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Re: A very dark day indeed :-(

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On 2/10/2016 8:27 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 8:27:55 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> The browser is used to launch the application but nothing more.
>>
> How do you configure your browser to launch a web start?  When I
> click the Launch links in Chrome it downloads a jnlp, and I'm sure I
> haven't changed a setting for that.  Chrome shows me my downloaded
> files at the bottom of the browser, so I can click it there to
> launch,

That is having the browser launch Java Web Start.

So you have it working.

>        or I can browse Windows Explorer to my downloads folder and
> launch from there.

That is not having the browser launch Java Web Start.

>               Regardless, the web start is not actually running
> in the browser,

True but "launching" and "running in" are two very different things.

>>>> Java Web Start never became a success.
>>>>
>>> How so? reference?  I've been using web start, I would guess
>>> roughly 8 years now.
>>
>> It is based on: - very few questions here and in other Java fora -
>> very few job ads asking for it - very few public known examples of
>> usage
>>
> That has nothing to do with web start 'never becoming a success'.
> How can you say companies don't use web start just because you
> haven't heard about it?  It's a framework, not a language.  There are
> plenty of questions and job ads for Java.  My JNLP requires very
> little maintenance.  All it does is tell the client where my web
> server is, so they can download the current jars to run the Java app,
> and they can connect to another JVM on that server using sockets.
> You probably won't see many questions about gas pedals on a car
> forum, that doesn't mean no one uses them.

If something is used a lot then the questions tend to be asked, jobs
ads requiring the skills, blogs about its usage posted, constant
enhancements from the vendor etc..

If some programming technology is practically invisible, then I expect
it to be little used - not that it has some special characteristic
that makes it live invisible.

The car analogy is not good.

Java Web Start is discussed less than other Java technologies (applets,
JPA etc.) in Java forums.

I think gas pedal is discussed as much as break pedal, gear changer,
trunk lid etc. in a car forum.

>>>> And I think that what most people think about when they hear
>>>> Java Web Start is the case where JNLP and Java Web Start is
>>>> used to run applets.
>>>>
>>>> But that is really only a very special case.
>>>>
>>>> And even though I have not seen it described anywhere then I
>>>> would expect this possibility to be dropped together with
>>>> classic applet support.
>>>
>>> reference?  I've never heard of that case, though it sounds more
>>> secure than applets started from a browser since you had to run
>>> the jnlp and acknowledge the security prompt authorizing the
>>> vendor to get there.
>>
>> Reference to what?
>>
> reference to your suggestion that web start is (only?) used to run
> applets.  I've never heard of it being used for that, much less only
> used for that.

Oh - my claim was not that the most users of Java Web Start used
it for applets - my claim was that most users of Java considered
Java Web Start (and JNLP) to be an applet thing without using
either.

A very large portion of Java developers tried writing a simple
Java applet when they learned Java. And I think they noted
that SUN/Oracle in the documentation started recommending
using JNLP to launch applets.

Arne

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A very dark day indeed :-( Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 19:36 +0800
  Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 08:45 -0500
  Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2016-02-08 14:50 +0100
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 12:37 -0500
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 12:55 -0500
      Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-09 05:39 +0800
        Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 17:22 -0500
          Re: A very dark day indeed :-( maherrj@googlemail.com - 2016-02-08 17:08 -0800
            Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 20:30 -0500
              Re: A very dark day indeed :-( maherrj@googlemail.com - 2016-02-08 18:31 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 22:02 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( maherrj@googlemail.com - 2016-02-08 20:04 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:18 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:55 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 06:32 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 05:27 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 15:24 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 06:38 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 16:00 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 07:20 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 16:39 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 07:50 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 17:16 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:40 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 06:28 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 17:21 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 22:03 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-11 09:33 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 05:32 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-11 15:42 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 21:58 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2016-02-09 15:59 +0000
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 17:24 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2016-02-09 16:30 +0000
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 01:47 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 08:55 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 01:59 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:48 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 17:35 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 22:05 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-11 09:39 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:30 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:28 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:27 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 05:27 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 22:23 -0500
      Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 13:58 -0800
        Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 17:20 -0500
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2016-02-08 19:44 +0100
      Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 14:06 -0500
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Brixomatic <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-10 22:39 +0100

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