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| Date | 2014-07-23 16:23 +0200 |
|---|---|
| From | Silvio <silvio@internet.com> |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: Java blunders |
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On 07/23/2014 01:44 PM, Roedy Green wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 21:02:07 -0500, Joshua Cranmer ?
> <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
> who said :
>
>>
>> C. On the balance, I think matching curly braces is superior to
>> begin/end-ish constructs. If you're spending too much time trying to
>> figure out where you have an extra or a missing curly brace, then, quite
>> frankly, your IDE is defective. My IDE points out matching curly braces
>> and can even fold them based on appropriate matching, and it has been
>> able to do so since before Java was invented. Possibly since before I
>> was born, even.
>
> I find sorting out braces is by far the most-time consuming busywork
> in preparing Java source. It is not fun. It is just irritating.
>
> I have a problem with IntelliJ. I want to tidy the code to help
> visually sort out the brace misbalance problem. However, if I invoke
> the tidier on an program of imperfect syntax, it often does horrible
> violence.
>
> I have even written some tools for balancing in pernicious cases.
> http://mindprod.com/products1.html#BRACEBALANCER
> http://mindprod.com/products1.html#MASMBALANCER
>
>
> If you could pin down certain braces as having a given function (e.g.
> end method, that will not be disturbed by a stray } or one
> accidentally hidden by a //. The IDE could go right to the problem,
> and suggest a fix.
>
> In JDisplay, my program for colourising and fontifying Java source
> code for display on the Internet, it use bigger braces on the outside
> and smaller ones in the inside. This helps visually balance them.
>
> I suppose with a fancier parser I could make the braces subtly
> different colours, so you can more easily tell an end loop from an end
> method or an end if. You might not even consciously notice it.
>
> I could imagine an IDE of the future have set of glyphs it uses in
> place of {} to tell you the function of the {} it gleaned. You just
> type {} as always. You might also do things with the backgrounds to
> demark blocks
>
Much of the pain of matching braces (both typing and proof-reading)
disappears when you change
if (IHadAHammer) {
IdHammerInTheMorning();
}
to
if (IHadABell)
{
IdRingItInTheMorning();
}
I never understood why anyone would use the former form. The Scala world
adopted the funky end-of-line opening brace from Java and the only
argument I ever got was that it is one source line less and makes deep
nesting (which is considered fine in Scala although it is frowned upon
by many Java programmers) less type-costly.
Matching braces are always in the same column and nested ones are
indented by K columns along with the nested content.
Looking at any such large nested piece of code from five yards on a
high-res screen I can spot a brace mismatch in a split-second.
But that is a whole different religious war I getting myself into...
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Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-22 11:41 -0700
Re: Java blunders Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte.net> - 2014-07-22 21:12 +0200
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Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-23 04:14 -0700
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Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-23 04:23 -0700
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Re: Java blunders Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-23 19:53 -0400
Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-23 18:49 -0700
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Re: Java blunders Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-07-28 23:17 +0000
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-29 13:34 +0200
Re: Java blunders Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-07-29 12:45 +0000
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-29 17:10 +0200
Re: Java blunders Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-07-29 16:29 +0000
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Re: Java blunders Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-07-29 22:02 +0000
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-29 22:43 +0200
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Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-23 16:23 +0200
Re: Java blunders Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-23 12:02 -0400
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-24 11:37 +0200
Re: Java blunders Josip Almasi <joe@vrspace.org> - 2014-07-28 22:37 +0200
Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-23 09:33 -0700
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Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-23 18:59 -0700
Re: Java blunders Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2014-07-24 07:33 +0000
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-24 11:47 +0200
Re: Java blunders Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-24 19:34 -0400
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-25 08:48 +0200
Re: Java blunders Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-25 08:07 -0400
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Re: Java blunders Josip Almasi <joe@vrspace.org> - 2014-07-28 22:01 +0200
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Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-23 06:28 -0700
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Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-23 19:06 -0700
Re: Java blunders Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-23 22:11 -0500
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Re: Java blunders Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2014-07-23 15:14 -0400
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Re: Java blunders Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-25 20:34 -0500
Re: Java blunders "Chris Uppal" <chris.uppal@metagnostic.REMOVE-THIS.org> - 2014-07-28 13:33 +0100
Re: Java blunders Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2014-07-28 08:35 -0500
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Re: Java blunders Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-23 20:48 -0700
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-24 11:56 +0200
Re: Java blunders Silvio <silvio@internet.com> - 2014-07-24 16:07 +0200
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Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-26 10:02 -0700
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Re: Java blunders Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2014-07-25 13:45 -0700
Re: Java blunders Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2014-07-26 10:53 -0700
Re: Java blunders Wanja Gayk <brixomatic@yahoo.com> - 2014-07-25 01:28 +0200
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Re: Java blunders Josip Almasi <joe@vrspace.org> - 2014-07-29 00:41 +0200
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Re: Java blunders Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-31 22:38 -0400
Re: Java blunders Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2014-07-31 22:39 -0400
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