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Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-02-15 12:58 +0000
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-15 10:01 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 07:14 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-15 13:00 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 10:28 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-15 16:05 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 13:54 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-15 22:51 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 05:06 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 09:28 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 07:37 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 11:13 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-02-15 16:24 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-15 22:55 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-02-16 02:09 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 09:31 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-02-16 11:09 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 14:34 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-02-16 12:14 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 20:08 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-02-16 19:40 +0000
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-02-16 12:19 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 20:09 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-02-16 09:41 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 14:46 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-16 13:58 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-16 20:11 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-02-16 01:57 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-02-16 18:31 +0000
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-02-16 13:48 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-16 14:14 -0500
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-02-16 20:28 +0000
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" a.laforgia@gmail.com - 2017-02-16 11:10 -0800
Re: pronunciation of "ArithmeticException" Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-16 14:31 -0500
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| From | Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 19:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o84v7g$j41$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36297 |
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:09:53 -0800, a.laforgia wrote: > On Thursday, 16 February 2017 14:31:26 UTC, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > [...] >> You should actually READ the link you refer to. Merriam-Webster uses >> "soft links" - which give the closest word available, in case you >> misspelled it. > > Nope, it doesn't. > > If you mispell "arithmetic" as "arithmeti", it presents you with a page > of suggestions: > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suggestions/arithmeti > > It does not point you to the closest word available. In the case of > "arithmetics", it points you to "arithmetic" cause the two words are > synonyms. > >> Both links refer to "Arithmetic", with no plural version listed on the >> page. > > "Arithmetics" is not a plural, it's a synonym. But that seems to be > quite difficult for you. If that's true, why isn't 'arithmetics' shown, labelled as a synonym or alternative spelling, on the page. Look up 'maneuver' and 'manoeuvre' and you'll find references to both spellings in the Merriam-Webster online because both are correct ways of spelling the same word. Try the same for 'arithmetic' and 'arithmetics' and both will arrive at the same page. Maybe there's a clue there? -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org |
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| From | a.laforgia@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 12:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1fa06772-a907-4f28-ab68-2cbd006eac39@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36303 |
On Thursday, 16 February 2017 19:42:34 UTC, Martin Gregorie wrote: [...] > If that's true, why isn't 'arithmetics' shown, labelled as a synonym or > alternative spelling, on the page. Ask Mirriam-Webster. > Try the same for 'arithmetic' and 'arithmetics' and both will arrive at > the same page. Maybe there's a clue there? Ask yourself why. The clue is that they mean the same.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 20:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o85idc$oro$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #36303 |
On 2/16/2017 2:40 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 11:09:53 -0800, a.laforgia wrote: > >> On Thursday, 16 February 2017 14:31:26 UTC, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> >> [...] >>> You should actually READ the link you refer to. Merriam-Webster uses >>> "soft links" - which give the closest word available, in case you >>> misspelled it. >> >> Nope, it doesn't. >> >> If you mispell "arithmetic" as "arithmeti", it presents you with a page >> of suggestions: >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suggestions/arithmeti >> >> It does not point you to the closest word available. In the case of >> "arithmetics", it points you to "arithmetic" cause the two words are >> synonyms. >> >>> Both links refer to "Arithmetic", with no plural version listed on the >>> page. >> >> "Arithmetics" is not a plural, it's a synonym. But that seems to be >> quite difficult for you. > > If that's true, why isn't 'arithmetics' shown, labelled as a synonym or > alternative spelling, on the page. Look up 'maneuver' and 'manoeuvre' and > you'll find references to both spellings in the Merriam-Webster online > because both are correct ways of spelling the same word. > > Try the same for 'arithmetic' and 'arithmetics' and both will arrive at > the same page. Maybe there's a clue there? > > You're trying to argue with an idiot or a troll - I haven't figured out which. But either way, he's stoopid. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 09:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <tmobaclgp60frlj8bb0qvgqrne04mhb9m1@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #36281 |
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:55:42 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>On 2/15/2017 7:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:05:47 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/15/2017 1:28 PM, Eric Douglas wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 1:00:52 PM UTC-5, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not in English it isn't. It not in my Merriam-Webster, either.
>>>>> Arithmetic does not have a plural.
>>
>>>> It's that new math, too new for dictionaries.
>>>> Old math: 30 * 3 = 90
>>>> New math: 30 * 3 = (30 + 30 + 30) = 90
>>>> Then of course there's theoretical arithmetic, and floating point arithmetic.
>>>> Word problems should count as a different kind of arithmetic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope. It's not "new math", and it's not "too new for dictionaries".
>>> Arithmetic is the most elementary branch of mathematics. Your attempt
>>> to make up a word doesn't work.
>>
>> Set theory is even more elementary.
>Actually, not. Set theory uses arithmetic, i.e. for counting the number
>of items in a set.
