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| Started by | gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2012-10-12 13:36 -0700 |
| Last post | 2012-10-18 23:38 -0700 |
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mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-12 13:36 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-12 22:49 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 00:06 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-13 22:34 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 16:46 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-14 00:24 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 19:09 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 01:46 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-15 04:25 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 05:35 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 16:43 -0400
The "memory wall" (was: mr paysan ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-15 09:28 +0000
Re: The "memory wall" (was: mr paysan ...) Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 03:02 -0700
Re: The "memory wall" (was: mr paysan ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-15 12:50 +0000
Re: The "memory wall" (was: mr paysan ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-15 14:47 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 00:10 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-18 21:53 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 01:00 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-18 22:18 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-10-19 09:11 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-10-15 03:17 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 16:52 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-10-16 02:20 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 00:13 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 00:07 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-13 20:53 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-15 15:41 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 07:01 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-15 09:31 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-15 19:51 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 17:47 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2012-10-16 11:10 +0100
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 15:55 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2012-10-16 21:31 +0100
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 17:06 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-16 20:56 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-16 23:44 -0500
Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-17 10:01 +0000
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-17 21:11 -0500
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 01:08 -0700
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-18 11:42 -0500
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 15:26 -0400
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-18 09:25 +0000
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-18 11:46 -0500
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 15:28 -0400
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-10-18 12:44 -0700
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-18 18:49 -0500
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 20:16 -0400
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-18 17:28 -0700
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-19 03:00 +0200
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 18:00 -0400
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-19 11:35 +0000
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-19 10:33 -0500
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-18 18:35 +0200
Re: Transputers, was Re: mr paysan .. gavinoshit Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-18 12:06 -0500
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 13:23 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-17 11:58 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 15:22 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-17 21:53 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 16:00 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-17 23:10 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 17:28 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-18 00:11 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 15:41 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 17:27 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-15 15:28 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 19:07 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 19:09 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-16 01:21 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-15 22:26 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-15 22:35 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-16 01:50 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-15 22:54 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 16:00 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-17 06:40 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 13:32 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-17 21:10 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 15:45 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-19 19:45 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 15:58 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-17 06:32 -0400
"Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-16 11:46 +0000
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-10-16 16:09 +0000
Re: "Too much data" rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 16:04 -0400
Re: "Too much data" Elizabeth D Rather <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-16 11:37 -1000
Re: "Too much data" anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-17 14:00 +0000
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 13:25 -0700
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-17 14:08 +0000
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 01:31 -0700
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-18 16:42 +0000
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) Ouatu Bogdan <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 18:41 +0000
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 12:20 -0700
Re: "Too much data" Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-16 21:10 -0700
Re: "Too much data" humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 05:01 -0700
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 23:55 -0700
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-17 00:06 -0700
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-10-17 10:25 +0000
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-17 14:21 +0000
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-17 17:54 +0200
Re: "Too much data" (was: mr paysan where is your chip? ...) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-17 15:58 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-16 01:27 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-15 08:02 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-10-15 11:39 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Bill Marcum <bill@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-10-21 03:31 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 17:15 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-10-16 10:00 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 00:27 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-15 17:10 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 00:30 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-16 01:38 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-15 22:48 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-15 21:18 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-16 21:31 +1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-16 16:56 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2012-10-16 11:26 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-17 12:30 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-17 22:35 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-17 18:15 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-10-18 16:45 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-19 00:31 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-18 22:34 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 01:01 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 01:06 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 02:16 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-19 19:51 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-19 18:25 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-20 16:49 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-10-20 22:49 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-19 22:02 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-20 17:07 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-20 14:48 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-21 02:56 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-20 22:30 -0700
