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  tutition pablo <pa24959122@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 04:32 -0700
    Re: tutition Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 05:13 -0700
      Re: tutition Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-04-17 23:37 +1000
        Re: tutition Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 06:58 -0700
          Re: tutition Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2017-04-18 00:09 +1000
            Re: tutition Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 07:16 -0700
              Re: tutition Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2017-04-17 10:24 -0400
            Re: tutition pablo <pa24959122@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 07:19 -0700
              Re: tutition Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 07:24 -0700
          Re: tutition Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-04-17 10:26 -0400
            Re: tutition Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-04-17 09:57 -0700
              Re: tutition pablo <pa24959122@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 10:08 -0700
                Re: tutition Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2017-04-17 12:41 -0700
                  Re: tutition Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 13:36 -0700
                  Re: tutition Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-04-17 20:25 -0400
          Re: tutition "Tristan B. Kildaire" <deavmi@disroot.org> - 2017-04-27 22:28 +0200
    Re: tutition ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2017-04-20 07:20 -0400

#36453 — tutition

does anybody in here provide tuition for Java obviously paid i am looking for some one to give ne a hour or 2 per week.

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#36455

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 7:32:58 AM UTC-4, pablo wrote:
> does anybody in here provide tuition for Java obviously paid i am looking for some one to give ne a hour or 2 per week.

There is free do it yourself training
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/

and there is paid training
http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/ou_product_category.getPage?p_cat_id=267

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#36459

Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 7:32:58 AM UTC-4, pablo wrote:
>> does anybody in here provide tuition for Java obviously paid i am looking for some one to give ne a hour or 2 per week.
>
>There is free do it yourself training
>https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/
>
>and there is paid training
>http://education.oracle.com/pls/web_prod-plq-dad/ou_product_category.getPage?p_cat_id=267

Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.

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#36461

> Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
> way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
> that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
> OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
> Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.

I may be wrong but I don't think anyone can effectively tutor a beginner programmer over the internet.  Sometimes that's hard enough in person.
The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a sample program.
If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local college or through online resources like Oracle's.

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#36462

Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
>> way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
>> that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
>> OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
>> Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.
>
>I may be wrong but I don't think anyone can effectively tutor a beginner programmer over the internet.  Sometimes that's hard enough in person.

Why do you think Skype or similar is so much less effective than in
person? There are several "schools" that use it or proprietary
software that offer on-line tutors in many subjects including Java.
>The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a sample program.
>If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local college or through online resources like Oracle's.

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#36464

> Why do you think Skype or similar is so much less effective than in
> person? There are several "schools" that use it or proprietary
> software that offer on-line tutors in many subjects including Java.
> >The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a sample program.
> >If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local college or through online resources like Oracle's.

I haven't tried learning online other than self taught through the tutorials much less teaching someone online who can't manage basic syntax.  Maybe it's easier than I would think?  I have tried teaching a beginner in person and it was tedious.  Unless that person is really good at picking up new things, it takes more than a couple hours a week.

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#36466

On 4/17/2017 10:16 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
>> Why do you think Skype or similar is so much less effective than in
>> person? There are several "schools" that use it or proprietary
>> software that offer on-line tutors in many subjects including Java.
>>> The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a sample program.
>>> If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local college or through online resources like Oracle's.
> 
> I haven't tried learning online other than self taught through the tutorials much less teaching someone online who can't manage basic syntax.  Maybe it's easier than I would think?  I have tried teaching a beginner in person and it was tedious.  Unless that person is really good at picking up new things, it takes more than a couple hours a week.

     Also, on-line forums like Usenet are "narrow" channels: The process
of exchanging questions and answers is a slow one, ill-suited to the
transfer of large amounts of information.  Usenet is fine for "When
should I implement hashCode()?" and "Will `volatile' work here, or must
I synchronize?" but is not so good for "Please teach me Mandarin."  More
efficient channels -- tutorials, books, classes -- can be found for that
sort of thing.

-- 
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid
Thirteen hundred seventy-four days to go.

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#36465

On Monday, 17 April 2017 15:09:15 UTC+1, Gordon Levi  wrote:
> Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
> >> way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
> >> that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
> >> OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
> >> Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.
> >
> >I may be wrong but I don't think anyone can effectively tutor a beginner programmer over the internet.  Sometimes that's hard enough in person.
> 
> Why do you think Skype or similar is so much less effective than in
> person? There are several "schools" that use it or proprietary
> software that offer on-line tutors in many subjects including Java.
> >The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a sample program.
> >If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local college or through online resources like Oracle's.

just for clarity i am doing an open university degree but find it hard reading the text in the books and following it, sometime i find it a lot easier when somebody explains it to me or shows me. doing things yourself is great if the person can do it

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#36467

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 10:19:22 AM UTC-4, pablo wrote:
> just for clarity i am doing an open university degree but find it hard reading the text in the books and following it, sometime i find it a lot easier when somebody explains it to me or shows me. doing things yourself is great if the person can do it

Have you asked the teacher?
Is this class in person or online?  Is there a lab?
Every programming course I took in college had a hands on lab with people around during lab period to answer questions.
Getting help with homework from a forum isn't helpful if the "can you explain what I'm missing here?" turns into "can you write this for me?"

