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  _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-25 14:38 -0800
    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 03:19 -0800
      Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-26 12:48 +0100
      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-26 13:29 +0000
        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2018-11-26 22:02 +0800
          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-26 16:09 +0000
          Re: _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 09:11 -0800
        Re: _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 06:34 -0800
        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 06:39 -0800
          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-26 16:06 +0000
            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 09:01 -0800
              Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-26 17:04 +0000
                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 09:19 -0800
                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-26 22:19 +0100
                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 14:11 -0800
                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 00:29 +0000
                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-11-27 09:44 +0000
                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 01:49 -0800
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 04:21 -0800
                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 04:25 -0800
                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 04:51 -0800
                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-11-27 13:19 +0000
                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-11-26 17:26 -0800
                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 08:16 +0100
                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 04:18 -0800
                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 04:48 -0800
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-27 05:09 -0800
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 14:39 +0100
                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 05:54 -0800
                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 15:28 +0100
                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 06:58 -0800
                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 15:03 +0000
                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:13 -0800
                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 16:55 +0100
                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 09:02 -0800
                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 17:11 +0000
                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 09:17 -0800
                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 17:48 +0000
                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-27 20:35 +0000
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-28 15:42 +1300
                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 02:44 -0800
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-28 23:52 +1300
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 03:42 -0800
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-11-28 15:48 +0300
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 05:24 -0800
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-11-28 17:30 +0300
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-28 13:59 +0100
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 05:33 -0800
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-28 14:31 +0000
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-28 23:19 +0100
                                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 01:35 -0800
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-29 13:25 +0100
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-28 14:28 +0000
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-11-28 17:33 +0300
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 06:56 -0800
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 11:53 +0000
                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 12:09 +0000
                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 01:26 -0800
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2018-11-28 02:57 -0800
                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-11-27 09:49 -0800
                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-11-27 11:31 -0800
                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 20:34 +0000
                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 22:45 +0100
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 14:12 +0000
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-11-27 11:32 -0800
                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 14:36 +0100
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-27 14:45 +0000
                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 15:02 +0000
                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 16:29 +0100
                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 15:51 +0000
                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-27 16:00 +0000
                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-27 23:40 +0100
                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 01:22 +0000
                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-28 15:57 +1300
                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-28 08:29 +0100
                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 11:38 +0000
                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-11-28 16:02 +0300
                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 13:35 +0000
                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-28 08:14 -0600
                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-28 13:33 +0000
                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 14:25 +0000
                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-28 15:25 +0100
                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 15:06 +0000
                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-28 07:43 -0800
                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-28 15:49 +0000
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu - 2018-11-28 08:16 -0800
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 17:56 +0000
                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-28 23:27 +0100
                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-28 20:12 +0000
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-11-29 09:58 -0800
                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-29 13:04 +0100
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-29 12:41 +0000
                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-11-29 08:19 -0500
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-29 14:28 +0000
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-11-29 22:25 -0500
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-30 11:59 +0000
                                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-11-30 08:02 -0500
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-30 14:09 +0000
                                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-11-30 10:30 -0500
                                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-30 16:02 +0000
                                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-11-30 16:40 +0000
                                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-30 17:23 +0000
                                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-01 07:47 -0800
                                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-01 13:46 -0500
                                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-12-01 12:08 -0800
                                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-02 12:57 +0100
                                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-02 16:21 +0000
                                                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-02 20:42 +0100
                                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-12-02 22:04 +0000
                                                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-02 23:49 +0100
                                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:35 +0300
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-30 14:19 +0000
                                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-30 14:58 +0000
                                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-11-30 10:33 -0500
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-30 15:45 +0100
                                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-30 14:22 +0000
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-30 15:20 +0000
                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-29 14:54 +0100
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 06:03 -0800
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-29 16:09 +0100
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-29 16:44 +0000
                                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-29 22:08 +0100
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-29 22:29 +0000
                                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-30 10:27 +0100
                                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-11-30 01:49 -0800
                                                                  "real" programming langauges? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-12-01 08:18 +0000
                                                                    Re: "real" programming langauges? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-01 18:02 +0100
                                                                      That time back in 1987... (Was: "real" programming langauges? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-12-01 17:31 +0000
                                                                        Re: That time back in 1987... (Was: "real" programming langauges? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-02 13:03 +0100
                                                                          Re: That time back in 1987... (Was: "real" programming langauges? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-02 23:05 -0500
                                                                            Re: That time back in 1987... (Was: "real" programming langauges? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-03 11:38 +0100
                                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 02:00 -0800
                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-30 08:16 +1300
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-29 20:49 +0000
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:39 +1300
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-11-30 10:37 +0000
                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-30 20:21 +0000
                                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-30 20:23 +0000
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-01 10:13 +1300
                                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-30 22:14 +0000
                                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-12-01 11:29 +1300
                                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-11-30 18:32 -0500
                                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-30 23:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-12-01 18:05 +0100
                                                                        Re: _mingw_off_t.h Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-12-01 13:29 -0500
                                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-12-01 07:28 -0800
                                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-12-01 16:49 +0000
                                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-29 08:53 +1300
                                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-28 20:01 +0000
                                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-28 21:15 +0000
                                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-28 21:26 +0000
                                                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-29 00:22 +0000
                                                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-29 14:14 +0000
                                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-29 14:54 +0000
                                      Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-28 14:19 +0000
                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-27 16:44 -0600
                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2018-11-29 22:58 +0000
                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-30 00:58 +0000
                          Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 14:11 +0000
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 06:28 -0800
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-27 15:14 +0000
                              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-27 07:41 -0800
                                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-11-27 16:11 +0000
                            Re: _mingw_off_t.h Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-11-29 10:00 -0800
              Re: _mingw_off_t.h Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-11-26 17:24 +0000
                Re: _mingw_off_t.h Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 10:57 -0800
                  Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-26 19:06 +0000
                    Re: _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 12:16 -0800
    Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-26 12:52 +0100
      Re: _mingw_off_t.h bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 04:17 -0800
        Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-26 14:40 +0100
      What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2018-11-26 13:34 +0000
        Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h) Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2018-11-26 16:39 +0300
          Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h) bart4858@gmail.com - 2018-11-26 06:13 -0800
            Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-26 16:13 +0100
        Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-26 14:42 +0100
      Re: _mingw_off_t.h Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-11-26 13:02 -0800
        Re: _mingw_off_t.h David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-11-26 22:24 +0100
    Re: _mingw_off_t.h scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-26 14:38 +0000

