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Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye

From	Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye
Date	2016-09-06 19:58 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 18:18:47 -0400, Eric Sosman wrote:

> On 9/5/2016 5:31 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:02:16 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>
>>> Oracle does not have much choice.
>>>
>>> The makers of browsers are dropping applet support.
>>>
>> Not only that, but they are steadily dropping support for ANYTHING they
>> didn't write, e.g xpdf, even though their internal PDF readers don't
>> work as well as the long-standing external equivalents.
>>
>>> Why maintain something that cannot be used by anyone.
>>>
>> Because their internal 'solutions' are crap?
> 
>      Just a bit more charitably, perhaps it's because they're sick
> and tired of getting bad press and bug reports for things they do not
> and cannot control.  "Stupid Google!  Your crappy Chrome crashes
> whenever I try to run this out-of-date version of Adobe Reader!" "Stupid
> Microsoft!  I got a ransomware infection simply by running a Java applet
> on your crappy Windows!"  (If you don't believe that complaints of this
> sort arise, get directed at the non-involved party, and lead to all
> kinds of flamage both on line and in print, you live in a nicer world
> than I do.)
>
What I'm complaining about is that frequently a browser's built-in way of 
displaying a file is the simplest thing they can get away with and in 
many cases this simply isn't adequate for serious use. 

For instance, the new Vivaldi browser, written by the original Opera 
developers, is potentially very good and quite a bit faster than Firefox, 
but in practise is almost unusable because you can only view files with 
the builtin tools. Its PDF viewer is woeful: doesn't provide any way to 
skip to a given page and is incapable of dealing with very long PDFs such 
as the NASA Columbia or the Dutch MH17 crash reports, respectively 248 
and 279 pages. In both cases it stalls when asked to load these PDFs. 
OTOH, other browsers, e.d Firefox or Pale Moon, don't have a built-in PDF 
viewer but DO let you choose to use evince, xpdf or to nominate another 
application. 

-- 
martin@   | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org       |

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Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-08-24 08:37 -0400
  How about 2K and 4K Displays? (Was: Kiss your Applet good-bye) j4n bur53 <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2016-08-24 16:38 +0200
    Re: How about 2K and 4K Displays? (Was: Kiss your Applet good-bye) j4n bur53 <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2016-08-24 16:44 +0200
    Re: How about 2K and 4K Displays? (Was: Kiss your Applet good-bye) Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-09-14 15:08 -0700
  Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2016-08-24 16:57 +0000
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:08 -0700
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-08-24 20:10 -0400
  Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-08-24 20:06 -0400
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 04:42 -0700
  Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-09-04 23:12 -0700
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-09-05 09:02 -0400
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-09-05 21:31 +0000
        Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-09-05 18:18 -0400
          Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Roedy Green <inquiry@mindprod.com> - 2016-09-06 12:08 -0700
            Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 13:17 -0700
              Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-09-06 19:27 -0400
            Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-09-06 19:24 -0400
          Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-09-06 19:58 +0000
            Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 13:08 -0700
            Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 13:55 -0700
              Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2016-09-06 22:28 +0000
  Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 12:44 -0700
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2016-10-14 15:52 -0400
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:07 -0700
    Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2016-10-15 15:08 -0400
      Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2017-10-03 13:54 -0700
        Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2017-10-04 07:25 +0800
          Re: Kiss your Applet good-bye Andreas Leitgeb <avl@logic.at> - 2017-10-04 08:09 +0000

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