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  Re: Are Computer able to think? David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2014-05-25 18:38 +0100
    Re: Are Computer able to think? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-05-25 19:47 +0200
      Re: Are Computer able to think? David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2014-05-25 19:19 +0100
        Re: Are Computer able to think? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-05-25 20:50 +0200
          Re: Are Computer able to think? "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-05-26 18:50 +0100
            Re: Are Computer able to think? David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2014-05-26 20:42 +0100
      Re: Are Computer able to think? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-25 16:31 -0400
        Re: Are Computer able to think? Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-05-25 22:36 +0200
        Re: Are Computer able to think? HaveANiceDay <HaveANiceDay@NoSpam.invalid> - 2014-05-28 16:54 +0200
    Re: Are Computer able to think? "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-25 16:36 -0400

#30697 — Re: Are Computer able to think?

visualforth@rocketmail.com writes:

> Are Computer(s) able to think? I like to read your opinion.
>

As a thought experiment, create a very powerful computer, simulate a
world with autonomous entities in it, wait for intelligence to
evolve. Yes, I think computers could theoretically be capable of
thought. Whether they can currently I doubt it. But reading Iain
M. Banks will do for the time being.

What is thought? A process which reacts to its environment? Is the
process part of the environment?

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#30698

On Sun, 25 May 2014 18:38:22 +0100
David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> wrote:

> visualforth@rocketmail.com writes:
> 
> > Are Computer(s) able to think? I like to read your opinion.
> >
> 
> As a thought experiment, create a very powerful computer, simulate a
> world with autonomous entities in it, wait for intelligence to
> evolve. Yes, I think computers could theoretically be capable of
> thought. Whether they can currently I doubt it. But reading Iain
> M. Banks will do for the time being.

There is no algorithm for making algorithms. We are not algorithm.

> 
> What is thought? A process which reacts to its environment? Is the
> process part of the environment?



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#30699

Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes:

>
> There is no algorithm for making algorithms. We are not algorithm.
>

How do you know we are not algorithm? Do you think there is something
undesirable about being algorithm? What are we? Are we off topic for
forth?

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#30700

On Sun, 25 May 2014 19:19:07 +0100
David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> wrote:

> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes:
> 
> >
> > There is no algorithm for making algorithms. We are not algorithm.
> >
> 
> How do you know we are not algorithm?

Algorithm can't create algorithm. Algorithms cannot be creative...

 Do you think there is something
> undesirable about being algorithm?

No.

> What are we?

We can execute algorithms alright, but our
creativity part is not algorithm.

 Are we off topic for
> forth?

Perhaps not ;)
> 



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#30760

on 25/05/2014 19:50:09, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Sun, 25 May 2014 19:19:07 +0100
> David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> wrote:
> 
>> Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes:
>>
>> >
>> > There is no algorithm for making algorithms. We are not algorithm.
>> >
>>
>> How do you know we are not algorithm?
> 
> Algorithm can't create algorithm. Algorithms cannot be creative...

Don't you find it odd that you are arguing with David Hume? He may be
right, you know, and he (or at least, his namesake) discussed creativity
in "An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding".

<quote>
But though our thought seems to possess this unbounded liberty, we shall
find, upon a nearer examination, that it is really confined within very
narrow limits, and that all this creative power of the mind amounts to no
more than the faculty of compounding, transposing, augmenting, or
diminishing the materials afforded us by the senses and experience.
</quote>

> 
> Do you think there is something
>> undesirable about being algorithm?
> 
> No.
> 
>> What are we?
> 
> We can execute algorithms alright, but our
> creativity part is not algorithm.
> 
> Are we off topic for
>> forth?
> 
> Perhaps not ;)
>>
> 
> 
> 

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#30776

"Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> writes:

> Don't you find it odd that you are arguing with David Hume? He may be

David Hume is not my real name, I chose it in honour of our great
philosopher.

I wonder what programming language he would like if he were alive today?
I hope he would be a pragmatist like me and select the best one for the
job.

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#30712

On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:47:04 -0400, Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:

> We are not algorithm.

DNA would say otherwise.

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#30715

On Sun, 25 May 2014 16:31:10 -0400
"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:47:04 -0400, Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> 
> > We are not algorithm.
> 
> DNA would say otherwise.

I saw mathematical proof that algorithm for making algorithms does
not exists back in 1987...
It was mathematical logic class , proof is based on that that
there is no algorithm for proving some kind of logic formulas.
I remember this as it was yesterday.

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#30892

"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> wrote:

> On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:47:04 -0400, Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> 
> > We are not algorithm.
> 
> DNA would say otherwise.

How could a library (that's what DNA is, AFAIK, NOT an OS) tell you what you are?

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#30714

On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:38:22 -0400, David Hume <David.Hume@example.com>  
wrote:

> As a thought experiment, create a very powerful computer, simulate a
> world with autonomous entities in it, wait for intelligence to
> evolve.

As a thought experiment, calculate how large our universe is in terms
a cube composed of 1Kg lead blocks.  Then, calculate how large it is
at the atomic level.  Then, ask yourself just how could a computer
represent such an immensity.  The computer would need to be even
more immense than what it represents.


Rod Pemberton

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