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#138309

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2018-11-27 15:14 +0000
Message-ID<HbdLD.412436$p%6.402284@fx26.am4>
In reply to#138299
On 27/11/2018 14:11, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> bart4858@gmail.com writes:
>> On Tuesday, 27 November 2018 07:16:16 UTC, David Brown  wrote:
> 
>> This was posted by me last year, but is worth repeating. It's how
>> clock_t is defined in a particular set of system headers (I believe
>> under Linux):
>>
>> clock_t =>
>>    __clock_t =>
>>      __CLOCK_T_TYPE =>
>>        __SYSCALL_S_LONG =>
>>          __SQUAD_T =>
>>            __quad_t =>
>>              long int
>>
>> So clock_t is just a 'long int' here. Except that isn't quite the full
>> story, as that would be int64 under Linux, but int32 under Windows. So
>> even this is platform-specific.
> 
> 
> Ah, all becomes clear.  You and Malcolm (if you are not actually the
> same person) don't understand the purpose of abstract types.
> 

Things are becoming clearer to me as well.

You will defend anything, no matter how ludicrously over the top, just 
to avoid admitting that I (or Malcolm) might have a valid point.

Most system header files of established compilers /are/ rat's nests of 
this kind. Most would agree that that is not desirable.

As for abstract types, yes they have purpose, but you don't usually need 
SIX levels of them just to define a simple integer which is either going 
to be 32 bits, or 64. And some of those in my example are typedefs, some 
are #defines, and some are conditional.


