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| Started by | Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2014-04-04 10:26 -0700 |
| Last post | 2014-12-02 04:54 +0100 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 432 — 42 participants |
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Epic Fail Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-04-04 10:26 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-04 12:42 -0500
Re: Epic Fail forthisit@gmail.com - 2014-04-04 11:09 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-04 22:09 +0100
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-04 21:44 -1000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-05 09:42 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-05 10:47 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-05 15:25 -0400
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 17:29 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 12:35 -0700
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-08 15:54 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-08 12:43 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-09 16:16 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-09 13:00 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-09 21:08 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-09 15:17 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-10 00:17 +0200
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-09 22:42 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-10 00:06 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-10 16:00 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-10 22:35 +0200
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-10 17:51 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-10 21:44 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-11 23:10 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-12 06:18 -0400
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-12 06:23 -0400
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-12 10:52 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-04-12 20:14 +0200
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-12 19:21 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-13 12:25 -0500
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-13 20:33 -0400
Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-12 16:12 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-12 09:48 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-12 10:23 -0700
Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-12 19:51 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-12 13:00 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-12 10:29 -0700
Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-12 19:56 +0000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 00:25 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-13 10:50 +0100
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 16:53 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-04-14 02:32 +0200
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 17:59 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-14 02:00 +0100
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 18:30 -0700
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-13 14:21 +0000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 21:12 -0700
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-23 12:49 +0000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:02 -0700
Automatic scoping of locals (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-29 14:49 +0000
Re: Automatic scoping of locals (was: Epic Fail) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-05-02 22:28 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-10 03:04 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-11 17:23 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-11 21:42 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-11 16:13 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-11 22:15 +0200
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-13 16:10 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-13 18:42 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-13 23:44 +0200
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-13 20:33 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-14 04:05 -0500
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-14 09:57 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-14 11:56 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-14 14:53 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 07:26 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-14 21:21 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-15 04:07 -0500
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-14 09:55 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-14 22:04 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-15 04:10 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 02:40 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-15 06:41 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 06:20 -0700
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-15 12:21 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 06:30 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-15 20:04 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-15 23:50 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-15 21:31 -1000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-16 05:55 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-16 14:50 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Alexander Skobelev <al.skobelev@gmail.com> - 2014-04-16 06:06 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-19 17:44 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-20 11:35 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-16 00:19 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-16 05:29 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-16 22:45 -0400
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-14 09:49 +0000
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-23 13:07 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-23 20:16 -0400
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-23 14:41 -1000
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-24 17:10 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-24 15:14 -0400
@ and optimization (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 08:40 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-25 06:13 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 15:26 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 09:03 -0700
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 17:45 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-25 11:15 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 17:22 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 04:38 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 11:38 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 14:35 +0200
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 09:59 -0500
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 10:14 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 15:30 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:05 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 17:27 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:39 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 18:07 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 03:24 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-27 13:00 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 11:18 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-28 15:12 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 03:52 -0500
Re: @ and optimization Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 03:09 -0700
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 09:24 -0500
Re: @ and optimization "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-29 08:36 -1000
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 10:18 +0000
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-29 14:38 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 10:21 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-29 15:41 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-29 12:26 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 10:44 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 09:18 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 17:48 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 03:55 -0500
Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-01 14:21 +0200
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 10:11 -0500
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-01 14:20 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 12:38 -0500
Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 20:17 +0200
Re: @ and optimization stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-29 19:21 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 23:20 +0200
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 03:02 -0500
Re: @ and optimization Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 20:55 +0200
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 03:28 -0500
Re: @ and optimization albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-27 13:31 +0000
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-28 15:27 +0000
Re: @ and optimization albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-27 13:23 +0000
Re: @ and optimization hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:32 -0700
Re: @ and optimization "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 08:50 -0400
Re: @ and optimization "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-26 22:52 +0100
Re: @ and optimization "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 20:33 -0400
Re: @ and optimization "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-27 11:53 +0100
Re: @ and optimization "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 01:05 -0400
Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-25 21:34 +0100
Re: @ and optimization Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-25 13:37 -0700
Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-25 22:03 +0100
Re: @ and optimization anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 15:38 +0000
Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 17:24 +0100
Re: @ and optimization Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 04:48 -0500
Re: @ and optimization Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 11:09 +0100
Re: @ and optimization (was: Epic Fail) hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:24 -0700
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-24 19:17 +0000
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-25 08:27 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-25 23:44 +0200
Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-26 14:37 +0000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-13 15:04 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 09:58 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 10:16 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 05:06 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 11:16 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-26 03:43 -0700
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 14:24 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 23:58 -0400
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-27 12:46 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 00:41 -0400
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-28 21:54 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 17:17 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 10:08 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 13:44 +0200
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 09:11 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 10:12 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 17:00 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:08 -0500
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-26 23:41 -0400
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 17:06 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-26 12:45 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-26 17:52 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-26 21:52 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-27 03:31 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-27 13:48 +0200
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-27 12:02 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-26 22:19 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 10:28 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-14 22:02 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 18:57 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-15 05:05 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-14 22:53 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-13 12:34 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-14 13:22 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-14 10:08 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-14 11:59 -0400
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-17 16:56 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Spam@ControlQ.com - 2014-04-17 15:16 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-17 23:59 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-18 04:38 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-18 09:17 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-18 11:44 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-18 17:06 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-18 11:41 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-18 16:55 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-18 19:20 +0200
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-20 14:52 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-18 12:21 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-20 14:36 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-20 08:17 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 11:35 -0500
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-21 10:51 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-21 19:54 +0200
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-22 17:40 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-22 20:47 +0200
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-19 11:34 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-19 16:05 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-20 12:38 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 11:42 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 12:11 -0500
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-20 17:23 +0000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-20 11:58 -0700
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-21 10:21 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 04:58 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-22 17:05 +0000
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-20 17:12 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-20 19:47 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 05:03 -0500
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-22 11:51 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 08:28 -0500
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-22 15:02 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 13:23 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2014-04-22 19:19 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Todd Hughes <noemail@dontemailme.org> - 2014-04-10 11:24 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-10 06:55 -0500
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-10 15:50 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-10 11:02 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-10 22:31 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-11 03:55 -0500
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-10 19:08 -0400
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-10 19:03 -0400
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-11 17:45 +0100
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-11 17:16 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-11 18:59 +0100
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-11 19:11 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-11 12:05 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-11 22:03 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-11 20:18 +0200
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-11 21:44 -0400
Re: Epic Fail visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2014-04-11 14:00 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Matthias Trute <matthias.trute@gmail.com> - 2014-04-12 01:04 -0700
Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-30 01:47 -0800
Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 16:12 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-04 23:20 +0200
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 17:40 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-08 00:52 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assadebrahim2000@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 16:13 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 06:37 +0300
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-09 01:12 +0200
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-08 10:16 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-04 17:41 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-05 02:49 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2014-04-04 17:46 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-04 21:59 -1000
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-05 08:51 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-05 14:45 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-05 16:01 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-05 19:22 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-06 10:46 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-06 13:20 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-06 19:58 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 12:28 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-06 16:40 -0400
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-06 22:04 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-06 23:25 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-06 23:48 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 15:17 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 00:08 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 15:34 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 00:29 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:01 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 00:58 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:29 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 01:33 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 01:58 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 19:33 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 04:40 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 04:25 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 20:19 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 11:23 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 03:24 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 11:18 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 05:20 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 14:49 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 08:43 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-07 20:27 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 02:57 -0500
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 10:00 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 16:10 +0200
Re: Epic Fail m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-04-07 07:54 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 22:59 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-07 15:07 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-07 15:13 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-08 00:40 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-07 01:02 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 10:49 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-08 19:01 +0100
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-08 08:13 -1000
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-08 20:34 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 12:04 -0700
[OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 00:42 +0200
Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:14 -0700
Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:15 -0700
Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 03:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:35 -0700
Re: [OT] Haskell code Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 03:17 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:48 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 15:30 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2014-04-07 11:26 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 05:21 -0500
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-07 17:54 +0100
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-07 12:14 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 16:49 +0000
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 09:37 +0000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-06 08:43 -0700
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 12:53 +0000
Re: Epic Fail mhx@iae.nl - 2014-04-06 00:09 -0700
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-06 13:12 +0000
Re: Epic Fail mhx@iae.nl - 2014-04-06 07:55 -0700
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-07 10:18 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 08:21 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-06 08:30 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-06 22:12 +0200
