Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.arch.embedded, comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad
Date	2015-04-18 11:26 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 4/18/2015 4:32 AM, David Brown wrote:
> On 18/04/15 02:03, rickman wrote:
>
>> I don't wish to insult anyone.  But I will say that I have tried to
>> learn linux several times and found poor support from the linux
>> community.  Mostly I think there is an attitude that "we" (the linux
>> community) got it *right*, when there are many, many more PC users, even
>> professional programmers, than there are working under Linux.
>>
>> Ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But the problem arises when
>> it is not understood that this is an opinion, not a universal truth.
>> There are good and bad things about both linux and windows.  I would
>> like to learn about linux now, so I won't ask "why" anymore.  I'll just
>> accept the things that are goofy about it just as I have done with
>> windows for many years.
>>
>
> How people answer questions is going to vary a great deal, no matter
> what the subject and what the group - don't tar all "linux communities"
> as being bad support.  But if you /do/ feel you are getting bad support
> somewhere, ignore them or find another forum - don't stop asking
> questions, and never stop asking "why?".  It's crucial to learning.

Thank you for the support.  I *did* let it stop me from learning Linux 
on several occasions.  But now that I have a project for the rPi, I have 
more incentive to dig in.  I'm spending a lot of time with this now.

> I fully agree that there are good and bad things about Linux and
> Windows.  I couldn't do my work with only one of them.
>
> It is the "power users" from Windows that find Linux hardest, precisely
> because there are many small differences that lie under the surface,
> unseen by users who are satisfied by email, browser, media player and a
> few games.
>
> But there are many things about the Unix design that have turned out to
> be very good decisions.  When you look at the differences between Linux
> and Windows, many aspects trace their roots back to the beginnings of
> the systems - for Linux, this was Unix of the 70's, and for Windows it
> was MSDOS.

Lol, I was actually using Unix in the 70's, the era of command line 
processing.  I learned cat I recall... but not much more.  I think I 
used it some more in the 90's, but didn't find that experience rewarding 
at all.  For some reason the delete and backspace keys were reversed on 
our workstations and I was told I could define it any way I wished... 
lol.   Not much good if you don't know how to redefine it.

> And then consider where Unix came from - it came from
> serious computing professionals, big companies, big universities, big
> multi-user computers.  It has always been serious stuff, made by serious
> people.  MSDOS, on the other hand, was a con-job pulled off by a couple
> of guys (admittedly quite good programmers), hacked together for a
> marketing exercise that was never meant to be used for real work.
>
> Some Linux users therefore feel completely justified in being arrogant
> about the superiority of the Linux "guts" compared to that of Windows.
> But if it bugs you (and it certainly can be annoying), just ignore it
> and move along.

I don't care about origins or intent.  I just want to get some work done 
with the minimum of hassle.  I'm still amazed at how slow computers have 
gotten as the CPUs have gotten faster.  The rPi is no exception.  It is 
many times faster and has much more memory than the machine I first got 
on the Internet with.  But I guess browsers and HTML have changed to 
demand more.  That's the main reason why I want to use Forth.  It is 
very light weight and puts little strain on the system hosting it. 
Heck, Mecrisp runs entirely on the target!

-- 

Rick

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Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-02 21:08 -0400
  Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-13 21:47 -0400
  Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-16 23:37 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-16 20:59 -0700
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2015-04-17 13:16 +0000
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 00:19 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-16 21:56 -0700
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 14:47 -0400
          WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 15:12 -0400
            Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-17 20:14 +0000
              Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 16:59 -0400
            Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 10:00 +0200
              Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 09:32 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-18 15:15 +0000
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:31 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line   Breaking Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> - 2015-04-18 19:21 +0300
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line   Breaking rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 16:39 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-04-18 18:52 +0100
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking "Rod Pemberton" <bork@lllljunkqwer.cpm> - 2015-04-18 18:55 -0400
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-19 09:13 +0100
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-19 13:22 +0300
                Re: WAS: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad  IS: Thunderbird Line Breaking David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-19 22:09 +0200
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-17 21:15 +0100
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 17:02 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-18 17:06 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 16:57 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Alan Adams <alan@adamshome.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 09:33 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-04-20 18:03 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-21 01:16 -0400
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:20 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:24 -0700
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:40 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:57 -0700
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 10:04 +0200
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-04-18 09:38 +0100
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:04 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 17:54 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad hal-usenet@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) - 2015-04-18 15:36 -0500
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-04-23 07:59 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 14:35 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 15:44 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-08 12:00 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 03:36 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-10 10:32 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-05-10 12:56 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 10:48 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-10 16:05 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 08:55 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 13:13 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 15:34 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-05-10 11:41 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2015-05-10 16:56 +0100
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 13:01 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-04-18 19:22 +0000
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 17:04 -0400
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-04-20 13:24 +0300
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 13:23 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-22 20:44 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 13:51 -0400
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-04-22 19:10 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 15:31 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-04-23 02:08 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-04-24 02:52 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 14:40 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-25 15:42 -0400
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-17 10:52 +0000
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-17 14:05 +0300
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 07:56 -0700
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-17 17:26 +0200
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-17 17:01 +0000
    Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Blajrs Jrolrsen <boegre@no.com> - 2015-04-17 13:36 +0000
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-17 14:42 +0000
        Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2015-04-18 00:25 +0200
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:03 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:14 -0700
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:26 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-17 17:32 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 20:47 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-18 08:47 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:19 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-18 15:52 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 17:07 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-06-09 03:04 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-18 00:11 -0500
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 10:32 +0200
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-18 11:26 -0400
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 17:57 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-18 09:42 -0700
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 17:11 -0400
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Hans-Bernhard Bröker <HBBroeker@t-online.de> - 2015-04-18 12:19 +0200
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-18 15:16 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 19:57 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-18 23:11 +0300
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-19 21:32 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> - 2015-04-19 23:04 +0300
          Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-18 09:15 +0000
            Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 12:17 +0200
              Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-18 13:08 +0000
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-18 20:17 +0200
                Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-04-20 15:33 +0000
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-04-17 14:52 -0400
      Re: Mecrisp on the TI Stellaris Launchpad albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2015-04-17 20:06 +0000

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