(Here's how I define C's clock() function (as imported from msvcrt,dll) 
in my language:

     clang function clock => int32

In that language, the basic 'int' type is int64, so I don't need to take 
account of the specific return type at all:

     int ticks := clock()

On Linux, its clock() function will return int64. As I said, it will 
either be one or the other. Why make it any more complicated than that?

Here's where /I/ might choose to have an abstract type, if I wanted the 
same declaration to work on either OS:

     clang function clock => intos

where 'intos' is an int type whose width depends on OS, and is 
specifically intended for APIs using C's 'long' type. 'intos' would be a 
built-in type, not a user type, and would be a synonym for int32 or int64.)

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#138311

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-27 07:41 -0800
Message-ID<3a20bf17-946a-4353-bfe9-12db61de11fe@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#138309
On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 3:14:55 PM UTC, Bart wrote:
> 
> On Linux, its clock() function will return int64. As I said, it will 
> either be one or the other. Why make it any more complicated than that?
> 
> Here's where /I/ might choose to have an abstract type, if I wanted the 
> same declaration to work on either OS:
> 
>      clang function clock => intos
> 
> where 'intos' is an int type whose width depends on OS, and is 
> specifically intended for APIs using C's 'long' type. 'intos' would be a 
> built-in type, not a user type, and would be a synonym for int32 or int64.)
>
intos is in fact ssize_t. clock() is a bit of an exception - most data
is real, and the underlying time is of course continuous, but the ticks
are integral. Most of the use of intos will be to convert counts of
things in memory or to index into the arrays.

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#138315

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2018-11-27 16:11 +0000
Message-ID<61eLD.410418$vf.107329@fx05.am4>
In reply to#138311
On 27/11/2018 15:41, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 27, 2018 at 3:14:55 PM UTC, Bart wrote:
>>
>> On Linux, its clock() function will return int64. As I said, it will
>> either be one or the other. Why make it any more complicated than that?
>>
>> Here's where /I/ might choose to have an abstract type, if I wanted the
>> same declaration to work on either OS:
>>
>>       clang function clock => intos
>>
>> where 'intos' is an int type whose width depends on OS, and is
>> specifically intended for APIs using C's 'long' type. 'intos' would be a
>> built-in type, not a user type, and would be a synonym for int32 or int64.)
>>
> intos is in fact ssize_t.

No, it is for representing 'long', which is int32 on 64-bit Windows, and 
int64 on 64-bit Linux.

ssize_t would be int64 on both, as is size_t.

I haven't added 'intos' yet, it's just an idea. I would rather avoid C's 
plethora of types infiltrating my own language.

I already have four special int types (signed/unsigned, word 
size/pointer size) that depend on target hardware. I don't want to bring 
C into it as well.

'size_t' will use one of those. C's 'long' is a peculiarity that is 
nothing to do with hardware.

> clock() is a bit of an exception - most data
> is real, and the underlying time is of course continuous, but the ticks
> are integral. Most of the use of intos will be to convert counts of
> things in memory or to index into the arrays.

I've recently switched to an int64 default type [in my language]. It was 
a good decision, which also means that any int constant is int64.

And it avoids the discontinuity that still exists in C between int types 
and int64_t.

-- 
bart

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#138406

FromTim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2018-11-29 10:00 -0800
Message-ID<kfnpnunwypy.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu>
In reply to#138299
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Ah, all becomes clear.  You don't understand the purpose of
> abstract types.

I had the same thought.

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#138268

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2018-11-26 17:24 +0000
Message-ID<87bm6byco4.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#138263
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:

> On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 4:06:36 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 1:29:09 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> >> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> >> <snip>
>> >> > C integers are a mess. A compile to C target compiler for another language
>> >> > is one of the cases where you need a lot of control of your integer sizes
>> >> > and behaviour, however.
>> >> 
>> >> Is there are a language that offers you more control over the sizes of
>> >> your integers?  You get fixed-size ones, minimum-sized ones are fastest
>> >> minimum-sized ones.  And you can even use a bit-fields if you need a
>> >> 12-bit integer type.  What is it you want?
>> >> 
>> > Imagine your function prototypes like sockets, and your variables like
>> > plugs that fit into them and pass them data.
>> >
>> > Now if the data is real, or imaginary for that matter, you wouldn't expect
>> > an integer socket to fit that data. The function would be something like
>> > setpixel(x,y) which operates on an integer raster and can't take real
>> > data. However if the sockets don't accept data that does make sense, such
>> > as 32-bit x,y co-ordinates that are in range (despite the fact that
>> > co-ordinates are restricted to 32,767 elsewhere in the system), then
>> > the plus and sockets system gets harder to use. And the more types, the
>> > more likely it is that you will have a problem, and it is an N-squared
>> > relationship, where N is the number of types.
>> >
>> > It follows that if you've got very few basic physical types in the machine,
>> > and N is 4 or 5, you don't want to blow up N to 20-30 with the type
>> > system. However it's more a case of having a convention that some types
>> > are used, others are held in reserve for the few situations where you
>> > genuinely need them. Every integer type introduced into the standard has
>> > had a case made for it, it's the cumulative effect which is the
>> > problem.
>> 
>> I could find an answer in this.  Were you were giving one or were you
>> just making some more remarks?  Both fine, of course, I just wonder if
>> I've missed the answer in there.
>> 
> Generally if asked "what is it you want" it's implied, "what more do you
> want" i.e. what addition can we give you. But in fact what is needed is
> less, a way of reducing the number of integer types.

How does that benefit a code generator?  You talked about C as a
"compiler target".  The trouble is Bart is not compiling but attempting
to translate at roughly the same level of abstraction, with crucially, a
desire to be able to interface with 3rd party C libraries without a
specific "foreign language interface" feature.  (This is a bit of a
guess.)

> The temptation of course is to add another general-purpose integer, which
> would alleviate the problem,

Eh?  How does that benefit a compiler targeting C?  I'm beginning to
think I've misunderstood what you mean by that phrase.

> if and only if you could establish a strong
> convention that this is the type to be used unless special circumstances
> demand another. But if you couldn't establish that convention, you make the
> problem worse.
>
> I'd argue that in fact there is such a type, and it's called size_t. But
> for various reasons, the strong convention hasn't stuck.

Are you suggesting that a language targeting C should do all it's
arithmetic in a large unsigned type?  That's a reasonable proposal (and
I think I suggested it to Bart once) but it's available now -- no change
to C needed.  However it does not work when trying to do a high-level
translation.

-- 
Ben.

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#138270

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com>
Date2018-11-26 10:57 -0800
Message-ID<ab8879ac-e1a8-4b5d-b29a-1049ed0051c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#138268
On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 5:24:51 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > Generally if asked "what is it you want" it's implied, "what more do you
> > want" i.e. what addition can we give you. But in fact what is needed is
> > less, a way of reducing the number of integer types.
> 
> How does that benefit a code generator?  You talked about C as a
> "compiler target".  The trouble is Bart is not compiling but attempting
> to translate at roughly the same level of abstraction, with crucially, a
> desire to be able to interface with 3rd party C libraries without a
> specific "foreign language interface" feature.  (This is a bit of a
> guess.)
> 
We've got N integer types in C, and M integer types in our source
language that we're compiling to C. So when we see

x = foreign(a, b)

we've got 3 * M * N possibilities for the types of x, a, b in the source
language and in C. All of those will have to be handled, maybe by an
exhaustive enumeration somewhere in the code.

Now there's nothing we can do in this ng about M, but if M is larger than
three or four, then N of thirty to forty is too large.
>
> > The temptation of course is to add another general-purpose integer, which
> > would alleviate the problem,
> 
> Eh?  How does that benefit a compiler targeting C?  I'm beginning to
> think I've misunderstood what you mean by that phrase.
> 
> > if and only if you could establish a strong
> > convention that this is the type to be used unless special circumstances
> > demand another. But if you couldn't establish that convention, you make the
> > problem worse.
> >
> > I'd argue that in fact there is such a type, and it's called size_t. But
> > for various reasons, the strong convention hasn't stuck.
> 
> Are you suggesting that a language targeting C should do all it's
> arithmetic in a large unsigned type?  That's a reasonable proposal (and
> I think I suggested it to Bart once) but it's available now -- no change
> to C needed.  However it does not work when trying to do a high-level
> translation.
>
Essentially yes. I said you've got a square system, with N * M conversions.
But of course if you have a type that can handle anything, that can be reduced
to N + M conversions, that go through the universal type.
 