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-06 12:08 -1000
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-06 16:44 -0700
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-06 22:03 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Stefan Mauerhofer <smauerhofer@androsoft.ch> - 2014-04-07 01:29 -0700
locals in nested definitions (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-07 16:57 +0000
Re: Epic Fail mhx@iae.nl - 2014-04-07 11:48 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 22:54 +0200
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-08 00:04 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 14:12 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-07 21:23 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-07 19:33 -1000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-07 23:52 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Assad Ebrahim <assad.ebrahim@alum.swarthmore.edu> - 2014-04-08 09:07 +0100
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-08 12:35 +0100
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-08 16:21 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-08 16:33 -0400
Re: Epic Fail "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-08 23:41 +0100
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-08 22:47 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-08 10:43 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 07:22 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-08 10:12 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 08:58 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-08 08:02 -1000
Re: Epic Fail hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-04-08 23:07 -0700
Re: Epic Fail albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-08 10:21 +0000
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-08 15:32 +0200
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-08 17:46 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 01:06 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:06 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 02:56 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-08 18:17 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-09 03:24 +0200
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-09 02:22 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 17:07 +0300
Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 03:48 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 07:17 +0300
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-07 22:52 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-07 03:53 -0700
Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 16:24 -0700
Re: Epic Fail the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 16:45 -0700
Re: Epic Fail kerdezixe@gmail.com - 2014-04-29 11:15 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 11:21 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 20:46 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 12:27 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-29 23:13 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 00:04 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 00:54 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-30 23:30 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 16:48 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-01 03:33 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-05-01 04:04 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 16:53 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 03:56 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 03:08 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 02:30 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-30 06:45 -0500
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-30 22:02 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 04:04 -0500
Re: Epic Fail "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-05-01 16:08 -0400
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-02 08:12 -0500
Re: Epic Fail Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-05-02 22:33 +0200
Re: Epic Fail Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-05-02 15:19 -0700
Re: Epic Fail Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-03 04:30 -0500
Re: Epic Fail anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 09:53 +0000
Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-04-30 09:24 +0000
Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 17:14 -0700
Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2014-04-30 17:27 -0700
Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-05-01 15:25 +0000
Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) "Peter Knaggs" <pjk@bcs.org.uk> - 2014-05-03 08:28 +0100
Re: Forth on JVM (was: Epic Fail) "Peter Knaggs" <pjk@bcs.org.uk> - 2014-05-01 07:52 +0100
Re: Forth on JVM Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-05-01 04:06 -0500
Re: Forth on JVM Roelf Toxopeus <rt4all@notthis.hetnet.nl> - 2014-05-01 14:28 +0200
Re: Epic Fail AKK <akk@nospam.org> - 2014-04-29 20:48 +0200
Re: Epic Fail stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-04-29 19:09 +0000
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-29 09:23 -1000
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 12:43 -0700
Re: Epic Fail "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-29 11:23 -1000
Re: Epic Fail Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 22:52 -0700
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-11-29 20:13 +0000
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) C G Montgomery <cgm@physics.utoledo.edu> - 2014-11-29 17:15 -0500
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 14:20 -0800
Re: Epic failure awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-11-29 23:35 +0100
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-11-30 00:31 +0100
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 17:41 -0800
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) mhx@iae.nl - 2014-11-30 00:04 -0800
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) mhx@iae.nl - 2014-11-30 00:09 -0800
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-11-30 17:22 +0100
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-11-30 02:13 +0000
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2014-11-29 18:55 -0800
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-11-30 16:50 +0000
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-12-01 01:22 +0100
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-12-02 06:00 +0100
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-12-02 06:37 +0100
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-12-02 12:28 +0000
Re: Epic failure Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-02 18:03 -0800
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 10:10 -0800
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-12-05 16:23 -0500
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-05 13:46 -0800
Re: Epic failure (was Epic Fail) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-01 07:54 +0000
Re: Epic failure awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-12-01 14:02 +0100
Re: Epic failure hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2014-12-01 15:04 -0800
Re: Epic failure awegel@arcor.de (Alexander Wegel) - 2014-12-02 04:54 +0100
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-04-08 18:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7x8urfgv3k.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #29471 |
Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes: > Oh, no, I didn't want to criticize ADA. Guy advocated ADA as safe > language opposite to C++, which is unsafe. So I questioned who will > write unsafe(low level) code. Guy didn't want to admit that you can > write unsafe code in ADA, and didn't want to say C - but assembler, it > was funny ;) It would be pretty weird to write the low level code in C and call it from Ada. C has pointers but it doesn't have any of the stuff you usually want assembler for, like machine intrinsics.
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| From | Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-09 03:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <li27fr$2tq$4@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #29473 |
On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 18:17:03 -0700 Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes: > > Oh, no, I didn't want to criticize ADA. Guy advocated ADA as safe > > language opposite to C++, which is unsafe. So I questioned who will > > write unsafe(low level) code. Guy didn't want to admit that you can > > write unsafe code in ADA, and didn't want to say C - but assembler, > > it was funny ;) > > It would be pretty weird to write the low level code in C and call it > from Ada. C has pointers but it doesn't have any of the stuff you > usually want assembler for, like machine intrinsics. Heh, I'm used to write low level code in C. For example ,back in DOS days I wrote Unisys T27 emulator completely in C. It configured UART and interrupt handler was in C. Though I must admit ,know, on Linux, I prefer assembler ;) -- Click OK to continue...
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> |
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| Date | 2014-04-09 02:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <op.xd1da4rm6zenlw@localhost> |
| In reply to | #29473 |
On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 21:17:03 -0400, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > C has pointers but it doesn't have any of the stuff you > usually want assembler for, like machine intrinsics. Que? 1) Assembly doesn't need machine intrinsics. High-level languages do. 2) Major C compilers support inlined assembly. This usually suffices. 3) In general, there is very little that can't be done in C. Rod Pemberton
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| From | Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-09 17:07 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <li3k6t$r7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29483 |
On 04/09/2014 09:22 AM, Rod Pemberton wrote: > On Tue, 08 Apr 2014 21:17:03 -0400, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> > wrote: > >> C has pointers but it doesn't have any of the stuff you >> usually want assembler for, like machine intrinsics. > > Que? > > 1) Assembly doesn't need machine intrinsics. High-level languages do. > 2) Major C compilers support inlined assembly. This usually suffices. > 3) In general, there is very little that can't be done in C. GCC does have machine intrinsics, specifically: atomic swap-and-compare etc., which are extremely useful for spinlocks and so forth. And as you point out, most compilers have (and have had for many, many years) inline assembly functionality. I wish GCC's wasn't so peculiar, but that's life. Indeed, there is little which can't be done in C; but there's also little that can't be done in any sufficiently low-level language, if you have the time and inclination.
