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Re: A very dark day indeed :-(

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On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:39:13 AM UTC-5, Silvio wrote:
> On 02/09/2016 04:20 PM, Eric Douglas wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 10:01:05 AM UTC-5, Silvio wrote:
> >> No, it does not work at all. It is not a security prompt but a plain
> >> "save file as" dialog I get with any content type my browser does not
> >> understand. Apart from a saved jnlp file there is nothing I can do from
> >> there. Never any mention of running a Java application.
> >>
> >> Double clicking the file does nothing. Running the "file" command on it
> >> reveals nothing but the fact that it is an ASCII encoded XML 1.0 file.
> >
> > You have a JRE installed?  You have the jnlp extension associated with Java?
> >
> > If you get a command prompt and manually pass the file (either using full paths or having the exe and the jnlp in current directory) it should work
> >> javaws.exe treedemo.jnlp
> 
> silvio@mizuno:~$ java -version
> openjdk version "1.8.0_01-internal"
> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_01-internal-b15)
> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.01-b15, mixed mode)
> 
> No, that is just my point. The standard OpenJDK for Ubuntu does not even 
> include support for JNLP. An additional package called "icedtea-netx" 
> has to be installed. The percentage of computers with a JDK installed is 
> low already, adding the requirement that people have jumped through 
> additional hoops makes it even less likely the application will run. And 
> let's not even talk about tablets and smartphones running Android or IOS.
> 
> I used to do some heavy lifting Applets as graphical parts of some 
> mostly-web applications around 2001. Did some experimenting with JNLP 
> not long after that but soon gave up on the idea and moved to web-only 
> applications.
> 
> I really sympathize with the ideas from back then but lets be honest: 
> those times have passed and will never come back. Time to move on. I am 
> inclined to say "good riddance" because the reputation of Java the 
> platform has suffered a lot from half-heartedly supporting this stuff 
> for way too long. Let's hope they just do not keep dragging along the 
> still-born FX stuff.

Web start is for the JRE, which is for the desktop.  This has nothing to do with JDK much less Android or iOS.  Oracle makes a JRE for Windows, Unix, and OSX.  I would think most people have this installed.  Web/app programs that run on tablets/phones are a completely different topic.  Android has it's own Java.  I don't know about Java on iOS, but you can always run server side Java and talk to iOS devices with a servlet.

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A very dark day indeed :-( Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 19:36 +0800
  Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 08:45 -0500
  Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2016-02-08 14:50 +0100
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 12:37 -0500
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 12:55 -0500
      Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-09 05:39 +0800
        Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 17:22 -0500
          Re: A very dark day indeed :-( maherrj@googlemail.com - 2016-02-08 17:08 -0800
            Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 20:30 -0500
              Re: A very dark day indeed :-( maherrj@googlemail.com - 2016-02-08 18:31 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 22:02 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( maherrj@googlemail.com - 2016-02-08 20:04 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:18 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:55 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 06:32 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 05:27 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 15:24 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 06:38 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 16:00 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 07:20 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 16:39 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 07:50 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 17:16 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:40 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 06:28 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 17:21 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 22:03 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-11 09:33 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 05:32 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-11 15:42 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 21:58 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2016-02-09 15:59 +0000
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-09 17:24 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2016-02-09 16:30 +0000
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 01:47 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 08:55 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 01:59 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:48 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-10 17:35 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 22:05 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2016-02-11 09:39 +0100
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:30 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:28 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-09 20:27 -0500
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 05:27 -0800
                Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-10 22:23 -0500
      Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 13:58 -0800
        Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 17:20 -0500
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2016-02-08 19:44 +0100
      Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2016-02-08 14:06 -0500
    Re: A very dark day indeed :-( Brixomatic <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-10 22:39 +0100

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