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Re: Type conversions with the empty string

From Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Type conversions with the empty string
Date 2017-02-19 09:21 -0500
Organization Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID <o8c9m6$6fq$2@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink)
References (7 earlier) <slrnoa3rso.pvm.avl@logic.at> <slrnoa3sej.pvm.avl@logic.at> <6174cfc5-83af-4f1c-a83a-2b83a6f9af7a@googlegroups.com> <o8c7e7$bcf$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> <o8c9jv$6fq$1@gioia.aioe.org>

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On 2/19/2017 9:20 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 2/19/2017 8:45 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 2/19/2017 5:42 AM, lewbloch@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
>>>> Anyway, that's not the point of a few posts upthread, where the
>>>> point was about a scenario of someone messing with the JVM
>>>> itself, to get their own java.lang.String dummy in, e.g. to troll
>>>> some 3rd- party closed-source code.  People with that agenda are
>>>> not likely to care about laws (might even be a case of
>>>> DMCA-violation for those who live where it matters - so much for
>>>> "What law?").
>>>
>>> As far as I know, not being a lawyer, most countries respect the
>>> trademark and copyright laws that protect the use of `java.lang`
>>> and `javax.lang` packages.
>
>> You're correct.  You're not a lawyer.  There is nothing in either
>> trademark or copyright law which prevents you from replacing
>> something, as long as you don't use the original item.  They only
>> limit what you can do with the trademarked or copyrighted item.
>
> If we assume Oracle Java (which Lew seems to have done explicitly),
> the the logic is rather simple.
>
> The license states:
>
> <quote>
> Oracle grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
> without license fees to reproduce and use internally the Software
> complete and unmodified for the sole purpose of running Programs.</quote>
>
> <quote>
> Unless enforcement is prohibited by applicable law, you may not modify,
> decompile, or reverse engineer Software.
> </quote>
>
> The license prohibits modifications of the software.
>
> So:
>
> replacing java.lang.String => modified software => no Java license =>
> usage of all the other Java classes is copyright violation
>
> OpenJDK on the other side is covered by GPL license. So if the fake
> java.lang.String is under GPL, then copyright should be good.

GPL with classpath exception!

Arne

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Re: Type conversions with the empty string Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2017-01-29 17:57 +0100
  Re: Type conversions with the empty string Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2017-01-30 07:39 +0100
    Re: Type conversions with the empty string Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2017-01-30 10:08 +0100
      Re: Type conversions with the empty string Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2017-02-07 09:26 +0100
        Re: Type conversions with the empty string Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-02-07 08:34 +0000
        Re: Type conversions with the empty string lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-02-12 11:20 -0800
          Re: Type conversions with the empty string Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2017-02-13 08:40 +0100
            Re: Type conversions with the empty string Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-02-13 17:38 +0000
              Re: Type conversions with the empty string Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-02-13 17:48 +0000
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2017-02-16 10:53 +0100
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-02-19 02:42 -0800
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-19 08:45 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-19 09:20 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-19 09:21 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-19 10:51 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2017-02-19 19:55 +0100
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-19 15:55 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-19 23:31 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 08:39 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 06:10 -0800
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 09:54 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-20 10:25 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 11:02 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 08:45 -0800
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 14:46 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-02-20 12:23 -0800
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 16:31 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-20 11:58 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 14:46 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-20 15:45 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-20 15:54 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 20:31 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-19 09:13 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-02-19 14:43 +0000
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-19 10:11 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2017-02-19 15:20 +0000
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-19 10:53 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-19 23:24 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 08:43 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-20 10:16 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 11:03 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-20 12:00 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-20 14:49 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-20 15:47 -0500
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-02-20 22:18 -0800
                Re: Type conversions with the empty string Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-02-21 08:23 -0500
            Re: Type conversions with the empty string lewbloch@gmail.com - 2017-02-19 02:39 -0800
        Re: Type conversions with the empty string Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2017-02-13 12:46 -0500

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