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From	Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid>
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On 7/11/2014 5:30 PM, blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote:
> In article <lp3p8f$s8v$1@dont-email.me>,
> Eric Sosman  <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> wrote:
>> On 7/3/2014 9:01 AM, w.tom.adams@gmail.com wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> One question I have is this:  Why is Javascript not as vulnerable as Java Applets?
>>
>>       Experts (I'm not one) have opined that the security models for
>> JavaScript and Java are fundamentally different.  JavaScript (they
>> say) was designed from its infancy to run in a browser's sandbox,
>> but Java is a fully-functional general-purpose language with a
>> sandbox bolted on afterwards.
>
> Hm!  I thought I had read, back when I first started learning Java
> (1998?), that one of the original design goals of the language was
> to provide just the kind of sandbox that would make it safe to run
> applets from possibly-untrustworthy sources, and its evoluation into
> a general-purpose language came later.  But I haven't researched
> the history, so you could be right.

     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_%28programming_language%29>
lists "robust and secure" as one of five primary goals for Java,
but it's not clear whether these goals were "original" or just sort
of retrofitted after Java/Green/Oak moved beyond set-top boxes.
Also, it seems to me that each of the five goals offers at least
some opportunity to meditate on the difference between "goal" and
"achievement," and to mutter the old saying that one's reach should
exceed one's grasp ...

     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Java> offers a few
words on Java security, although some of the gripes seem to have more
to do with Oracle's support of Java than with Java itself.  The page
at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_security> gets more specific
about particular flaws and exploits thereof.  (I imagine a security
expert might have a few quibbles with the latter page, though.)

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid

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How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-02 10:41 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 14:01 -0400
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-02 21:14 -0400
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-02 23:00 -0400
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:01 -0700
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-03 08:54 -0500
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:20 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-03 10:27 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 21:30 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 18:22 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:19 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-11 17:34 -0500
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 23:21 +0000
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:23 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 09:59 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:28 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 12:37 +0200
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-09 19:33 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 20:01 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-10 20:24 +0200
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:30 -0400
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:12 -0400
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:24 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-03 06:37 +0800
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:07 -0700
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-03 06:13 -0700
        News Reader (was: Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly) Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-04 08:02 +0200
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-03 21:07 +0200
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-04 02:55 -0700
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-06 12:26 -0400
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 19:43 -0500
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 20:58 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-11 22:29 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-11 23:01 -0400
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:00 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org> - 2014-07-11 23:13 -0500
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:07 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:11 +0100
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2014-07-14 18:36 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2014-07-14 19:32 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:09 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:03 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-08-19 22:18 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:43 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-20 06:50 +0800
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 19:01 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-12 13:47 +0000
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:08 -0400
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 00:36 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 21:03 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 01:24 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:12 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:23 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:31 -0700
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-08-21 06:17 +0800
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 22:46 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 23:23 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-15 10:49 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 13:13 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:21 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:27 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-08-20 10:32 -0700
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:17 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-12 11:04 -0400
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-13 07:30 +0800
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 03:15 -0700
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:49 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-13 10:55 -0400
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly w.tom.adams@gmail.com - 2014-07-14 06:48 -0700
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-15 08:16 -0700
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-08-15 06:29 -0700
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Tom Adams <tadamsmar@gmail.com> - 2014-07-13 15:54 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:20 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-05 16:22 -0700
  Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 10:28 +0200
    Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Richard Maher <maher_rjSPAMLESS@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-07 17:29 +0800
      Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-07 11:54 +0200
        Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 10:01 +0000
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 12:21 +0200
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 11:02 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 13:13 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:27 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-08 14:28 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 12:36 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-08 08:58 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-08 13:21 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 13:11 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-09 11:48 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 14:10 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly castal00n <casta-.l00n_3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 12:22 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 15:57 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 18:09 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 16:32 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Lars Enderin <lars.enderin@telia.com> - 2014-07-10 19:20 +0200
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 17:32 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 21:31 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 22:45 +0000
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                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:41 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:50 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:44 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:50 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:34 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:33 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:40 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:45 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 18:51 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-10 17:14 -0500
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 22:20 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-10 18:47 -0500
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:51 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 19:46 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly ĵess stone <jess.st0ne@gmail.com> - 2014-07-10 23:54 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:32 +0100
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-14 18:37 +0000
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-08 09:00 -0500
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-08 21:40 +0200
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-08 15:03 -0500
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2014-07-09 00:28 +0200
          Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-10 14:31 -0400
            Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-11 12:33 +0200
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-07-11 11:01 +0000
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-11 12:15 -0700
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-08-19 16:27 -0400
                Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly thinbluernime <thinbluernime3@gmail.com> - 2014-08-19 21:29 +0000
              Re: How to make my java applets more user friendly "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-14 13:39 +0100

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