Re: Stoked

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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
> This isn't making any sense to me.  I'm not sure what programs you are
> working on, but if you are targeting an embedded target I see no
> reason why an ARM server would be of any real value.

Nah, the ARM server is for general hacking which for me is mostly server
side.  Mecrisp is the one embedded-related thing I'd like to try on it
(well maybe later develop code intended for a Cortex-M) but it's a small
component.  Anyway at $3 a month I can afford a server like this just
for messing around, at least for a while.

> When you talk about the entire development system being on the
> embedded MSP430 target and then you talk about 7 hour builds, I can
> only figure you are living in a different universe than I am.

The 7 hour build was totally unrelated to the MSP430 thing.  I just
mentioned it to get across that a remote server lets you kick off long
computing tasks and forget about them til they finish, unlike bogging
down your workstation or laptop with such a thing.

>> 2) I wanted a 32-bit system to mess with and my laptop has a 64 bit OS.
> To develop code for a 16 bit target...

Nah, mostly for other things.  Also want to figure out how to use LXC
containers.

> I have no idea what you could be doing that would crash a PC to the
> point you need to reinstall the OS.

Have too many interfering package installs breaking version dependencies
between program, that sort of thing.  I want to try out some so-called
functional package managers (Guix and NixOS) that try to fix this.  But
they themselves may interfere with the regular OS installation so I'd
rather use a burner machine that I rebuild from scratch easily.

>> 4) I'd like to try ARM-specific software like Mecrisp, which has an
>>     ARM Linux port.
> Which you could run on the MSP430 target instead.

I don't have the MSP430 target board at the moment.  Someone mentioned
an MSP430 simulator, and the ARM server might be a good host for that,
since if the simulator busy-loops (I don't know if it does), the ARM is
low-powered and unshared so it won't waste too many electrons or
interfere with other people's work while spinning away.

> The $10 MSP430 board is *free* to use once you get in house.

It's $18 but then there's the (for me) somewhat significant hurdle of
actually connecting it to a computer and getting it to do something.
Writing code is easier for me than mucking with hardware.

Anyway $18 is 6 months of the ARM server running 24/7.  If I shut down
the server when I'm not using it (hourly billing), expenditures go to
near zero.

> A tethered forth is some work to get going and is *exactly* the
> dedicated environment with dependencies on both the target and host
> that you were saying you wanted to avoid.

Yes, if you're going to deal with those dependencies then you might
as well go 100% and get all the benefits.  

> The lack of real documentation is an issue.  I have an FPGA/CPU SoC
> board I want to work with.  If I get that working I will try this next.

Cool.  I do think the 8266 software is pretty well understood by now.
I'm actually more likely to buy the Adafruit board than the Olimex one.

I saw a page recently about a TINY Cortex-M0+ / Bluetooth LE module,
that looked about like a microSD card.  Maybe that's also of interest.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to find the URL when I looked for it again,
but it will probably turn up.

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Stoked Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 09:04 -0700
  Re: Stoked Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 09:18 -0700
    Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 12:35 -0400
      Re: Stoked Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 09:54 -0700
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        Re: Stoked Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-28 11:21 -0700
        Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 14:24 -0400
          Re: Stoked Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 13:12 -0700
            Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 16:31 -0400
          Re: Stoked Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-28 14:55 -0700
            Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 01:36 -0400
          Re: Stoked Alfred Singlestone <vitonis@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 06:01 -0700
            Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:22 -0400
          Re: Stoked Marcos Cruz <use_the_contact_page@programandala.net> - 2015-11-07 17:50 +0000
            Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 13:04 -0500
              Re: Stoked Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-07 10:19 -0800
                Re: Stoked "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-07 08:29 -1000
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                Re: Stoked Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-07 23:17 -0800
                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 02:49 -0500
                Re: Stoked Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 00:06 -0800
                Re: Stoked Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-08 01:40 -0800
                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 15:18 -0500
                Re: Stoked Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-08 13:31 -0800
                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 17:19 -0500
                Re: Stoked Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-11 20:49 -0800
                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 00:57 -0500
                Re: Stoked hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-11-11 22:24 -0800
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                Re: Stoked Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 00:03 -0800
                Re: Stoked Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-12 19:37 -0800
                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 15:24 -0500
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                Re: Stoked Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-09 14:19 +0000
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                Re: Stoked Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-08 18:23 +0000
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                Re: Stoked Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-08 18:45 +0000
                Re: Stoked Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-08 10:53 -0800
                Re: Stoked Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-08 21:25 +0000
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                Re: Stoked Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-11-15 12:50 +0100
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                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 00:07 -0500
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                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 02:22 -0500
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                Re: Stoked Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-10 13:48 +0000
                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 16:17 -0500
                Re: Stoked "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-11-10 17:26 -0500
                Re: Stoked "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-11-08 21:50 -1000
                Re: Stoked stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-11-09 12:15 +0000
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                Re: Stoked stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-11-24 12:54 +0000
                Re: Stoked Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-11-24 15:03 +0100
                Emulating a 16-bit Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-11-25 13:18 +0100
                Re: Emulating a 16-bit Forth Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-11-25 14:08 +0100
                Re: Stoked Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-09 14:30 +0000
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                Re: Stoked Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-08 17:49 +0000
        Re: Stoked stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-28 23:24 +0000
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            Re: Stoked stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-29 10:16 +0000
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                Re: Stoked rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 01:33 -0400
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                Re: Stoked stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-30 11:52 +0000
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              Re: Stoked stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-30 11:50 +0000
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        Re: Stoked "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-29 01:58 -0400
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    Re: Stoked "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-28 18:41 -0400
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      Re: Stoked "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-12-12 11:25 -0500
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