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Re: [Random] Escape the trolls

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: [Random] Escape the trolls
Date 2017-04-16 14:47 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2017Apr16.164730@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
References (5 earlier) <9b5a1faa-dfa6-470e-8797-ce2e4f117e7d@googlegroups.com> <2017Apr15.095213@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <ocss07$6gd$1@dont-email.me> <2017Apr15.135348@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <octo9v$aja$1@newsreader4.netcologne.de>

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Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> writes:
>UTF-8 is generally a bad idea when working with non-European languages, 
>as most code points have to be encoded in three or more bytes.
>UCS-16, or, if you want full Unicode, UTF-16, scales much better in 
>international applications.

I find it interesting that you mentioned only space savings here, and
when that was debunked shifted the goal posts.

Anyway, your claim is not new, and has been debunked more thoroughly
quite some time ago, in particular in
<http://utf8everywhere.org/#asian>.  There they find that the article
about Japan in the Japanese Wikipedia takes 55% more space (1186KB
instead of 767KB, 419KB difference) in UTF-16 than in UTF-8.  If you
convert it from HTML into dense plain text, UTF-16 saves 21% (176KB
instead of 222KB, 46KB).  So if your computer deals with more than 9
times more dense plain text than HTML, UTF-16 starts being a (tiny)
win.  Most people, though, deal with more HTML, and then UTF-8 is a
win.

- anton
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[Random] Escape the trolls Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 22:46 -0700
  Re: [Random] Escape the trolls NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 10:53 -0700
    Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 11:26 -0700
      Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 15:30 -0400
        Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 12:45 -0700
          Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 16:02 -0400
          Re: [Random] Escape the trolls NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 13:13 -0700
            Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 16:18 -0400
              Re: [Random] Escape the trolls NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 13:25 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 16:49 -0400
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-14 21:59 +0100
              Re: [Random] Escape the trolls josv@planet.nl - 2017-04-15 04:09 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 12:45 -0400
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 18:50 +0200
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls NN <november.nihal@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 15:45 -0700
          Re: [Random] Escape the trolls hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 14:46 -0700
            Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 15:35 -0700
              Re: [Random] Escape the trolls hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 16:24 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-15 00:34 +0100
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-15 00:36 +0100
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 20:58 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 00:24 -0400
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 21:40 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 02:32 -0400
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-15 07:50 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-15 08:15 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 13:10 -0400
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 19:27 +0200
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 14:25 -0400
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-17 14:05 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-16 01:42 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 21:51 -0400
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-16 02:10 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Coos Haak <htrofhc@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 14:29 +0200
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-16 13:58 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-16 16:11 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-16 22:18 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 07:54 +0100
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-17 23:32 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls "Rudy Velthuis" <newsgroups@rvelthuis.de> - 2017-04-17 23:33 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 22:33 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 22:52 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-15 07:52 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-15 11:20 +0100
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-15 11:53 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-15 19:10 +0100
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-17 14:19 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2017-04-15 20:21 +0200
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-15 20:33 +0100
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Bernd Linsel <bl1@gmx.com> - 2017-04-16 11:50 +0200
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-16 14:22 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2017-04-16 14:47 +0000
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-15 16:55 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2017-04-15 17:03 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Alex <alex@rivadpm.com> - 2017-04-15 11:37 +0100
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 16:51 -0700
                Re: [Random] Escape the trolls rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 21:24 -0400

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