Trains [Was: mr paysan where is your chip?] Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-21 04:46 -0500
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-18 19:28 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 00:33 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 01:00 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-19 11:45 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-10-18 18:26 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-18 08:45 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-19 00:43 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-22 13:07 +1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-10-21 19:24 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Doug Hoffman <glidedog@gmail.com> - 2012-10-22 05:15 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-10-22 14:33 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Spam@ControlQ.com - 2012-10-22 12:06 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-10-23 10:44 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2012-10-22 09:29 -0500
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-10-22 16:30 +0200
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-16 08:52 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Ed" <invalid@nospam.com> - 2012-10-17 18:25 +1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-17 08:33 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Frank Thomason <Frank@Thomason.com> - 2012-10-17 15:31 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-10-18 12:37 -0700
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-10-18 15:57 -1000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-10-16 16:09 -0400
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? vandys@vsta.org - 2012-10-16 20:27 +0000
Re: mr paysan where is your chip? where is the personal computer pwoered by paysan cpu? that runs firefox and is liek 10x faster than amd? gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2012-10-18 23:38 -0700
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 22:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <7xwqyn10uq.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #16463 |
Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: > There is one record of a type -3 bike (that's the only hand+foot-powered > bike in the list), from 1977. It occurs to me, I may have been thinking of a human powered aircraft rather than a bike. > This is a sleeper bus in Vietnam, as these busses are very popular for > long distances in Asia. They fit 42 seats into one bus, with three > rows This sounds sort of like couchette trains. I've liked using them but I can imagine some types of travelers resisting them. > IMHO this all demonstrates a total inability to think out of the box. I wonder if European long distance trains still have those cabins where the bench seats slide together so you can lay down on them. I had the impression they were all changing to airline-style upright seats, which seemed unfortunate to me.
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| From | gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 01:01 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <3dd2cacb-cb0f-4d98-874e-49f6cd2d1546@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #16472 |
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:34:37 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: > > > There is one record of a type -3 bike (that's the only hand+foot-powered > > > bike in the list), from 1977. > > > > It occurs to me, I may have been thinking of a human powered aircraft > > rather than a bike. > > > > > This is a sleeper bus in Vietnam, as these busses are very popular for > > > long distances in Asia. They fit 42 seats into one bus, with three > > > rows > > > > This sounds sort of like couchette trains. I've liked using them but I > > can imagine some types of travelers resisting them. > > > > > IMHO this all demonstrates a total inability to think out of the box. > > > > I wonder if European long distance trains still have those cabins where > > the bench seats slide together so you can lay down on them. I had the > > impression they were all changing to airline-style upright seats, which > > seemed unfortunate to me. blimps are underrated, they unlike trucks need 0 road asphalt
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| From | gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 01:06 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <72d052a1-25c8-48da-9fd9-fb3801e15c67@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #16472 |
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:34:37 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: > > > There is one record of a type -3 bike (that's the only hand+foot-powered > > > bike in the list), from 1977. > > > > It occurs to me, I may have been thinking of a human powered aircraft > > rather than a bike. > > > > > This is a sleeper bus in Vietnam, as these busses are very popular for > > > long distances in Asia. They fit 42 seats into one bus, with three > > > rows > > > > This sounds sort of like couchette trains. I've liked using them but I > > can imagine some types of travelers resisting them. > > > > > IMHO this all demonstrates a total inability to think out of the box. > > > > I wonder if European long distance trains still have those cabins where > > the bench seats slide together so you can lay down on them. I had the > > impression they were all changing to airline-style upright seats, which > > seemed unfortunate to me. all airlines and trains should be changed to bunk style problem is if top guy pukes or shits
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| From | Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 02:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <856db9c7-d88b-4040-984b-b8720b0b442f@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #16485 |
On Oct 19, 9:06 am, gavino_himself <visplovesl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:34:37 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: > > Bernd Paysan <bernd.pay...@gmx.de> writes: > > > > There is one record of a type -3 bike (that's the only hand+foot-powered > > > > bike in the list), from 1977. > > > It occurs to me, I may have been thinking of a human powered aircraft > > > rather than a bike. > > > > This is a sleeper bus in Vietnam, as these busses are very popular for > > > > long distances in Asia. They fit 42 seats into one bus, with three > > > > rows > > > This sounds sort of like couchette trains. I've liked using them but I > > > can imagine some types of travelers resisting them. > > > > IMHO this all demonstrates a total inability to think out of the box. > > > I wonder if European long distance trains still have those cabins where > > > the bench seats slide together so you can lay down on them. I had the > > > impression they were all changing to airline-style upright seats, which > > > seemed unfortunate to me. > > all airlines and trains should be changed to bunk style > problem is if top guy pukes or shits- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Ah. Yes. Now I see the genius.
