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On 11/9/2015 9:10 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:26:53 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> 
>> On 11/9/2015 7:38 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> Universities are supposed to teach students something that will help
>>> them through a career of 40-45 years.
>>>
>>>
>> That's hard to do in any of the sciences today.  The world is changing
>> too quickly.
>>
> Yes, but its what a *University* should be doing - and apparently a 
> number of US State universities weren't doing it in the 70s and haven't 
> changed their ways 20 years later, as confirmed by ED. The question is: 
> have they changed since then.
>

It's hard for a university to teach students something that won't even
exist for 20 years.  For instance, when I was in college, there was no
C, much less C++.  So how was my university supposed to teach it?

> In NZ, where I got my degree, and in the UK computer science degrees have 
> certainly taught programming languages, but as tools that let students 
> get hands-on experience of the non language-specific skills that the 
> degree is meant to teach them. Things such as the elements of hardware 
> and software architecture, systems analysis principles (not how to use 
> SSADM, Bootch or Rational Rose), modular program decomposition (not how 
> to look up design patterns). IOW, they're teaching general principles and 
> problem solving - skills which *can* serve you well throughout a career.
> 

We learned that, also.  But we didn't learn object oriented programming,
for instance - another concept which didn't exist at the time.  The same
with relational databases, SQL and any number of concepts we use
regularly today.

> I'd call any school that simply taught coding in a programming language a 
> polytech: its certainly not a University, at least not the sort of 
> University I attended.
>  

It wasn't the type I attended, either.

>>> At that time I think it both made sense and was common to use Pascal or
>>> C++.
>>>
> Yes, Pascal has always been a popular teaching language. In addition to 
> the reasons already given, algorithms expressed in it are very easy to 
> read by anybody who knows any block-structured language. Take a look at 
> Sedgewick: "Algorithms" - a book that belongs in any serious programmer's 
> library. It uses Pascal and I know, from personal experience that I can 
> transcribe its algorithms directly into C. It should be equally easy to 
> transcribe its Pascal code into Java, C++ or Python.
> 
>> PASCAL has never been big in business.  C++ is to some extent, but still
>> not as popular as C.
>>
> I think it depends what you're doing, though I agree about Pascal. If 
> you're writing, say, business domain-specific message switches, ATM or 
> EFTPOS network controllers or almost any very high volume application 
> you'll probably choose C with Java and C++ in 2nd rank due to their 
> generally larger support libraries and related overheads.
>    
>>> Even though COBOLwas still very popular at that time, then it was
>>> obvious that it would not stay that way.
>>>
>>>
>> It is still the most commonly used language in the world.
>>
> And, within the application domain it was designed for, it may still be 
> the best. As I've said before, how many lines would it take in any other 
> language to format a financial in the way described by 
> 
>  77 MY-VALUE      COMP SYNC RIGHT PIC $$,$$$,$$0.99DB BLANK WHEN ZERO.
> 
> 

Or, take it 4 more places to each the left and right, yet  maintain
accuracy.


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  Re: Java primitive variable objects Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2015-11-05 22:19 +0100
    Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:31 -0800
      Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-07 22:21 -0500
        Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 04:52 -0800
          Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 08:54 -0500
            Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 07:27 -0800
              Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 10:51 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 08:28 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 11:57 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:13 -0800
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                Re: Java primitive variable objects Nigel Wade <nmw@ion.le.ac.uk> - 2015-11-10 09:27 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects "Jeffrey H. Coffield" <jeffrey@digitalsynergyinc.com> - 2015-11-09 10:44 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-09 18:59 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 15:02 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-09 22:57 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 19:16 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-09 20:55 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 22:13 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-09 20:40 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 22:23 -0500
          Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-09 14:00 +0000
            Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 07:18 -0800
              Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-09 20:43 -0500
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            Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 20:26 -0500
              Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 02:10 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-09 22:12 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 13:01 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-10 12:23 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 10:10 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-10 22:08 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 20:05 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Eric Douglas <e.d.programmer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 13:21 -0800
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-11-10 23:30 +0000
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-10 20:58 -0500
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                Re: Java primitive variable objects Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-11-10 22:42 -0500
                Re: Java primitive variable objects Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-11-10 23:07 -0500
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