03 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 10:06 +0100
          Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 02:21 -0700
            Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 18:31 +0100
              Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 20:16 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-22 02:23 +0200
        Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 17:31 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-22 02:55 +0200
        Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-22 12:37 +1000
          Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 02:23 -0700
            Re: Recording changes to an object Jake Jarvis <pig_in_shoes@yahoo.com> - 2018-06-22 14:35 +0200
              Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 05:57 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Mickey Finn <mfinn@gmail.com> - 2018-06-22 15:43 -0300
              Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-22 13:51 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-22 06:04 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-22 18:33 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-24 14:36 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Mark-" <nospam@mapson.xyz> - 2018-06-24 13:56 +0000
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-25 10:06 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:40 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:47 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:51 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:54 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Jonas Thörnvall <jonas.thornvall@gmail.com> - 2018-06-25 02:58 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-25 19:26 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-30 19:47 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-01 10:56 +0100
            Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-23 17:19 +1000
              Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-23 00:51 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-06-23 11:27 +0100
                Re: Recording changes to an object Andrew Poulos <ap_prog@hotmail.com> - 2018-06-23 20:59 +1000
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-23 05:51 -0700
    Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-06-30 19:43 +0200
      Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-01 15:22 +0200
        Re: Recording changes to an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-02 16:29 +0200
          Cloning an object (was: Recording changes to an object) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-04 23:25 +0200
            Re: Cloning an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 10:00 +0200
              Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 19:49 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 20:37 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 23:35 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Cezary Tomczyk <cezary.tomczyk@gmail.com> - 2018-07-05 23:54 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 00:32 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 00:24 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-06 18:48 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 23:51 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-07 15:51 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-07 08:39 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-09 10:20 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:35 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:41 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 12:20 +0200
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-08 14:38 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-08 13:10 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-09 09:48 +0100
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:28 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-09 02:38 -0700
                Re: Cloning an object John G Harris <niam@jghnorth.org.uk.invalid> - 2018-07-09 19:11 +0100
      Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-02 21:01 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 00:32 +0200
          Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-04 19:23 -0700
            Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 06:38 +0200
              Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-04 23:21 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 09:25 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-05 07:44 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-05 19:35 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-06 12:59 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-06 23:22 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-07 12:45 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-08 11:13 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-08 05:03 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-08 13:42 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-07-08 13:46 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-08 13:41 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-09 00:35 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-10 01:03 -0700
                Re: Recording changes to an object Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-07-10 20:50 +0200
                Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-07-10 16:09 -0700
  Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-06-21 15:09 -0700
    Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 16:30 -0700
      Re: Recording changes to an object "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2018-06-21 16:57 -0700
        Re: Recording changes to an object Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-06-21 17:01 -0700

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