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Re: Java primitive variable objects

From	Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject	Re: Java primitive variable objects
Date	2015-11-10 22:19 -0500
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On 11/10/2015 9:56 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 8:26 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 11/9/2015 7:38 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2015 7:52 AM, Eric Douglas wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:21:54 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> In the 90's you should have been taught Pascal and/or C++ (which
>>>>> both has enums) if the school had been following trends.
>>>>
>>>> I've never heard of either of those being used for business
>>>> applications.
>>>> I went to college from 1993 to 1996.  Most companies were using COBOL.
>>>> I did have one intro to C++ course.
>>>
>>> Universities are supposed to teach students something that will help
>>> them through a career of 40-45 years.
>>
>> That's hard to do in any of the sciences today.  The world is changing
>> too quickly.
> 
> Yes and no.
> 
> Specific stuff is changing very rapidly.
> 
> Basic concepts does not change.
>

Incorrect.  For instance, OO and relational databases did not exist when
I was in college.  Basic concepts DO change.

> Which is exactly my point - universities should teach the basic
> concepts not the specific stuff that are obsolete next year.
> 
>>> At that time I think it both made sense and was common to use
>>> Pascal or C++.
>>>
>>
>> PASCAL has never been big in business.  C++ is to some extent, but still
>> not as popular as C.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> But again - it is not the universities job to teach the languages
> that the industry need this year or this decade - it is their job
> to teach stuff that will remain useful.
> 
> Pascal and C++ was good languages for that at the time.
> 
> Today Java and Python would be more suited.
> 

Neither Java nor Python score in the top programming languages wanted
today.  Java was more popular 20 years ago, but has fallen to some
extent.  And Python is really only popular for websites, and not that
much there.

>>> C and C++ was already making serious inroads into business. And
>>> everybody knew that OO would be the big thing - it was just
>>> not clear what languages it would be besides C++.
>>
>> Not in the financial sector, it isn't - which includes banks, insurance
>> companies, governments, and many, many more.  It still can't beat
>> COBOL's packed decimal datatype for numeric operations.  And OO is good
>> for a lot of things, but it's definitely not the answer to everything
>> programming.
> 
> Sorry to burst your bubble, but try look at what banks are actual
> looking for.
> 
> JP Morgan:
> 
> 825 jobs requiring Java
> 22 jobs requiring COBOL
> 
> Bank of America:
> 
> 99 jobs requiring Java
> 9 jobs requiring COBOL
> 
> Citigroup:
> 
> 577 jobs requiring Java
> 14 jobs requiring COBOL
> 
> Banks seems to be doing fine with OO and Java
> 
> (I will assume that they typical use BigDecimal for money)
> 
> Arne
> 
> 

Again, you think job listings on dice.com are an indication.  They are
not.  For instance - I used to have Bank of America as one of my
clients.  COBOL is very heavily used by them, and they have far more
COBOL programmers than anyone else.

The difference is - COBOL programmers at banks get good pay, good
benefits, and good retirement.  There is very little turnover of COBOL
programmers at large companies.

Your "evidence" more shows what isn't in much demand because the jobs
are short-term and unstable.

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Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:11 -0800
  Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-02 14:15 -0500
    Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 13:03 -0800
      Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-02 16:29 -0500
  Re: Java primitive variable objects Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2015-11-02 22:46 +0100
    Re: Java primitive variable objects Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2015-11-02 22:52 +0100
    Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-02 17:47 -0500
  Re: Java primitive variable objects Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2015-11-05 22:19 +0100
    Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:31 -0800
      Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-07 22:21 -0500
        Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 04:52 -0800
          Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 08:54 -0500
            Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 07:27 -0800
              Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 10:51 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 08:28 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 11:57 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:13 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-09 13:28 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 14:53 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2015-11-10 09:27 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> - 2015-11-09 10:44 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-09 18:59 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 15:02 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-09 22:57 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 19:16 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-09 20:55 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 22:13 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-09 20:40 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 22:23 -0500
          Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-09 14:00 +0000
            Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 07:18 -0800
              Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-09 20:43 -0500
          Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-09 19:38 -0500
            Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 20:26 -0500
              Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 02:10 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 22:12 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 13:01 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-10 12:23 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 10:10 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-10 22:08 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 20:05 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 13:21 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 23:30 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-10 20:58 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-11-10 22:30 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-10 21:58 -0500
              Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-10 21:56 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-10 22:19 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-10 22:42 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-10 23:07 -0500
            Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 06:06 -0800
  Re: Java primitive variable objects Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 14:47 -0800

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