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#36469

On 4/17/2017 9:58 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
>> Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
>> way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
>> that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
>> OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
>> Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.
> 
> I may be wrong but I don't think anyone can effectively tutor a beginner programmer over the internet.  Sometimes that's hard enough in person.
> The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a sample program.
> If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local college or through online resources like Oracle's.
> 

Eric, I have to agree here.  I taught Java (and other languages) for
corporate programmers for well over a decade.  It's hard enough to help
someone in person; the OP would be wasting his money getting tutoring
over the internet.

In person at least you can sit next to the person and discuss what
he/she has on the screen and point directly at the problems.  You can
also more easily scratch ideas out on paper or a white board.

You lose a lot when trying to do this remotely.  That's why I've never
tried to teach a course online; it just isn't fair to the student.

-- 
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

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#36476

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:26:22 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/17/2017 9:58 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
>>> Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
>>> way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
>>> that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
>>> OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
>>> Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.
>> 
>> I may be wrong but I don't think anyone can effectively tutor a beginner
 programmer over the internet.  Sometimes that's hard enough in
person.

     I tutor, and I would not want to try to tutor a beginner over the
Net.  As Eric stated, the channel is narrow.  Too narrow.  For
example, I pick up on my student's speech pauses and where he is
looking to diagnose troubles.

>> The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a
 sample program.

     Not if you are a beginner.  A beginner needs quick, specific
help.  Oh, the newsgroup is not useless, but there are better things
for a beginner.  For someone trying to extend past beginner, a
newsgroup can be useful.

>> If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly
 reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or
signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local
college or through online resources like Oracle's.

     Reread the material regardless.

>Eric, I have to agree here.  I taught Java (and other languages) for
>corporate programmers for well over a decade.  It's hard enough to help
>someone in person; the OP would be wasting his money getting tutoring
>over the internet.

     Not necessarily, but probably and almost certainly with a
beginner though.

>In person at least you can sit next to the person and discuss what
>he/she has on the screen and point directly at the problems.  You can
>also more easily scratch ideas out on paper or a white board.
>
>You lose a lot when trying to do this remotely.  That's why I've never
>tried to teach a course online; it just isn't fair to the student.

     Technical support is hard over the phone.  Tutoring would be more
so.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#36477

On Monday, 17 April 2017 17:58:16 UTC+1, Gene Wirchenko  wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:26:22 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> >On 4/17/2017 9:58 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> >>> Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
> >>> way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
> >>> that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
> >>> OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
> >>> Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.
> >> 
> >> I may be wrong but I don't think anyone can effectively tutor a beginner
>  programmer over the internet.  Sometimes that's hard enough in
> person.
> 
>      I tutor, and I would not want to try to tutor a beginner over the
> Net.  As Eric stated, the channel is narrow.  Too narrow.  For
> example, I pick up on my student's speech pauses and where he is
> looking to diagnose troubles.
> 
> >> The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a
>  sample program.
> 
>      Not if you are a beginner.  A beginner needs quick, specific
> help.  Oh, the newsgroup is not useless, but there are better things
> for a beginner.  For someone trying to extend past beginner, a
> newsgroup can be useful.
> 
> >> If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly
>  reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or
> signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local
> college or through online resources like Oracle's.
> 
>      Reread the material regardless.
> 
> >Eric, I have to agree here.  I taught Java (and other languages) for
> >corporate programmers for well over a decade.  It's hard enough to help
> >someone in person; the OP would be wasting his money getting tutoring
> >over the internet.
> 
>      Not necessarily, but probably and almost certainly with a
> beginner though.
> 
> >In person at least you can sit next to the person and discuss what
> >he/she has on the screen and point directly at the problems.  You can
> >also more easily scratch ideas out on paper or a white board.
> >
> >You lose a lot when trying to do this remotely.  That's why I've never
> >tried to teach a course online; it just isn't fair to the student.
> 
>      Technical support is hard over the phone.  Tutoring would be more
> so.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Gene Wirchenko

Gene thanks for your reply i am looking for a tutor to get me over an exam i have due on may 4th so i am just after extra support via email and telephone probably about a hour a week answering targeted questions and giving explanations, and then after the 4th may i am looking for someone to just get me up to an ok level so that i can carry on on the course. if you are interested then please feel free to drop me an email again i am happy to pay as as long as its not a ridiculous amount

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#36478

On Mon, 17 Apr 2017 10:08:12 -0700 (PDT), pablo <pa24959122@gmail.com>
wrote:

[snip]

>Gene thanks for your reply i am looking for a tutor to get me over an
 exam i have due on may 4th so i am just after extra support via email
and telephone probably about a hour a week answering targeted
questions and giving explanations, and then after the 4th may i am
looking for someone to just get me up to an ok level so that i can
carry on on the course. if you are interested then please feel free to
drop me an email again i am happy to pay as as long as its not a
ridiculous amount

     I am in Kamloops, BC, Canada.  Unless you are here or can get
here, I would not accept you for tutoring.  Nor would I tutor someone
I do not know over the phone or by E-mail.  It is just too difficult.
Find someone local.