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 19:51 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <k5sor9$7n2$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #16489 |
"Mark Wills" <forthfreak@gmail.com> wrote in message news:856db9c7-d88b-4040-984b-b8720b0b442f@c20g2000vbz.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 19, 9:06 am, gavino_himself <visplovesl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:34:37 PM UTC-7, Paul Rubin wrote: > > > Bernd Paysan <bernd.pay...@gmx.de> writes: ... > > > > IMHO this all demonstrates a total inability to think out of the > > > > box. > > > > I wonder if European long distance trains still have those cabins > > > where the bench seats slide together so you can lay down on them. > > > I had the impression they were all changing to airline-style upright > > > seats, which seemed unfortunate to me. > > > all airlines and trains should be changed to bunk style > > problem is if top guy pukes or shits > > Ah. Yes. > > Now I see the genius. Clearly meant as humor. In a bunk, you'd be thinking inside the "box" ... ;-) You need a solid four feet above your head to not break your neck on the roof in bad turbulence. During turbulence, a bunk would your coffin. So, pick an aisle seat instead of a window seat next time ... Rod Pemberton
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 18:25 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <7xzk3idje9.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #16507 |
"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> writes: > You need a solid four feet above your head to not break your neck on the > roof in bad turbulence. During turbulence, a bunk would your coffin. On (some) couchette trains, there's something like a seat belt strapping you into the bed. I think it's intended more to prevent you from falling out of the bed accidentally, but I suppose it would also prevent you from getting thrown by turbulence.
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2012-10-20 16:49 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <4742389.k8q5lcF17k@sunwukong.fritz.box> |
| In reply to | #16508 |
Paul Rubin wrote: > "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> writes: >> You need a solid four feet above your head to not break your neck on >> the >> roof in bad turbulence. During turbulence, a bunk would your coffin. > > On (some) couchette trains, there's something like a seat belt > strapping > you into the bed. I think it's intended more to prevent you from > falling out of the bed accidentally, but I suppose it would also > prevent you from getting thrown by turbulence. I'm not convinced by Rod's argument, either. The only thing that helps you in a really bad turbulence is a seat belt. I wouldn't consider any aircraft seatings without seat belt, that's completely out of question anyways. The further away the roof is, the faster you crash into it, because that's how accellerations work. There are turbulences where the aircraft all the sudden can lose ~100m of height. If you are flying through the aircraft, better hope the landing place is soft... If hitting the roof is a real problem, the only way to make sure it doesn't kill you is to make it soft. But the design I suggested does have more overall headroom than a normal aircraft: The handluggage goes underneath the lower bunk instead of above. And in any case: You can reach the roof above you with your hands in a normal aircraft. Unlike Rod, I'm not an Orang Utan, so I can't reach anything 4ft above my head. 50cm is the maximum I can reach with my arms. 4ft would be 1.2m (I'm metric, imperial units don't make any sense to me). No way. The usual height of the overhead handluggage bins is around 1,60m, the usual height of the cabin is just a bit more than 2m. I don't see the 4ft headroom Rod needs - it just isn't there. The absolute minimum height of a bunk is 60cm (2ft), anything less feels to crammed. Which gives you about as much headroom as a normal upright seat (40cm). For takeoff and landing, which seems to require an upright position, you have to fold the bunks into seats, which would move the upper bunks down a bit. In any case: The roads in Vietnam are really bad and bumpy. The sleeper busses sometimes get off the roads, which can be quite problematic for the people inside... The old busses didn't have seat belts, they relied on Kuan Am (the godess of mercy, traffic, and female fertility) instead of seat belts... the new busses do have seat belts. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> |
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| Date | 2012-10-20 22:49 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <k5vnl1$mh4$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #16517 |
"Bernd Paysan" <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:4742389.k8q5lcF17k@sunwukong.fritz.box...
