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Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes

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On 12/17/2013 03:09 PM, Wanja Gayk wrote:
> In article <g4nru.546685$nC5.145367@fx06.iad>, Arved Sandstrom
> (asandstrom2@eastlink.ca) says...
>
>> No aspersion on the M-F 9-5 programmers, Arne. But by definition M-F 9-5
>> programmers have made a decision - not something I will heavily
>> criticize - to confine their work to work hours, and keep their free
>> time for family and leisure. As such they don't spend nearly as much
>> time on off-hours professional education (if any), and we all know that
>> work hours don't lend themselves to professional education either.
>
> To put it bluntly, this is nonsense. You can't generalize like that.

Sure I can generalize like that. When I refer to a programmer as a M-F 
9-5 programmer, it's not a slur, it's a straightforward definition of a 
programmer who only practices his trade M-F 9-5. It then follows - from 
the definition - that they don't study programming on their own time. 
I'm not making a value judgment here, I'm objectively stating that there 
are software developers with different priorities.

> I do work M-F 9-5, but I do take my time on the job to educate myself
> from time to time, simply because it is part of my job to know what I'm
> doing.

We all do, within reason. Note the "within reason": there is knowledge 
that it's OK to acquire on employer time, and knowledge that isn't.

But as soon as I'm at home, I've seen enough code for the day,
> except maybe some nice video, book or presentation on programming
> catches my attention.

That's fine. It may even be a healthy approach. I wasn't busting on M-F 
9-5 programmers per se. If you can execute on the job no employer cares 
whether you spend your time watching football or perusing programming 
articles.

> On the other hand I've seen self-employed consultants who don't give a
> flying fuck about the quality of their work, they come into a project,
> get it to work just well enough to not cause major mayhem, and leave a
> pile of stinking source code behind for the next one to deal with it,
> while they enjoy puking into the next customer's version control system.
> Not my kind of work ethics, I might add.
>
> W
>
Not my kind of work ethics either. In my experience however you've got 
that kind of person equally represented amongst self-employed 
consultants, company-employed consultants, and straight in-house employees.

AHS
-- 
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign:
that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
-- Jonathan Swift

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Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Sebastian <news@seyweiler.dyndns.org> - 2013-12-04 20:07 +0100
  Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Sven Köhler <remove-sven.koehler@gmail.com> - 2013-12-04 22:27 +0200
    Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Patrick Roemer <sangamon@netcologne.de> - 2013-12-05 00:38 +0100
    Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes v_borchert@despammed.com (Volker Borchert) - 2013-12-04 23:45 +0000
  Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2013-12-06 13:28 -0800
    Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-14 16:46 -0500
  Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-14 03:13 -0400
    Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2013-12-14 12:03 +0000
      Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-14 17:02 -0500
        Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-15 14:33 -0400
    Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2013-12-14 17:00 -0500
      Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-15 15:05 -0400
        Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-17 20:09 +0100
          Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-20 22:28 -0400
            Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-21 11:54 +0000
              Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2013-12-21 18:27 +0100
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-21 18:23 +0000
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Tim Slattery <tim@risingdove.com> - 2013-12-21 14:56 -0500
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-21 20:10 +0000
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-21 21:18 +0000
              Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-21 14:52 -0400
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-21 19:35 +0000
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Arved Sandstrom <asandstrom2@eastlink.ca> - 2013-12-21 19:34 -0400
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes leif.roar@invalid.com (Leif Roar Moldskred) - 2013-12-22 05:02 -0600
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes lipska the kat <"lipskathekat at yahoo dot co dot uk"> - 2013-12-22 11:12 +0000
                Re: Java 8 closures vs. anonymous inner classes Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2013-12-22 21:24 +0100

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