Nope. Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms,
the section "Set-theoretic models" where it shows deriving the natural
numbers from sets.
>> "arithmetics" is perfectly acceptable in the right context. You
>> can have a system of arithmetic. You could have a second system of
>> arithmetic. You then would have two systems of arithmetic. They
>> could also be referred to as two arithmetics.
>No, you have two systems of arithmetic. You do not have two
>"arithmetics".
Try again.
>> Granted it would be an unusual usage, but it is definitely
>> possible.
>>
>> "algebra" can be pluralised similarly, and it is not so unusual.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Gene "Minor in Math" Wirchenko
>But obviously not even a minor in English. "Arithmetics" is not an
>accepted word in any dictionary - American or British English.
I just use dictionary.com to look up "xylophones". It returned
the page for "xylophone". The word "xylophones" does not occur on it.
Should I then conclude that "xylophones" is not a valid word?
"Stuckle" is not likely to be in any dictionary either.
Sincerely,
Gene Wirchenko
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 14:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o84veq$o2u$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #36293 |
On 2/16/2017 12:41 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:55:42 -0500, Jerry Stuckle > <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: > >> On 2/15/2017 7:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote: >>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:05:47 -0500, Jerry Stuckle >>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/15/2017 1:28 PM, Eric Douglas wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 1:00:52 PM UTC-5, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not in English it isn't. It not in my Merriam-Webster, either. >>>>>> Arithmetic does not have a plural. >>> >>>>> It's that new math, too new for dictionaries. >>>>> Old math: 30 * 3 = 90 >>>>> New math: 30 * 3 = (30 + 30 + 30) = 90 >>>>> Then of course there's theoretical arithmetic, and floating point arithmetic. >>>>> Word problems should count as a different kind of arithmetic. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Nope. It's not "new math", and it's not "too new for dictionaries". >>>> Arithmetic is the most elementary branch of mathematics. Your attempt >>>> to make up a word doesn't work. >>> >>> Set theory is even more elementary. > >> Actually, not. Set theory uses arithmetic, i.e. for counting the number >> of items in a set. > > Nope. Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peano_axioms, > the section "Set-theoretic models" where it shows deriving the natural > numbers from sets. > Since you want to use Wikipedia for a reference (poor as it is), I refer you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic. It starts out: "Arithmetic (from the Greek ἀριθμός arithmos, "number") is the oldest[1] and most elementary branch of mathematics..." >>> "arithmetics" is perfectly acceptable in the right context. You >>> can have a system of arithmetic. You could have a second system of >>> arithmetic. You then would have two systems of arithmetic. They >>> could also be referred to as two arithmetics. > >> No, you have two systems of arithmetic. You do not have two >> "arithmetics". > > Try again. > No need to try again. There is no word "Arithmetics" in the English language. If you have a system of arithmetic and a second system of arithmetic, you have two systems. Both happen to be arithmetic. >>> Granted it would be an unusual usage, but it is definitely >>> possible. >>> >>> "algebra" can be pluralised similarly, and it is not so unusual. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Gene "Minor in Math" Wirchenko > >> But obviously not even a minor in English. "Arithmetics" is not an >> accepted word in any dictionary - American or British English. > > I just use dictionary.com to look up "xylophones". It returned > the page for "xylophone". The word "xylophones" does not occur on it. > Should I then conclude that "xylophones" is not a valid word? > It is in my dictionary. But then I'm using a real one, not an online one. It's a book. Remember those? > "Stuckle" is not likely to be in any dictionary either. > > Sincerely, > > Gene Wirchenko > And neither is "Wirchenko". So what? -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 13:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3dfa8f23-6464-4434-9950-1a111052cd5e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36304 |
On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:46:24 PM UTC-5, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > No need to try again. There is no word "Arithmetics" in the English > language. If you have a system of arithmetic and a second system of > arithmetic, you have two systems. Both happen to be arithmetic. > 1) We answered the original question of how to pronounce arithmetic. 2) Arithmetics is a thing, so deal with that. http://www.springer.com/us/book/9781447121305 3) This is a coding forum, so all that's important is arithmetics is a thing. https://www.npmjs.com/package/arithmetics
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 20:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o85igo$p42$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #36309 |
On 2/16/2017 4:58 PM, Eric Douglas wrote: > On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 2:46:24 PM UTC-5, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> No need to try again. There is no word "Arithmetics" in the English >> language. If you have a system of arithmetic and a second system of >> arithmetic, you have two systems. Both happen to be arithmetic. >> > > 1) We answered the original question of how to pronounce arithmetic. > > 2) Arithmetics is a thing, so deal with that. > http://www.springer.com/us/book/9781447121305 > > 3) This is a coding forum, so all that's important is arithmetics is a thing. > https://www.npmjs.com/package/arithmetics > ROFLMAO! Just another example of your stoopidity. I suggest you quite before you lose what little reputation you have - if any. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | a.laforgia@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 01:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e5b34d8a-9a44-43d0-9217-c735619cf684@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36265 |
On Wednesday, 15 February 2017 13:00:21 UTC, Andreas Leitgeb wrote: [...] > Iirc, the English noun ends in -cs: arithmetics. Nope. The English noun is "Arithmetic", no final 's'.