> Paul Rubin wrote:
> > "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> writes:
> >> You need a solid four feet above your head to not break your neck on
> >> the
> >> roof in bad turbulence. During turbulence, a bunk would your coffin.
> >
> > On (some) couchette trains, there's something like a seat belt
> > strapping
> > you into the bed. I think it's intended more to prevent you from
> > falling out of the bed accidentally, but I suppose it would also
> > prevent you from getting thrown by turbulence.
>
> I'm not convinced by Rod's argument, either. The only thing that helps
> you in a really bad turbulence is a seat belt. I wouldn't consider any
> aircraft seatings without seat belt, that's completely out of question
> anyways. The further away the roof is, the faster you crash into it,
> because that's how accellerations work. There are turbulences where the
> aircraft all the sudden can lose ~100m of height. If you are flying
> through the aircraft, better hope the landing place is soft...
>
"The further away the roof is, the faster you crash into it,
because that's how accellerations[sic] work."
No, the further away it is, the longer it takes to get there. So, if it's
further "away", you can't "crash into it" any sooner. "Faster"
refers to velocity, not acceleration. This universe is bounded by (at
least) four dimensions, one of which is time, which requires more time for
more distance. You can crash into the ceiling with a higher rate of
acceleration the further away it is, but only if the plane is accelerating.
But, it's unknown whether the vertical acceleration of the airplane
is increasing, decreasing, or constant.
> If hitting the roof is a real problem, the only way to make sure it
> doesn't kill you is to make it soft. But the design I suggested does
> have more overall headroom than a normal aircraft: The handluggage goes
> underneath the lower bunk instead of above. And in any case: You can
> reach the roof above you with your hands in a normal aircraft.
...
> Unlike
> Rod, I'm not an Orang Utan,
BRI - (Bernd Repetitively Insulting)
> so I can't reach anything 4ft above my head.
> 50cm is the maximum I can reach with my arms. 4ft would be 1.2m (I'm
> metric, imperial units don't make any sense to me). No way.
arms - (head_to_neck) for reach ...
> The usual height of the overhead handluggage bins is around 1,60m, the
> usual height of the cabin is just a bit more than 2m.
I'm 6ft tall. That's not quite 2m.
Are you telling me I'm "scalping" myself by wearing shoes when walking down
an airplane aisle? Anything less than foot or so to my head and I need to
"duck" - lowering my head. I've never had that issue on airplanes. I'd say
aisle to ceiling is close to 7ft, maybe more. Is that what you meant by
"just a bit more than 2m"?
> I don't see the 4ft headroom Rod needs - it just isn't there.
I never said it was there. I said 4ft or more ("solid") is needed. That's
entirely different from 4ft is standard or available.
I don't know the exact dimensions, but my estimation puts the overhead space
at 2.5ft in for an aisle seat without an overhead luggage compartment. In a
window seat, you might have 7 to 12 in. above your head to the bottom of the
overhead luggage compartment.
Most airlines require seatbelts for take-off, landing, and known turbulence.
It's the unknown turbulence that's the issue. Most airlines allow you to
take your seatbelt off for periods of flight. In those situations, you're
definately going to crash into the ceiling, without a seat belt, with bad
turbulence, no matter what seat you're in, but the aisle seat has far more
headroom.
> The absolute minimum
> height of a bunk is 60cm (2ft), anything less feels to crammed. Which
> gives you about as much headroom as a normal upright seat (40cm).
...
> For
> takeoff and landing, which seems to require an upright position, you
> have to fold the bunks into seats, which would move the upper bunks down
> a bit.
An upright position for a bunk? That entirely defeats reasons for using a
bunk: (more people) per (total volume). You're just cargo ...