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| From | the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-09 03:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1ed6069c-cf17-4fd9-8ea1-eb1fb638bf4a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29469 |
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:06:34 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: > Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> writes: > > > Once I asked one guy who advocated ADA who will write > > > low level stuff if I can't write it in ADA. > > > He replied that those things would be written by experts > > > in *assembler* ;) > > > > I don't understand what you're getting at here. Ada lets you do about > > the same stuff as C, though less conveniently. If you have to muck with > > machine addresses you can do it through a subroutine call interface > > rather than with pointers directly in the language. If you want > > something like coroutines, you're stuck calling assembler, just like if > > you were writing the higher levels in C. I thought that tasking took care of co routines?
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| From | Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-07 07:17 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <lht8t0$eql$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29331 |
On 04/06/2014 11:12 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote: > Example: When I started Gforth on Android, I used the NativeActivity. ... > Resulting decision: Throw it away and do it myself. Interesting; I went through almost the identical process with 8th on Android, but decided I didn't want to rework the NativeActivity (instead I spawn the interpreter thread from an Application object).
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-07 22:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lhv369$b0f$1@online.de> |
| In reply to | #29355 |
Ron Aaron wrote: > > > On 04/06/2014 11:12 PM, Bernd Paysan wrote: > >> Example: When I started Gforth on Android, I used the NativeActivity. > ... >> Resulting decision: Throw it away and do it myself. > > Interesting; I went through almost the identical process with 8th on > Android, but decided I didn't want to rework the NativeActivity (instead > I spawn the interpreter thread from an Application object). Yes, that's very similar to the way I do it now. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-07 03:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1eb3895c-6465-412b-8721-7dcab4737240@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29282 |
On Friday, 4 April 2014 18:26:04 UTC+1, Jason Damisch wrote: > Why did Forth fail so badly? It didn't. It was very popular for a while, then it faded away. Like the Osmands. > > > > I mean the win of Java VS the fail of Forth is so absolute as to be mind boggling. Forth never had the backing behind it that Java, and C before it, did. > Would you consider the position of Greg or Chuck at this point in time a win or a fail? As far as they know, they have both made a lot of money over the years with Forth. That sounds like success to me! > > > > The Wikipedia article on Java states that in 2014 Java is the most popular programming language with 9 million developers. How many developers do you think actually make money programming in Forth? Probably about 9! > ??? Ah! So when you talk about fail, you mean fail to be popular? Ok, I agree. Forth is not popular. But it is a good language, as we all know. > How bad did we fail? Well, out of the Billions and Billions of cellphones which have ever been produced, not a single one has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth as an operating system! Billions of them do contain Forth software though. There was/is a system that was developed for the network operators. It runs underneath, or at least, at the same level as the operating system itself (and is therefore very difficult to detect) and periodically sends info back to the network operators. It is written in Forth. It caused quite a lot of controversy as it was seen as spyware. I can't remember the name of it now, but it has been mentioned here before. > > > It's not like Java is the idea language for everything. It is C++ on top of a virtual machine. I probably would not recommend it for resource constrained embedded systems. Though bear in mind, there is a specific edition of Java for embedded systems. However, like you, I couldn't recommend it - Java is simply too deeply abstracted to afford any degree of confidence in its reliability. You can't see what it's doing, unlike Forth or C.
