Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.arch.embedded, comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad
Date	2015-04-18 13:08 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID	<2015Apr18.150859@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
>On 18/04/15 11:15, Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Anyway, Unix may have the highest proportion of programmers, but it
>> seems that non-programmers are the primary target of the Linux
>> distributions these days.  E.g., neither emacs nor vi nor Eclipse is
>> installed in Debian by default.  Or look at what programming languages
>> are installed by default.  Only those necessary for running the
>> scripts, no others.
>
>Most distros install a subset of commonly used tools, and then make it 
>easy for others to be installed.  There are vast numbers of tools, 
>editors, languages, libraries, etc., commonly used by programmers - it 
>would be ridiculous to install 2GB+ of popular programming tools when 
>even most full-time programmers won't need them.  (i.e., /you/ might 
>want emacs - but someone else will want eclipse, or vim, or jedit, or 
>netbeans, or QT tools, etc.).

So what?  The distro also installs stuff like nano and an inetd that
most people don't use.  Somehow, when I last looked (a few years ago),
Debian installed nothing that I use, except a shell and apt-get;
that's ok when I ask for a minimal install, but requiring 600MB for
that alone is a bit stiff.  Anyway, in the old days distros used to
have options that said "typical server", "typical desktop", "typical
development environment"; I have not seen the latter option for a
number of years.

And installing hundreds of packages to get a decent environment gets
old quick, even if each package is easy to install.

>> As for /opt, I don't know where that nonsense comes from, but it
>> certainly does not come from the original Unix.  Proper programs are
>> installed in one of the directories that users have in the PATH by
>> default (such as /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin) rather than somewhere in
>> /opt (which indicates that the programmer is too lazy to make a
>> working "make install").
>
>You appear to be supremely confident that your own personal usage of 
>Linux, and your own (somewhat lacking and biased) view of OS history, is 
>/the/ truth and /the/ right way to do things.

Sure, comes from experience, not just with Linux, but also with other
Unices for about 29 years.  If you want to counter my point, you could
try explaining the benefits of /opt instead of making an ad-hominem
attack.

- anton
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Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 21:08 -0400
  Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 21:47 -0400
  Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 23:37 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-16 20:59 -0700
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2015-04-17 13:16 +0000
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 00:19 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-16 21:56 -0700
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 14:47 -0400
          WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 15:12 -0400
            Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-17 20:14 +0000
              Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 16:59 -0400
            Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 10:00 +0200
              Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 09:32 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-18 15:15 +0000
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:31 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line   Breaking Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2015-04-18 19:21 +0300
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line   Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 16:39 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-04-18 18:52 +0100
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking "Rod Pemberton" <bork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-04-18 18:55 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-19 09:13 +0100
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-19 13:22 +0300
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-19 22:09 +0200
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-17 21:15 +0100
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 17:02 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-18 17:06 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 16:57 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 09:33 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-20 18:03 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 01:16 -0400
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:20 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:24 -0700
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:40 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:57 -0700
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 10:04 +0200
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-04-18 09:38 +0100
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:04 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 17:54 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad hal-usenet@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) - 2015-04-18 15:36 -0500
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-04-23 07:59 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 14:35 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 15:44 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-08 12:00 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 03:36 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-10 10:32 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-05-10 12:56 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 10:48 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-10 16:05 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 08:55 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 13:13 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 15:34 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-10 11:41 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-10 16:56 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 13:01 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-18 19:22 +0000
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 17:04 -0400
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-04-20 13:24 +0300
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 13:23 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-22 20:44 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 13:51 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-04-22 19:10 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 15:31 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-04-23 02:08 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-04-24 02:52 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 14:40 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 15:42 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-17 10:52 +0000
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-17 14:05 +0300
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 07:56 -0700
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-17 17:26 +0200
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-17 17:01 +0000
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Blajrs Jrolrsen <boegre@no.com> - 2015-04-17 13:36 +0000
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-17 14:42 +0000
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2015-04-18 00:25 +0200
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:03 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:14 -0700
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:26 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:32 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:47 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-18 08:47 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:19 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-18 15:52 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 17:07 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 03:04 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-18 00:11 -0500
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 10:32 +0200
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:26 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 17:57 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-18 09:42 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 17:11 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2015-04-18 12:19 +0200
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-18 15:16 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 19:57 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-18 23:11 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-19 21:32 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-19 23:04 +0300
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-18 09:15 +0000
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 12:17 +0200
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-18 13:08 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 20:17 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-20 15:33 +0000
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 14:52 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-17 20:06 +0000

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