     You have targetted questions?  Maybe, but I have run across too
many people who think that just an hour or two will do it.  Sometimes,
it will, but if you need a tutor, you probably have confusions that
need to be handled first.  (Much of my value in tutoring is not the
teaching, though I do that, but the unteaching of confusions.  It is
something like cleaning out stables.  First, you clean them out, and
only then do you spread the layer of straw.)

     Find someone local.  Ask your teacher, fellow students, student
society -- My alma mater has a tutors registration -- or anyone else.
Get a tutor NOW.  If you delay, it will be very difficult for a tutor
to do much for you.  As it is, with only 2 1/2 weeks to go, it will be
overly tight.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

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#36479

On Monday, April 17, 2017 at 3:41:43 PM UTC-4, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
> >Gene thanks for your reply i am looking for a tutor to get me over an
>  exam i have due on may 4th so i am just after extra support via email
> and telephone probably about a hour a week answering targeted
> questions and giving explanations, and then after the 4th may i am
> looking for someone to just get me up to an ok level so that i can
> carry on on the course. if you are interested then please feel free to
> drop me an email again i am happy to pay as as long as its not a
> ridiculous amount
> 
>      I am in Kamloops, BC, Canada.  Unless you are here or can get
> here, I would not accept you for tutoring.  Nor would I tutor someone
> I do not know over the phone or by E-mail.  It is just too difficult.
> Find someone local.
> 
>      You have targetted questions?  Maybe, but I have run across too
> many people who think that just an hour or two will do it.  Sometimes,
> it will, but if you need a tutor, you probably have confusions that
> need to be handled first.  (Much of my value in tutoring is not the
> teaching, though I do that, but the unteaching of confusions.  It is
> something like cleaning out stables.  First, you clean them out, and
> only then do you spread the layer of straw.)
> 
>      Find someone local.  Ask your teacher, fellow students, student
> society -- My alma mater has a tutors registration -- or anyone else.
> Get a tutor NOW.  If you delay, it will be very difficult for a tutor
> to do much for you.  As it is, with only 2 1/2 weeks to go, it will be
> overly tight.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Gene Wirchenko

My thoughts exactly.  For someone who needs a lot of help you need someone in person.  I think if that can be done effectively online you'd at least need to be able to share a screen that has the coding on it, to have a separate screen running video chat, and have some way to point at the screen that the other person can see where you're pointing.

Some people need a lot more time training than others, some I think will just never get it.  To me it's all second nature, so to explain the basics to someone of how to declare a method and a variable, where to put the semicolons and open and close braces, then to see them write code with the most basic syntax errors feels like they're not going to get it.

I'm sure I tested BlueJ once but I don't recall what it did.  I've heard they use that in schools, and it may be because it doesn't point out basic syntax errors which Eclipse makes easy to fix.  I've always used Eclipse for my Java but it's all self taught.  There was no Java in school, it wasn't invented.  I finished college in 1996.

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#36483

On 4/17/2017 3:41 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
>      I am in Kamloops, BC, Canada.

Interesting - I was actually in Kamloops twice last year.

Arne

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#36544

On 17/04/2017 15:58, Eric Douglas wrote:
>> Yes but I think asking for a tutor from this Newsgroup was a sensible
>> way of qualifying the tutors. The fact that they subscribe indicates
>> that they are interested in Java and probably want to be helpful. The
>> OP can check through the posts from the applicants to see the level of
>> Java knowledge and their skill in explaining it.
> 
> I may be wrong but I don't think anyone can effectively tutor a beginner programmer over the internet.  Sometimes that's hard enough in person.
> The group is a good place to get help coding a specific task, debugging a sample program.
> If you're struggling with the basic language syntax I'd suggest thoroughly reading the free online tutorial if you're able to teach yourself, or signing up for a class if you're not, either through your local college or through online resources like Oracle's.
> 
GREAT ADVICE!

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#36494

On 04/17/2017 06:12 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Here, in Berlin (Germany [Europe]), we got community
>   education centers, where one can learn the fundamentals of
>   several programming languages (including Java, JavaScript,
>   C, C++, C#, VB, VBA, SQL, PHP, and Python). In Germany most
>   large cities have such centers. Berlin, in fact, has 12 such
>   centers, one for each borough!
> 
>   Maybe you can find such an education center near you.


I wanted to set up something like that in NYC but I couldn't figure out
how to fund it.

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