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| From | the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-08 16:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5be12de6-a5c4-41fd-baf5-95e8001d2504@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29282 |
On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:26:04 AM UTC-7, Jason Damisch wrote: > Why did Forth fail so badly? > > > > I mean the win of Java VS the fail of Forth is so absolute as to be mind boggling. I'd like to hear a real answer, and not that "Forth Sucks" because I think that Forth is a darn good mousetrap. It is still quite usable and is *extremely* flexible. > > > > It goes like this. If you program in Java, you can't fail. If you program in Forth, you can't win. It does not matter how good or bad you are. Would you consider the position of Greg or Chuck at this point in time a win or a fail? > > > > The Wikipedia article on Java states that in 2014 Java is the most popular programming language with 9 million developers. How many developers do you think actually make money programming in Forth? Probably about 9! > > > > I'm not trying to Flame or Troll. I'd just like to hear a really good explanation of this. It makes me upset. > > > > How bad did we fail? Well, out of the Billions and Billions of cellphones which have ever been produced, not a single one has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth as an operating system! 99.99% of them are programmed in Java? Why? I mean I had a $15 cell phone. The hardware is probably more powerful than my old Atari ST. It has a faster processor and more RAM. There are only about 5 games for it, and they are all programmed in Java. Truth be known, these games are so slow as to be nearly unplayable. It would be undoable to put Llamatron on the thing, not because of the small screen size, but because it just couldn't use a Java library to push around a sufficient number of sprites very well. I know that all of you I.T. people in here are just going to say buy a more expensive phone, but that's not my point. > > > > It's not like Java is the idea language for everything. It is C++ on top of a virtual machine. I probably would not recommend it for resource constrained embedded systems. But just like nobody every go fired for buying IBM, nobody ever go fired for using Java. I mean even if I started a project trying to write an embedded system on a resources constrained device, and I chose to do it in Java, no matter what kind of train wreck I produced, I would probably not be fired, but would be hired for the next job, even possibly to reproduce the same results. > > > > How did we lose so badly? > > > > What is more religious? Using Forth or trying to slam the square peg of the most popular single stack everything is a function everything is an object programming language into the round hole of every computer problem in creation with a jack hammer? > > > > Jason because banks caclulate ROI sun and oracel were public more money can be made selling SHIT made in java than good things done in forth progarmmers are miscellaneous slaves for preident of big corp who banks hire to run method of collecting money from population of world CEO gets money to run this machien called corp from banker if programmers ever used something powerful they might derail the machine by making other alternatives its about making money forth and better tek are also fought with interoperability I mean oracle and microsoft have been obsolete for over 10 years freebsd or linux and most any free programmign language and psotgresql or whatever combo can replace paying for oracle or microsoft anytime, and do better job sicne license money is spent on more hardware and network governmetn get paid off little forth corps are centralized enuf to amass payoffs or be seen as good machien for bank or hired ceo slave master
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| From | the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-08 16:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5d1984ba-f554-4124-b36b-2091b8f86355@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29282 |
On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:26:04 AM UTC-7, Jason Damisch wrote: > Why did Forth fail so badly? > > > > I mean the win of Java VS the fail of Forth is so absolute as to be mind boggling. I'd like to hear a real answer, and not that "Forth Sucks" because I think that Forth is a darn good mousetrap. It is still quite usable and is *extremely* flexible. > > > > It goes like this. If you program in Java, you can't fail. If you program in Forth, you can't win. It does not matter how good or bad you are. Would you consider the position of Greg or Chuck at this point in time a win or a fail? > > > > The Wikipedia article on Java states that in 2014 Java is the most popular programming language with 9 million developers. How many developers do you think actually make money programming in Forth? Probably about 9! > > > > I'm not trying to Flame or Troll. I'd just like to hear a really good explanation of this. It makes me upset. > > > > How bad did we fail? Well, out of the Billions and Billions of cellphones which have ever been produced, not a single one has been programmed in Forth or uses Forth as an operating system! 99.99% of them are programmed in Java? Why? I mean I had a $15 cell phone. The hardware is probably more powerful than my old Atari ST. It has a faster processor and more RAM. There are only about 5 games for it, and they are all programmed in Java. Truth be known, these games are so slow as to be nearly unplayable. It would be undoable to put Llamatron on the thing, not because of the small screen size, but because it just couldn't use a Java library to push around a sufficient number of sprites very well. I know that all of you I.T. people in here are just going to say buy a more expensive phone, but that's not my point. > > > > It's not like Java is the idea language for everything. It is C++ on top of a virtual machine. I probably would not recommend it for resource constrained embedded systems. But just like nobody every go fired for buying IBM, nobody ever go fired for using Java. I mean even if I started a project trying to write an embedded system on a resources constrained device, and I chose to do it in Java, no matter what kind of train wreck I produced, I would probably not be fired, but would be hired for the next job, even possibly to reproduce the same results. > > > > How did we lose so badly? > > > > What is more religious? Using Forth or trying to slam the square peg of the most popular single stack everything is a function everything is an object programming language into the round hole of every computer problem in creation with a jack hammer? > > > > Jason you could also say client server computing java was mostly for web client server and at the time the net explosion made it something people could use forth even now seems to have no web server or appserver even as sad as java tomcat how do you even do client server in forth? jeff fox wrote about multi cpu forth lina allowing some kind of awesome client server, but would that work on a website? since you dont have access to someones pc ram I dont think? maybe u do through browser?? maybe there could be a forth firefox plugin that would be even more powerful cient server than javascript and current node.js that seem to be big now
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| From | kerdezixe@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 11:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a2a357c6-7a19-4fd3-961a-08aa5c2e8b0b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29282 |
Friendly greetings !
Forth isn't dead yet, i'm learning Forth, here is why, what's needed :
I'm not really happy with the dozens of language i learned.
I created and trashed tons of unfinished language.
Usually using ruby, java, C, or jruby.