But N + M is still quite a large number if every case must be enumerated.


 

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#138271

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2018-11-26 19:06 +0000
Message-ID<NuXKD.253628$TK1.150195@fx19.iad>
In reply to#138270
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>On Monday, November 26, 2018 at 5:24:51 PM UTC, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> > Generally if asked "what is it you want" it's implied, "what more do you
>> > want" i.e. what addition can we give you. But in fact what is needed is
>> > less, a way of reducing the number of integer types.
>> 
>> How does that benefit a code generator?  You talked about C as a
>> "compiler target".  The trouble is Bart is not compiling but attempting
>> to translate at roughly the same level of abstraction, with crucially, a
>> desire to be able to interface with 3rd party C libraries without a
>> specific "foreign language interface" feature.  (This is a bit of a
>> guess.)
>> 
>We've got N integer types in C, and M integer types in our source
>language that we're compiling to C. So when we see
>
>x = foreign(a, b)
>
>we've got 3 * M * N possibilities for the types of x, a, b in the source
>language and in C. All of those will have to be handled, maybe by an
>exhaustive enumeration somewhere in the code.

Come on now, this is dead simple.   There will generally be a 1-1 relationship
between an element of the set M and a set N.  When the translater sees an
"M" it generates C using the same "N" every time.

Are you sure you're not Bart?

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#138272

Frombart4858@gmail.com
Date2018-11-26 12:16 -0800
Message-ID<ca5be724-bb60-421b-bda1-bde5303239f3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#138271
On Monday, 26 November 2018 19:06:29 UTC, Scott Lurndal  wrote:
> Malcolm McLean writes:

> >we've got 3 * M * N possibilities for the types of x, a, b in the source
> >language and in C. All of those will have to be handled, maybe by an
> >exhaustive enumeration somewhere in the code.
> 
> Come on now, this is dead simple.   There will generally be a 1-1 relationship
> between an element of the set M and a set N.  When the translater sees an
> "M" it generates C using the same "N" every time.

You've obviously never been involved in trying to use an API
defined as C functions, from a language that is not C or where
the hard work of matching types hasn't already been done.

Taking only integer types, there are really only 4 common sizes
(8 to 64 bits), and signed/unsigned versions of each. So that's
8 integer types, which is quite a large family already, but how
C deals with that doesn't help.

First you have char, short, int, long, long long, with signed
versions of each. Plus a third, incompatible version of char.

Then you have the intN_t and uintN_t versions. And the
int_leastN_t and uint_leastN_t. And int_fastN_t and uint_fastN_t.
And u/intptr_t and u/ptr_diff_t. And wchar_t.

After that, you will come across errno_t, wint_t, clock_t, time_t,
fpos_t, etc etc. Plus the off64_t that is defined by header that is
the thread subject. And size_t.

I haven't said anything about the multiple denotations that are
possible (long long and signed long int long are the same). Or that
you can't say much for sure about the relationships of char-short-int-
long-long long except their sizes don't get smaller.

Or that there is no definite portable relationship between the char-
short-int-long-long long family, and the u/int*N_t ones.

Or that any of those might have a 'const' attribute.

Or of 128-bit types, which is anyone's guess as to what denotation
might need to be used (is it __int128 or int128_t or something else?)

Or of the *MIN and *MAX macros for each type, or the PRI* ones for many. 

Or that fact that the system, especially pre-stdint.h was so messy,
that it prompted every library and application to superimpose its
own type system on top. (See the hundreds of Windows data types.)

As a reminder, we're talking about 8 commonly used types, which anywhere
else might simply be int8/16/32/64 and uint8/16/32/64.

A common problem is mapping one of those those myriad C types that can be encounted, into a universal u/int8/16/32/64 type. And in a way that will
work across platforms.