Rod Pemberton
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 22:02 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <3940763.g1W8CZJZWJ@sunwukong.fritz.box> |
| In reply to | #16472 |
Paul Rubin wrote: > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: >> There is one record of a type -3 bike (that's the only >> hand+foot-powered bike in the list), from 1977. > > It occurs to me, I may have been thinking of a human powered aircraft > rather than a bike. These are pedalled, as well... I really think you are confusing them with wheelchairs. There are some pretty speedy hands-only recumbent wheelchars, which have set records that put upright bikers with big legs to shame. > This sounds sort of like couchette trains. I've liked using them but > I can imagine some types of travelers resisting them. Some of the busses in Vietnam have half/half upright and beds inside. The upright places sell for less than half the price. These busses are considerably older than the modern sleeper-only busses. It looks like during the transition time from normal busses to sleeper busses some people have resisted the beds. The action for an airline would be to first take out only half of the economy class seats, replace them with beds, and then let the customer decide. >> IMHO this all demonstrates a total inability to think out of the box. > > I wonder if European long distance trains still have those cabins > where > the bench seats slide together so you can lay down on them. I had the > impression they were all changing to airline-style upright seats, > which seemed unfortunate to me. It probably depends on how long your journey is. With modern high-speed trains, especially in France, you get from everywhere to everywhere else in a few hours. In China, where couchettes are the norm (though, when you book late on a full train, you get an upright seat, because they are the only ones left ;-), the new high-speed trains have normal upright seats only. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-20 17:07 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <7xwqykg01e.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #16498 |
Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: >> It occurs to me, I may have been thinking of a human powered aircraft >> rather than a bike. > > These are pedalled, as well... I really think you are confusing them > with wheelchairs. http://www.agrc.umd.edu/gamera/gamera2/gamera2-human-power.html indicates a 20% power gain from the hand cranks in a human powered helicopter. That is pretty recent though; whatever it is that I was thinking of is much older. It does look like the famous Gossamer Condor and Gossamer Albatross were pedal powered. > first take out only half of the economy class seats, replace them with > beds, and then let the customer decide. For non-business travel, most people I know just go for the lowest possible fare and tolerate whatever inconvenience it brings. > It probably depends on how long your journey is. With modern high-speed > trains, especially in France, you get from everywhere to everywhere else > in a few hours. I think the longest routes (is there still a Paris to Istanbul train?) must still take a day or longer.
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-20 14:48 -1000 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <SpednextEcbl2x7NnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #16523 |
On 10/20/12 2:07 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: ... >> first take out only half of the economy class seats, replace them with >> beds, and then let the customer decide. > > For non-business travel, most people I know just go for the lowest > possible fare and tolerate whatever inconvenience it brings. > >> It probably depends on how long your journey is. With modern high-speed >> trains, especially in France, you get from everywhere to everywhere else >> in a few hours. > > I think the longest routes (is there still a Paris to Istanbul train?) > must still take a day or longer. The truly wonderful thing about high-speed trains is what they *don't* have: airports. Dealing with airports adds 3-4 hrs to every flight, more if there are connections. Cheers, Elizabeth -- ================================================== Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784 5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90045 http://www.forth.com "Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973." ==================================================
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2012-10-21 02:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <3086915.KI9kVOdXY9@sunwukong.fritz.box> |
| In reply to | #16523 |
Paul Rubin wrote: >> It probably depends on how long your journey is. With modern >> high-speed trains, especially in France, you get from everywhere to >> everywhere else in a few hours. > > I think the longest routes (is there still a Paris to Istanbul train?) > must still take a day or longer. No. The last remainder of the "Orient express" went just from Straßbourgh to Vienna until 2009. You get long-distance trains in countries with poor population, like China (as I said, mostly sleeper trains, the wagons with seats are for passengers who only travel a few stops). There, you can get a train tricket for a fraction of the price of a flight - then people use the trains. In Germany, a long-distance train e.g. from Munich to Hamburg, can be more expensive than a flight - and that's a distance where the flight is only slightly faster (considering going to airports which are not very close to the city, security and boarding, etc., while the train stations still are in the city centers). Paris to Istambul? Three hours flight, way cheaper than the Orient express could be. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-20 22:30 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <7xd30cxugk.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #16525 |
Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: > You get long-distance trains in countries with poor population, like > China... In Germany, a long-distance train e.g. from Munich to Hamburg, > can be more expensive than a flight ... Oh well, that seems like a relatively recent and unnecessary change. I visited Europe in the 1990's and I rode the trains around a lot and I thought they were one of the best parts. I don't think flying has gotten any better or cheaper since then, so there must have been a change in priorities for some other reason. Trains are slower than flying, but far more energy efficient, and if you can get a good sleep on an overnight train, then what's the advantage of getting there faster? You had to sleep someplace anyway--you may as well get two things done at once. The US train system (Amtrak) has always sucked and is about as bad now as it has always been, but recently it has had an upsurge in popularity. That's because flying has gotten so much worse (security crap etc.) that the trains are now at a relative advantage. Amtrak management recognizes what is going on and are very much resisting the TSA attempts to put airport-like measures into train stations.
