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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:55:26 -0400, <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:38:30 PM UTC-7, Bernd Paysan wrote:
>> Jason Damisch wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:36:56 PM UTC-7, foxaudio...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:

>> >> that driverless cars were not in the foreseeable future.
>> >> They were being tested in 2010.
>
> [...]
>
> The problem I foresee, is that all of the cars will be using the same  
> algorithm,

Unlikely, the Germans would never use an algorithm the Americans
developed.  It's a matter of pride or nationalism or racism or some
other insane irrationality to them.  The Japanese and Chinese would
develop their own simply because they can, superiority complexes, but
claiming that cost or control was needed.

> Of course, we have the same problem with people. One person slows down  
> to gawk at a traffic accident on the other side of the road, and the  
> people behind have to slow down to avoid rear-ending him. But, while  
> they are driving slow they become distracted by gawking at the traffic  
> accident on the other side of the road, and so they don't speed up as  
> soon as the should --- pretty soon you have miles of traffic jam and the  
> vast majority don't know why they are driving so slow, and there is no  
> physical problem with the road to cause anybody to drive slow.

If the cop never turned on his lights or the news announcer never
announced snow or rain, most traffic jams wouldn't occur either.
So, this is a cascade failure, part of human nature in groups,
fearing something that isn't likely to happen to them.

> Maybe computers will actually be smarter than people because they are  
> less likely to be distracted.

There is no doubt in my mind that computers will excel with math
and logic.  It's the irrational and emotional and religious aspects
of human nature which we classify as part of our consciousness that
will not be mastered by machines.  This will also allow us to declare
otherwise sentient machines as being non-sentient allowing us to murder
them without cause and without it being a crime, much like we do with
hunting of animals or killing of livestock.

> When the AI enthusiasts predict that
> computers will someday be as smart as people, I always ask: "Does this
> mean that the computers will smoke crack, watch television, and collect
> welfare?" We can add "cause traffic jams" to that list as well.

Smart is not the same as rational.  Don't conflate the two.
There are many smart, but irrational liberals.  Some are lame
comedians on TV.

> To avoid the feedback-loop problem, the cars' algorithm would need a
> random element, so it is not doing the same thing as every other car,
> and a harmonic-resonance will be disrupted.

It's a design feature.  When cars are moving in a pack and controlled
by computers, no one can travel faster than the slowest moving vehicle
for undetermined safety reasons ...

> So, if you're riding in an automated car, and it suddenly switches
> lanes for no apparent reason or does some other pointless maneuver,
> that would be the Random-Number-God taking control.

More likely it would be a hacker or rogue government agency with
too much authority to hide it's crimes.  We can't keep Russian
and Chinese hackers out of our computer systems now.  Obama can't
keep American Mexicans from jumping the fence at the White House.
There is no way he could stop Mexican Mexicans from jumping the
fence at the border.


Rod Pemberton

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forth to drive automated fast food machines gavino_himself <visploveslisp@gmail.com> - 2014-10-14 16:47 -0700
  Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-10-15 22:12 +0100
    Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2014-10-15 18:36 -0700
      Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-16 07:52 -0700
        Re: Google to drive car (was forth to drive automated fast food machines) "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-10-16 16:45 +0100
        Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-16 21:38 +0200
          Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 15:49 -0400
            Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-17 01:26 +0200
              Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines Just Ian <superian@gmail.com> - 2014-10-16 17:09 -0700
                Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-17 02:29 +0200
              Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 23:32 -0800
          Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines hughaguilar96@yahoo.com - 2014-10-16 19:55 -0700
            Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-17 22:40 -0400
          Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 23:33 -0800
        Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-17 22:35 -0400
    Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 23:25 -0800
  Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-17 22:34 -0400
    Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-11-08 23:30 -0800
      Re: forth to drive automated fast food machines "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-11-09 06:08 -0500

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