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| From | Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 18:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnoabs2v.pvm.avl@logic.at> |
| In reply to | #36265 |
Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> wrote: > Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: >> The noun is pronounced »a'rithmetic«. > Iirc, the English noun ends in -cs: arithmetics. Apparently, I seem to have generalized the "-ics" ending from Mathematics onto other words with similar (Greek) etymology. Thanks for pointing out, that "Arithmetic" doesn't usually have this trailing "s". I live and learn.
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| From | Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 13:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o84s2r$b0o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #36294 |
On 2/16/2017 1:31 PM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
> Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> wrote:
>> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>> The noun is pronounced »a'rithmetic«.
>> Iirc, the English noun ends in -cs: arithmetics.
>
> Apparently, I seem to have generalized the "-ics" ending from
> Mathematics onto other words with similar (Greek) etymology.
>
> Thanks for pointing out, that "Arithmetic" doesn't usually
> have this trailing "s". I live and learn.
Were it not for your anemic constitution and choleric
disposition, someone would surely award you a bishopric in
recognitoin [sic] of your study of Attic languages.
--
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid
One thousand four hundred thirty-four days to go.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 14:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o84tme$1lsn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #36295 |
On 2/16/2017 1:48 PM, Eric Sosman wrote: > On 2/16/2017 1:31 PM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote: >> Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> wrote: >>> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: >>>> The noun is pronounced »a'rithmetic«. >>> Iirc, the English noun ends in -cs: arithmetics. >> >> Apparently, I seem to have generalized the "-ics" ending from >> Mathematics onto other words with similar (Greek) etymology. >> >> Thanks for pointing out, that "Arithmetic" doesn't usually >> have this trailing "s". I live and learn. > > Were it not for your anemic constitution and choleric > disposition, someone would surely award you a bishopric in > recognitoin [sic] of your study of Attic languages. Was that intended for Andreas?? Arne
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| From | Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 20:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnoac2vk.pvm.avl@logic.at> |
| In reply to | #36295 |
Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> wrote: > On 2/16/2017 1:31 PM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote: >> Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> wrote: >>> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: >>>> The noun is pronounced »a'rithmetic«. >>> Iirc, the English noun ends in -cs: arithmetics. >> Apparently, I seem to have generalized the "-ics" ending from >> Mathematics onto other words with similar (Greek) etymology. >> Thanks for pointing out, that "Arithmetic" doesn't usually >> have this trailing "s". I live and learn. > Were it not for your anemic constitution and choleric > disposition, someone would surely award you a bishopric in > recognitoin [sic] of your study of Attic languages. That's actually not all Greek to me: at least teh [sic] is Latin. After a quick update on linguistics, ethics, politics, tactics and physics, it still sounds (<- acoustics!) to me like that - based also on certain made-up statistics - it would take some rather advanced pharmaceutics (not affordable considering economics) to fully convince me of "arithmetic" following a pattern rather than being one of a few exceptions. As http://www.dictionary.com/browse/-ics points it out, the reason for arithmetic and logic not following the common pattern should be rather attributed to "hysterical raisins" than anything else.
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| From | a.laforgia@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 11:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a9bb7527-5e5a-455e-a4e2-baa73467d1c7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #36294 |
On Thursday, 16 February 2017 18:33:10 UTC, Andreas Leitgeb wrote: [...] > Thanks for pointing out, that "Arithmetic" doesn't usually > have this trailing "s". Exactly. It's just a synonym.
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| From | Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> |
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| Date | 2017-02-16 14:31 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o84um2$1nri$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #36294 |
On 2/16/2017 1:31 PM, Andreas Leitgeb wrote: > Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> wrote: >> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: >>> The noun is pronounced »a'rithmetic«. >> Iirc, the English noun ends in -cs: arithmetics. > > Apparently, I seem to have generalized the "-ics" ending from > Mathematics onto other words with similar (Greek) etymology. > > Thanks for pointing out, that "Arithmetic" doesn't usually > have this trailing "s". I live and learn. It definitely seems like in English the term arithmetics is not used. But is also seems like it is occasionally but rarely used in math circles. Examples: https://www.amazon.com/Arithmetics-Universitext-Marc-Hindry/dp/1447121309/ https://www.amazon.com/Studies-Weak-Arithmetics-Lecture-Notes/dp/1575867230/ https://www.amazon.com/Finite-fields-Structure-arithmetics-Jungnickel/dp/3411161116/ It seems like the term has seen some usage among non-US math professors writing in English. Arne
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