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| From | Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-21 04:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Trains [Was: mr paysan where is your chip?] |
| Message-ID | <99Sdndac49IcWR7NnZ2dnUVZ8tWdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #16533 |
Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: >> You get long-distance trains in countries with poor population, like >> China... In Germany, a long-distance train e.g. from Munich to Hamburg, >> can be more expensive than a flight ... > > Oh well, that seems like a relatively recent and unnecessary change. I > visited Europe in the 1990's and I rode the trains around a lot and I > thought they were one of the best parts. I don't think flying has > gotten any better or cheaper since then, so there must have been a > change in priorities for some other reason. Infrastructure for trains is expensive, of course, but also air fuel doesn't carry any tax or duty. This is an odd state of affairs, but it's an international treaty that's hard to unwind. > Trains are slower than flying, but far more energy efficient, and if > you can get a good sleep on an overnight train, then what's the > advantage of getting there faster? You had to sleep someplace > anyway--you may as well get two things done at once. It's not that easy to sleep on an overnight train! Having said that, I've travelled many times overnight and it's better than flying, for sure. With regard to the kinds of journeys I make, a train from London to Amsterdam takes at least 4:40 (as opposed to 1:10 in the air) but that's city centre to centre -- there's no travel to and from airports. Also, while trains are far from perfect, short-haul flights are frequently delayed. I'd rather take a laptop and a book and sit on the train. Andrew.
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| From | Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 19:28 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <9447559.7DiH7TSPhJ@sunwukong.fritz.box> |
| In reply to | #16418 |
Paul Rubin wrote: > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: >> That's what you *heard*. You don't have any own experience. A >> "short- wheeler" is about as easy to maneuver as a normal bike; > > Including at very low (walking) speeds, which are sometimes necessary > on city streets due to having to keep moving and wait for traffic at > the same time? Yes, although that takes a little more effort to learn. >> And typical recumbent bikes - with rider - are about as high as a >> normal car. > > Some people do use recumbents around here and I can tell you, they are > harder to see from a car. Maybe not all models are like that. In any case, when you ride a bike, you should better asume you are invisible. I'd say that more people see me on the recumbent than on an upright bike, but it's still 30% who don't see me at all (on neither bike). >> Don't know, the speed records are usually achieved by good >> aerodynamics. Muscle strength is not an issue with riding a bicycle, >> it's getting >> enough oxygen inside. That's why Tour de France winners take Epo. > > Speed records aren't endurance contests like the Tour de France. > They're about getting the maximmum possible instantaneous power. So > it probably helps to use more muscles at the same time. Maybe for a quarter mile contest or so, yes; this might make sense. Most bicycle speed tests are maximum speed and that takes more than a quarter mile to reach. >>> [Munich o San Francisco] >> they chose to fly to London first > > That does sound a little odd, unless they wanted to shop at Heathrow > Airport (lots of overpriced stores there) or something like that. We have lots of overpriced stores at the Munich airport ;-). > More sensible would be to stop in (e.g.) New York which is about 6 > hours from Munich, I think. That's not on the way (you are probably looking at a flat earth map), NYC is 9 hours flight time, and then another 5:30 hours across continent vs. 11 hours direct flight. The earth is round, the "detour" over Greenland is really a shortcut. Last possible stop is Reykjavik. For business trips I travel with hand luggage only, that alone cuts the travel time by 2 hours. It takes very careful consideration what you take with you. Wearing anything better than a black turtleneck at Apple IMHO is offensively overdressed. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://bernd-paysan.de/
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| From | gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 00:33 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <2cd31060-8ea5-4297-a9b7-553cf2bc5a36@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #16439 |
