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Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`)

From anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`)
Date 2015-10-31 15:03 +0000
Organization Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID <2015Oct31.160359@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> writes:
>It's a different situation entirely for MPE though. For MPE, the 
>only choice he would have in that circumstance, would be to
>support two systems in parallel; ANS94 and xxxx (too late for 2000x).
>His client with 1.2 million lines of code will not be happy if his
>code breaks over night because VFX is brought into line with a new
>standard; therefore MPE would have a create a new product, derived
>perhaps from VFX, but not called VFX supporting the new portable 
>standard. Thus he now has two products support until his clients
>can port across to the new standard.

No, in this case (the 1 chars = 1 proposal) no such thing is
necessary.  VFX already implements the proposal and all Forth systems
of MPE and Forth, Inc., and nearly all others always have implemented
the proposal.  The 1.2M line program works on VFX, and would probably
break if VFX changed to 1 chars > 1.  So Stephen Pelc actually wants
to, in his terms, keep his client's program disenfranchised by not
standardizing a feature that is extremely common practice among both
systems and programs.

The reason he gives is that there are a few systems around that have
explored this corner of the standard; however insignificant these
systems are, they are apparently more significant in his opinion than
all the programs around that have a dependency on 1 chars = 1,
including his client's 1.2M line program.

>But I'm encouraged to see you aknowledge that the current standard
>does not meet the goal of portability.

The problem is that program portability is not a goal desired by
everyone in the community, not even everyone on the Forth-200x
committee.

- anton
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alternatives to `find` Marcos Cruz <use_the_contact_page@programandala.net> - 2015-10-21 20:09 +0000
  Re: alternatives to `find` anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-22 05:54 +0000
    Re: alternatives to `find` Marcos Cruz <use_the_contact_page@programandala.net> - 2015-10-22 15:37 +0000
      Re: alternatives to `find` Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 22:03 -0700
        Re: alternatives to `find` Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-22 22:14 -0700
          Re: alternatives to `find` hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-10-23 01:28 -0700
          Re: alternatives to `find` Marcos Cruz <use_the_contact_page@programandala.net> - 2015-10-23 12:12 +0000
          Re: alternatives to `find` anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-26 11:39 +0000
            Re: alternatives to `find` Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 05:14 -0700
        Re: alternatives to `find` Marcos Cruz <use_the_contact_page@programandala.net> - 2015-10-23 12:30 +0000
          Re: alternatives to `find` Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 22:52 -0700
            Re: alternatives to `find` Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-23 23:14 -0700
            Re: alternatives to `find` Marcos Cruz <use_the_contact_page@programandala.net> - 2015-10-24 11:15 +0000
              Re: alternatives to `find` Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-10-24 14:34 +0200
                Re: alternatives to `find` anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-24 14:45 +0000
                Re: alternatives to `find` Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-10-24 17:23 +0200
            Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Marcos Cruz <use_the_contact_page@programandala.net> - 2015-10-24 11:53 +0000
              Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 22:48 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-24 21:05 -1000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 01:34 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-24 22:45 -1000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-25 09:16 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-25 08:46 -1000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-10-25 21:31 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-25 18:50 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 01:57 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-26 02:07 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 11:14 +0200
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 04:18 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-26 09:22 -1000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-10-26 21:34 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-26 10:58 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 05:59 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-26 14:58 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-27 17:09 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-28 12:50 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-28 15:56 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-28 10:31 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-28 19:26 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-28 12:37 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-28 23:03 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-28 16:21 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-28 20:37 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-28 23:13 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-29 03:01 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-29 10:04 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-29 15:29 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 04:17 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-10-30 11:36 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-31 15:25 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-10-31 20:34 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-10-30 20:51 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 01:39 -0800
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-02 11:12 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-11-02 12:09 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 05:09 -0800
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 06:23 -0800
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-02 14:39 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-11-20 16:20 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 00:26 -0800
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-31 15:03 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-31 16:35 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-01 14:07 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-11-01 21:05 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-31 16:31 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-31 20:33 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-10-29 22:27 +0100
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-29 13:19 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-29 10:00 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-29 13:29 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-29 14:04 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-29 16:29 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-29 16:42 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-29 16:13 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) mhx@iae.nl - 2015-10-29 12:19 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-31 14:12 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-10-31 16:49 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-31 10:33 -0700
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-01 14:14 +0000
                Re: Preserving standard and common use names (Re: alternatives to `find`) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-10-25 21:52 -0700
          Re: alternatives to `find` Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-10-30 12:30 +0000
      Re: alternatives to `find` anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-26 11:47 +0000
  Re: alternatives to `find` Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 06:17 -0800
    Re: alternatives to `find` Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 06:35 -0800
    Re: alternatives to `find` Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-11-02 15:45 +0100
      Re: alternatives to `find` Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 07:17 -0800
        Re: alternatives to `find` Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-02 19:39 +0000
          Re: alternatives to `find` Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:19 -0800
          Re: alternatives to `find` anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-03 11:31 +0000
            Re: alternatives to `find` Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-11-03 21:11 +0000
              MOVE and CMOVE speed (was: alternatives to `find`) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-11-04 09:52 +0000

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