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Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE

From Wolf Wejgaard <wolf@holonforth.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE
Date 2014-12-06 08:53 +0100
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Am 05.12.14 09:05, schrieb m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl:
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 4:54:41 PM UTC+1, Wolf Wejgaard wrote:
> [..]
>> What fascinates me: Forth is usually built on a very low or less low
>> level language, mostly assembler or C. You have to create all the
>> useful high-level stuff yourself, [..]
>
> I don't see how this can be true. Most modern Forths are able to
> call foreign code, and all C, Fortran, audio, video, database and
> whatever libraries are available that way. Moreover, you can also
> call interpreted languages or utilities (e.g. I use Matlab, Scilab,
> gnuplot, Tcl/Tk, bash, and Excel that way on a day-to-day basis).
>
> What could be true of course (although very hard to believe),
> is that in TclForth it is much easier to call Tcl (and I assume
> Tk) than it would be in vanilla Forth. Then, if performance is
> unimportant, to have only Tcl to fall back on would be no
> disadvantage at all.  Of course, having a Forth written in
> assembly language is absolutely no guarantee it is high
> performance.  In such a case you would have only have
> advantages :-)
>
> -marcel
>

TclForth _is_ Tcl, with a layer of Forth to handle postscript notation. 
Forth source is compiled to Tcl proc's and further processed in the Tcl 
engine. See http://wiki.tcl.tk/37199 .

There is no calling Tcl/Tk from apart, like iForth. I had hoped to 
demonstrate it in the TclForth version of your extended example in the 
thread last year
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.forth/UKUKX7OGRH8/aUD0hjglTGoJ

The graphics toolkit Tk is a part of the native language of TclForth :)

Wolf

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TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wolf@holonforth.com> - 2014-10-08 11:40 +0200
  Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-10-08 11:53 +0000
  Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wolf@holonforth.com> - 2014-10-08 17:41 +0200
    Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Joachim Merkel <jm@7fun.de> - 2014-11-30 22:20 +0100
      Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wolf@holonforth.com> - 2014-12-04 16:54 +0100
        Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE m.a.m.hendrix@tue.nl - 2014-12-05 00:05 -0800
          Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-12-04 22:47 -1000
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-12-05 19:04 +0100
              Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wejgaard@gmail.com> - 2015-01-21 02:23 -0800
          Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wolf@holonforth.com> - 2014-12-06 08:53 +0100
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE mhx@iae.nl - 2014-12-06 00:21 -0800
        Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-05 03:16 -0600
          Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wolf@holonforth.com> - 2014-12-06 09:31 +0100
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-06 04:16 -0600
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-12-06 10:40 +0000
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-12-06 12:42 +0000
              Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wejgaard@gmail.com> - 2015-01-21 02:26 -0800
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Joachim Merkel <jm412@gmx.de> - 2014-12-06 18:11 +0100
              Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Joachim Merkel <jm@g7up.de> - 2014-12-06 18:25 +0100
              Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Joachim Merkel <jm@7up.de> - 2014-12-06 18:42 +0100
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE mix <mix@test.net> - 2014-12-15 18:55 +0000
              Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-12-16 01:27 +0100
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2014-12-16 01:50 +0100
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE mix <mix@test.net> - 2014-12-16 05:04 +0000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-16 04:08 -0600
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE mix <mix@test.net> - 2014-12-16 23:32 +0000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-12-16 14:45 -1000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE mix <mix@test.net> - 2014-12-17 06:01 +0000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-12-16 22:21 -1000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-17 02:24 -0600
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-12-16 23:07 -1000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-17 08:21 -0600
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-12-17 08:57 -1000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE JennyB <jennybrien@googlemail.com> - 2014-12-17 04:52 -0800
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2014-12-17 09:58 +0000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE mix <mix@test.net> - 2014-12-18 04:11 +0000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE mix <mix@test.net> - 2014-12-18 04:16 +0000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-17 02:11 -0600
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2014-12-17 13:17 +0000
                Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 06:24 -0800
        Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-05 03:19 -0600
          Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Wolf Wejgaard <wolf@holonforth.com> - 2014-12-06 09:31 +0100
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-12-06 04:19 -0600
            Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-12-08 01:14 -0500
  Re: TclForth Notes: Always Compiling, Forth without STATE the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2014-12-17 05:42 -0800

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