I like Erlang, Lisp, functional languages in general.
I decided to learn the "JVM bytecode" using Jasmin : http://jasmin.sourceforge.net/
OMG the JVM is Stack-based \o/
It's a lot of fun and really intuitive. Kinda annoying to write because it's very very hard to debug.
I know forth by name since a long time and i had to write tiny bit of forth-ish when programming Sun NVRAM. But know i decided to give it a go.
Of course i ran into some troubles :
- the compilers are OLD!
- Documentation is OLD! ("Property of US Army" documentation that explain how to load forth code using punch card ? huh... ok...)
- Company supporting forth are dead or dying.
Did you notice that the LISP-familly is back on track ? It's hype ! Every cool kids want to learn Clojure. Clojure and Scala are replacing Java code. I see JRuby code in production too, mixed with java, clojure, scala, you-name-it.
I spent ~3h looking for a "Forth on JVM", even experimental code on github would do the trick.
Couldn't find any... Ok then.. gforth ... *sigh*
I'm a 36yo sysadmin & DBA, not a "pro" coder. Today we get a server with 32GB of RAM, 4TB if disk and 4(*2) cores for ~40 EURO/month. I don't care if a JVM-Forth use a few more MB of ram than it should because of the JVM.
My problem, however, is that it doesn't exist at all.
Peoples want a .jar that works, nothing else. JVM-Forth, Scala, Java or Clojure ? who care ?
And Clojure is a great demonstration.
I asked if i could do some Clojure at work : "You know it ? Awesome ! Do it !"
Now if i tell them i want to do some Forth... well, i won't even ask. I can't even do C (even if we have more people that know C compared to Clojure).
But as long as it's JVM-based : sure, have fun !
So now you know what to do. :)
*hugs*
Ker2x
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| From | Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 11:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7b55e33a-43ef-4409-9541-7d183f063c96@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29969 |
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:15:54 PM UTC+2, Laurent Laborde wrote: > Friendly greetings ! Feel free to blame google groups for super long lines. I expected it to add \n return where needed :( Ker2x
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 20:46 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljos1r$tr3$1@online.de> |
| In reply to | #29969 |
kerdezixe@gmail.com wrote: > I spent ~3h looking for a "Forth on JVM", even experimental code on github > would do the trick. Couldn't find any. This is because JVM is a stack-based machine, but *not* a Forth VM. The main difference is that Forth has a separate return stack, while JVM has just one single stack. The other thing is that a JVM compiler is a batch compiler. This is the punch card thing you are probably talking about: Java is still following the punch card model of writing code in an editor, running it through a compiler, and then execute the resultung binary. This is not the way of Forth, which is an interactive system. You can work around that in Java, Clojure does so, but it isn't designed that way. Working around the single-stack obstacle is considerably harder. Therefore, it is not possible to do a Forth directly on JVM. You can write a Forth compiler in Java, but it won't directly generate JVM byte code. Therefore, the only thing you'll find on JVM are Forth interpreters: c2.com/cgi/wiki?OtherLanguagesForTheJavaVm > Peoples want a .jar that works, nothing else. Really? -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 12:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <da8fafe6-af9f-4ccf-9045-be44d3f2298a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29974 |
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:46:18 PM UTC+2, Bernd Paysan wrote: > kerdezixe@gmail.com wrote: > > > I spent ~3h looking for a "Forth on JVM", even experimental code on github > > would do the trick. Couldn't find any. > > > This is because JVM is a stack-based machine, but *not* a Forth VM. The > main difference is that Forth has a separate return stack, while JVM has > just one single stack. The other thing is that a JVM compiler is a batch > compiler. This is the punch card thing you are probably talking about: Java > is still following the punch card model of writing code in an editor, > running it through a compiler, and then execute the resultung binary. This > is not the way of Forth, which is an interactive system. You can work > around that in Java, Clojure does so, but it isn't designed that way. Yes, it's in the Forth FAQ. So what ? The JVM is stack based and run on CPUs that aren't stack based. Most (all?) language running on the JVM aren't stack based. The JVM almost-but-not-quite fit the need so it shouldn't be done ? Meh > Working around the single-stack obstacle is considerably harder. > Therefore, it is not possible to do a Forth directly on JVM. Again, so what ? Sure it's hard because you can't do it directly using directly the jvm stack. But it's not impossible. Lisp did it. Both compiler and interpreter. On a stack based VM running on a register based CPU. Clojure also target the CLR (.net) and JS (Javascript). > You can write > a Forth compiler in Java, but it won't directly generate JVM byte code. > Therefore, the only thing you'll find on JVM are Forth interpreters: > > c2.com/cgi/wiki?OtherLanguagesForTheJavaVm I'll check > > Peoples want a .jar that works, nothing else. > > Really? The average programmer/manager/CTO : yes. Unless you're in embedded stuff (probably, i'm not even sure about it) -- Ker2x
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-29 23:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljp4lq$qqj$1@online.de> |