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:28:28 AM UTC-7, Bernd Paysan wrote: > Paul Rubin wrote: > > > > > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: > > >> That's what you *heard*. You don't have any own experience. A > > >> "short- wheeler" is about as easy to maneuver as a normal bike; > > > > > > Including at very low (walking) speeds, which are sometimes necessary > > > on city streets due to having to keep moving and wait for traffic at > > > the same time? > > > > Yes, although that takes a little more effort to learn. > > > > >> And typical recumbent bikes - with rider - are about as high as a > > >> normal car. > > > > > > Some people do use recumbents around here and I can tell you, they are > > > harder to see from a car. Maybe not all models are like that. > > > > In any case, when you ride a bike, you should better asume you are > > invisible. I'd say that more people see me on the recumbent than on an > > upright bike, but it's still 30% who don't see me at all (on neither > > bike). > > > > >> Don't know, the speed records are usually achieved by good > > >> aerodynamics. Muscle strength is not an issue with riding a bicycle, > > >> it's getting > > >> enough oxygen inside. That's why Tour de France winners take Epo. > > > > > > Speed records aren't endurance contests like the Tour de France. > > > They're about getting the maximmum possible instantaneous power. So > > > it probably helps to use more muscles at the same time. > > > > Maybe for a quarter mile contest or so, yes; this might make sense. > > Most bicycle speed tests are maximum speed and that takes more than a > > quarter mile to reach. > > > > >>> [Munich o San Francisco] > > >> they chose to fly to London first > > > > > > That does sound a little odd, unless they wanted to shop at Heathrow > > > Airport (lots of overpriced stores there) or something like that. > > > > We have lots of overpriced stores at the Munich airport ;-). > > > > > More sensible would be to stop in (e.g.) New York which is about 6 > > > hours from Munich, I think. > > > > That's not on the way (you are probably looking at a flat earth map), > > NYC is 9 hours flight time, and then another 5:30 hours across continent > > vs. 11 hours direct flight. The earth is round, the "detour" over > > Greenland is really a shortcut. Last possible stop is Reykjavik. > > > > For business trips I travel with hand luggage only, that alone cuts the > > travel time by 2 hours. It takes very careful consideration what you > > take with you. Wearing anything better than a black turtleneck at Apple > > IMHO is offensively overdressed. > > > > -- > > Bernd Paysan > > "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" > > http://bernd-paysan.de/ I heard the recumbant bike beats normal upright bike in most speed races. Interesting metaphore. Perhaps forth is like the recumbant. Weird but fast?
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| From | gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 01:00 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <a49d1fb8-8856-4d44-a5e9-33fb3361c015@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #16439 |
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:28:28 AM UTC-7, Bernd Paysan wrote: > Paul Rubin wrote: > > > > > Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: > > >> That's what you *heard*. You don't have any own experience. A > > >> "short- wheeler" is about as easy to maneuver as a normal bike; > > > > > > Including at very low (walking) speeds, which are sometimes necessary > > > on city streets due to having to keep moving and wait for traffic at > > > the same time? > > > > Yes, although that takes a little more effort to learn. > > > > >> And typical recumbent bikes - with rider - are about as high as a > > >> normal car. > > > > > > Some people do use recumbents around here and I can tell you, they are > > > harder to see from a car. Maybe not all models are like that. > > > > In any case, when you ride a bike, you should better asume you are > > invisible. I'd say that more people see me on the recumbent than on an > > upright bike, but it's still 30% who don't see me at all (on neither > > bike). > > > > >> Don't know, the speed records are usually achieved by good > > >> aerodynamics. Muscle strength is not an issue with riding a bicycle, > > >> it's getting > > >> enough oxygen inside. That's why Tour de France winners take Epo. > > > > > > Speed records aren't endurance contests like the Tour de France. > > > They're about getting the maximmum possible instantaneous power. So > > > it probably helps to use more muscles at the same time. > > > > Maybe for a quarter mile contest or so, yes; this might make sense. > > Most bicycle speed tests are maximum speed and that takes more than a > > quarter mile to reach. > > > > >>> [Munich o San Francisco] > > >> they chose to fly to London first > > > > > > That does