| In reply to | #29979 |
Laurent Laborde wrote: > On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 8:46:18 PM UTC+2, Bernd Paysan wrote: >> kerdezixe@gmail.com wrote:Forth VM. The >> main difference is that Forth has a separate return stack, while JVM has >> just one single stack. The other thing is that a JVM compiler is a batch >> compiler. This is the punch card thing you are probably talking about: >> Java is still following the punch card model of writing code in an >> editor, >> running it through a compiler, and then execute the resultung binary. >> This >> is not the way of Forth, which is an interactive system. You can work >> around that in Java, Clojure does so, but it isn't designed that way. > > Yes, it's in the Forth FAQ. > So what ? This fact hasn't changed since. > The JVM is stack based and run on CPUs that aren't stack based. Sure. That has no meaning to the discussion we have: register based CPUs can emulate stack based VMs. Unfortunately, the other way round isn't true. Which is why people build register based CPUs. > Most (all?) language running on the JVM aren't stack based. That's because the JVM is not suited for a stack based language. It is an intermediate language for Algol-like languages, and other languages with locals and lexical scope. Your argument is proving what? That it is not suitable for stack based languages? That's what I'm saying. > The JVM almost-but-not-quite fit the need so it shouldn't be done ? Meh It's not even an "almost", it is pretty far from being useful for implementing Forth. It looks like it might be a fit if you have very little understanding of the topic, but if you look closer, you see that it isn't useful. As long as you don't have a separate return stack, it might look a bit like Forth, but is something quite different. >> Working around the single-stack obstacle is considerably harder. >> Therefore, it is not possible to do a Forth directly on JVM. > > Again, so what ? Sure it's hard because you can't do it directly using > directly the jvm stack. But it's not impossible. Forth interpreters in Java have been done. But that's not what you were asking for: you were asking for a batch compiler to procude JVM .jar files. > Lisp did it. Both compiler and interpreter. On a stack based VM running > on a register based CPU. > Clojure also target the CLR (.net) and JS (Javascript). No big problem, these are languages with lexically scoped local variables, the thing the JVM is built for. BTW: There is a Forth-like language for CLR: www.codeproject.com/Tips/1752/Delta-Forth-NET It is a batch compiler, not a traditional Forth; in so far it is pretty limited. It actually is derived from a similar approach to JVM, which apparently was abandoned by the author a long time ago. It is missing a significant part of what we call Forth and why we like Forth. And it still doesn't use CLR's native stack as Forth data stack, because that is simply not feasible. There are interpreters for Forth on .NET, too. The whole thing with these run time environments is that they have been done by people who are still in the late 1950s, and have been stuck with the Borroughts B5500, when it comes to stack-based languages. >> You can write >> a Forth compiler in Java, but it won't directly generate JVM byte code. >> Therefore, the only thing you'll find on JVM are Forth interpreters: >> >> c2.com/cgi/wiki?OtherLanguagesForTheJavaVm > > I'll check > >> > Peoples want a .jar that works, nothing else. >> >> Really? > > The average programmer/manager/CTO : yes. The average guy wants the hype of the day. You need a big marketing budget to make them happy. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-30 00:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <04fb685e-f22a-4029-b60e-f474be5b1f88@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29983 |
On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:13:30 PM UTC+2, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> Laurent Laborde wrote:
>
>> The average programmer/manager/CTO : yes.
>
> The average guy wants the hype of the day. You need a big marketing budget
> to make them happy.
Check this TelTalk : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4
Here is the thing : "People buy why you do it not what you do"
If you don't understand this, you're screwed.
I told you what i needed to use Forth in production.
If i can't have it, well, forth will be my esoteric-toy-language
i'll use in my spare time.
There is another (old) language that became popular without jvm target :
Erlang.
"Build massively scalable soft real-time systems" you don't need big
marketing budget to find this catch-phrase. I like Erlang,
it's in production and playing a major critical role thanks to RabbitMQ.
I believe i can solve some of my problems more easily using multiple stack.
But only SOME of my problems so i need interoperability. That's exactly
why there is so many different languages on the JVM and why many different
language are used in the same application.
I have a very very simple idea, it really is stupidly simple :
1) you create a list of functions
2) you have many stacks
3) you run a function
4) the function pop once a (or many) stack
5a) the output of the function decide which function is ran next
5b) OR the next function is popped out of a "function stack" that contain
reference to functions.
SIMPLE! I believe i can implement that kind of functionality using forth.
But i need some readily available stuff.
Because i'm not willing to reimplement HTTP/ZeroMQ/JSON/XML/...
Running on the JVM provide access to gazillions of library.
--
Ker2x
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| From | Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-30 00:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8ff3f178-8e35-4de1-969d-28d9dd023f8a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #29994 |
Forth's in Java: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ForthInJava http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1415910/forth-interpreter-in-java J2EE: http://ptaisp.co.za/j2eeforth/
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2014-04-30 23:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljrq1a$qqr$1@online.de> |
| In reply to | #29994 |
Laurent Laborde wrote: > On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:13:30 PM UTC+2, Bernd Paysan wrote: >> Laurent Laborde wrote: >> >>> The average programmer/manager/CTO : yes. >> >> The average guy wants the hype of the day. You need a big marketing >> budget to make them happy. > > Check this TelTalk : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp0HIF3SfI4 > > Here is the thing : "People buy why you do it not what you do" > If you don't understand this, you're screwed. I know why I'm doing Forth: I want to use a system that is *simple enough* to be understandable by me in total, and at the same time *not* restricting me in any way, so I can solve new problems in a creative way. I don't want to use the new COBOL for uninspired programmers who solve old problems by writing wrappers around already bloated libraries; I call this "onion programming", and it makes me shed tears. Yes, you can now buy a cheap multi-core multi-GHz CPU with gigabytes of memory, and then run a program that runs about as good and fast as 20 years ago a program ran on a MHz CPU with a few hundred kilobytes of memory. Yeah, you couldn't write the code back then... > Because i'm not willing to reimplement HTTP/ZeroMQ/JSON/XML/... This is your "why", it says that you don't want to go out of bed in the morning, because you want to avoid doing things that need to be done. It's pretty uninspiring. I'm currently doing something that is replacing the things on your list, because the current Internet is broken beyond repair. I'm doing this in Forth, when I'm successful, all your Java libraries are useless legacy. > Running on the JVM provide access to gazillions of library. All you are telling me *what* I'm supposed to be doing. Shut up and go back to the youtube video you sent me. You are not telling me what I'm supposed to do, because that's my business, I know that. You can't sell me your idea starting with stupid implementation details that only show how little you know. Gforth on Android must deal with Java, because it runs in an environment written in Java. How did I do this? By using JNI. I don't need a .jar file to talk to Java, I can do that with JNI. This gives me a good performing Forth environment, with all the interactive stuff, *and* all the gazillions of Java libraries, if I wanted them (I don't, I only want a few critical interfaces to OS services). And, way more important: It gives me good and high performance native access to OpenGL (with Gforth's C bindings), which is much better than the Java/Dalvik interface to it (that's the interface everybody hates and why most of the Android games are using some C libraries to do the graphics). So the thing you really want is doable, but you aren't inspiring me, because you are only telling me what you want me (or some other Forth guru) to do. I'm not going to buy this uninspired rambling by someone who wants all the hard work being done by other people. That's the typical Java programmer. I don't think Forth is the right thing for lazy idiots; it always was an amplifier, which amplified the capabilities of the good programmers, and also the mistakes of the bad ones. If a bad programmer uses Forth, disaster is only outcome. Don't. Stay with Java, disaster is unavoidable, but with Java, you can't screw up that badly. In any case, you are someone who's demanding others to do things, not willing and not able to do this yourself, so unless you pay a lot of money to get what you want, you are just a waste of time for us. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | Laurent Laborde <kerdezixe@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2014-04-30 16:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <775e4b77-2b29-4b1d-ac62-a08767c714a1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #30018 |
On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:30:17 PM UTC+2, Bernd Paysan wrote: > Laurent Laborde wrote: > > In any case, you are someone who's demanding others to do things, not > willing and not able to do this yourself, so unless you pay a lot of money > to get what you want, you are just a waste of time for us. You forgot the spirit of the OP :) I'm not demanding ANYTHING. I'm telling you what, imho, you should do if want forth to stay alive. Since a year or two programmers are learning new languages, writing new languages and rediscovering old languages. And the languages targeting the JVM are very very quickly adopted at work. Anyway... Do whatever you want, because : who care ? -- Ker2x
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2014-05-01 03:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ljs89o$p85$1@online.de> |
| In reply to | #30020 |
Laurent Laborde wrote: > On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:30:17 PM UTC+2, Bernd Paysan wrote: >> Laurent Laborde wrote: >> >> In any case, you are someone who's demanding others to do things, not >> willing and not able to do this yourself, so unless you pay a lot of >> money to get what you want, you are just a waste of time for us. > > You forgot the spirit of the OP :) > I'm not demanding ANYTHING. I'm telling you what, imho, you should do if > want forth to stay alive. We had this discussion over and over again. When Perl was the hot language of the year, we had people here who told us that Forth would be better off if it was more like Perl. With regexps and with a Perl-like library server full of ready-made stuff. Fortunately, today, Perl is pretty much a phenomenon of the past. > Since a year or two programmers are learning > new languages, writing new languages and rediscovering old languages. > And the languages targeting the JVM are very very quickly adopted at work. > > Anyway... Do whatever you want, because : who care ? Yes, demand whatever you want, because who cares. I'm sick of people who don't do anything themselves but have tons of good advice to other people who are doing stuff, and well, they are doing it all wrong. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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