sound a little odd, unless they wanted to shop at Heathrow > > > Airport (lots of overpriced stores there) or something like that. > > > > We have lots of overpriced stores at the Munich airport ;-). > > > > > More sensible would be to stop in (e.g.) New York which is about 6 > > > hours from Munich, I think. > > > > That's not on the way (you are probably looking at a flat earth map), > > NYC is 9 hours flight time, and then another 5:30 hours across continent > > vs. 11 hours direct flight. The earth is round, the "detour" over > > Greenland is really a shortcut. Last possible stop is Reykjavik. > > > > For business trips I travel with hand luggage only, that alone cuts the > > travel time by 2 hours. It takes very careful consideration what you > > take with you. Wearing anything better than a black turtleneck at Apple > > IMHO is offensively overdressed. > > > > -- > > Bernd Paysan > > "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" > > http://bernd-paysan.de/ what about up hill on recumbant bike? isn't that a bitch?
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| From | Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-10-19 11:45 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <7x7gqmjo6p.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com> |
| In reply to | #16439 |
Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> writes: >> New York which is about 6 hours from Munich, I think. ... > NYC is 9 hours flight time, and then another 5:30 hours across continent > vs. 11 hours direct flight. Hmm, ok. http://www.travelmath.com/flying-time/from/MUC/to/JFK says 8h in either direction. Anyway, I've flown from Europe to the eastern US several times, but Europe to California nonstop only once, and that last one seemed like an interminably long flight compared to the others.
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| From | stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 18:26 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <508047f5.36852989@192.168.0.50> |
| In reply to | #16403 |
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:30:59 -0700, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: >Flying from Europe to San Francisco takes something like 10 hours and I >can understand why most people wouldn't want to sit on a nonstop flight >for that long. 10 hours is just what it takes. The aisles can be used for walking. One puts up with it for the joy of emerging in a new country and/or continent. In my time, I've done a lot of intercontinental travel. IMHO and that of many others, an indirect flight is a nightmare. The only real way to reduce the pain is to pay for business class. Stephen -- Stephen Pelc, stephenXXX@mpeforth.com MicroProcessor Engineering Ltd - More Real, Less Time 133 Hill Lane, Southampton SO15 5AF, England tel: +44 (0)23 8063 1441, fax: +44 (0)23 8033 9691 web: http://www.mpeforth.com - free VFX Forth downloads
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| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
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| Date | 2012-10-18 08:45 -1000 |
| Subject | Re: mr paysan where is your chip? |
| Message-ID | <B4udnSnc49Kt0x3NnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #16442 |
On 10/18/12 8:26 AM, Stephen Pelc wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 12:30:59 -0700, Paul Rubin > <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> Flying from Europe to San Francisco takes something like 10 hours and I >> can understand why most people wouldn't want to sit on a nonstop flight >> for that long. > > 10 hours is just what it takes. The aisles can be used for walking. > One puts up with it for the joy of emerging in a new country and/or > continent. > > In my time, I've done a lot of intercontinental travel. IMHO and that > of many others, an indirect flight is a nightmare. The only real way > to reduce the pain is to pay for business class. So true. The one real pain of living in Hawaii (which I do) is that it adds 5 hrs plus a connection to get to Europe (total typically ~18-20). On the other hand, in theory we're a lot closer to Asia, NZ, and Australia. It's 9 hrs to Auckland, 10 to Sydney. But the major US airlines insist on routing you through LA or SF, which are 5 hrs in the wrong direction and runs the total up to ~24! The only hope is to go via Air New Zealand or Qantas, both of which have 2 or 3 nonstops from Honolulu each week. Cheers, Elizabeth -- ================================================== Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784 5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90045 http://www.forth.com "Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973." ==================================================
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