Even something as humble as 'int' can be a problem, as I've recently found
out.

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#138247

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2018-11-26 12:52 +0100
Message-ID<ptgmqk$1lf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#138239
On 25/11/18 23:38, bart4858@gmail.com wrote:
> I had no wish to be drawn again into the underworld of C system
> header files, but this is a rather marvellous one I wanted to share.
> 
> An entire header file that exists only to define just one type,
> off64_t (plus the off32_t variation). Which also happens to be one of
> the most obscure types around. (It came up during my researches into
> building Seed7.)
> 
> As well as off64_t, you also come across _off64_t, z_off64_t, and
> off_t, because you can never have enough aliases for a primitive
> type. You want as many obscure, incompatible and compile-breaking
> ways of defining a 64-bit integer type, as possible.
> 


The header file is not just to define one type - it defines several
types, depending on the environment and configuration wanted.  Like many
headers from libraries or compilers, it is quite flexible and covers a
range of features - not just the particular cases that /you/ want.

One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to C11,
you could redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration is
identical to the first one.  That means that for flexible library
headers, whenever they define types that might be useful elsewhere and
be defined in other headers, you have these "#ifndef" blocks and a macro
defined to say the typedef is defined.  Such boilerplate is not hard, it
has negligible time for compilation, but it does make the headers
bulkier and harder to read.  C11 (and C++) fix this inconvenience, but
of course that only helps if you have C11-only headers.

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#138248

Frombart4858@gmail.com
Date2018-11-26 04:17 -0800
Message-ID<ce97c7b9-85dc-4768-87b8-0091e787c5e5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#138247
On Monday, 26 November 2018 11:52:59 UTC, David Brown  wrote:

> One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to C11,
> you could redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration is
> identical to the first one.  That means that for flexible library
> headers, whenever they define types that might be useful elsewhere and
> be defined in other headers, you have these "#ifndef" blocks and a macro
> defined to say the typedef is defined.  Such boilerplate is not hard, it
> has negligible time for compilation, but it does make the headers
> bulkier and harder to read.  C11 (and C++) fix this inconvenience, but
> of course that only helps if you have C11-only headers.

I came across exactly this problem yesterday. time_t is defined not only in time.h (the main one not sys/time.h) but also in sys/types.h. Defining both as typedefs caused a problem when a program includes both headers ('redefining a typedef').

If duplicate typedefs are OK, then I will allow that. (Temporary workaround was for sys/types.h to include time.h, and time.h has guards, but that exposes other content from time.h to a program that doesn't want it, or where it causes a problem.)

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#138252

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2018-11-26 14:40 +0100
Message-ID<ptgt4a$2pb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#138248
On 26/11/18 13:17, bart4858@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 26 November 2018 11:52:59 UTC, David Brown  wrote:
> 
>> One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to
>> C11, you could redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration
>> is identical to the first one.  That means that for flexible
>> library headers, whenever they define types that might be useful
>> elsewhere and be defined in other headers, you have these "#ifndef"
>> blocks and a macro defined to say the typedef is defined.  Such
>> boilerplate is not hard, it has negligible time for compilation,
>> but it does make the headers bulkier and harder to read.  C11 (and
>> C++) fix this inconvenience, but of course that only helps if you
>> have C11-only headers.
> 
> I came across exactly this problem yesterday. time_t is defined not
> only in time.h (the main one not sys/time.h) but also in sys/types.h.
> Defining both as typedefs caused a problem when a program includes
> both headers ('redefining a typedef').

Having the same typedef in two headers only causes problems if you don't
have the appropriate pre-processor guards.  Have the guards, and there
is no problem.  (Yes, guards are an ugly hack - but they work simply and
reliably, and are standard practice for library and OS headers.)

> 
> If duplicate typedefs are OK, then I will allow that. (Temporary
> workaround was for sys/types.h to include time.h, and time.h has
> guards, but that exposes other content from time.h to a program that
> doesn't want it, or where it causes a problem.)
> 

Duplicate typedefs for the same underlying type are allowed in C11 and
C++.  Compilers can allow them in other modes, but that is
non-conforming.  (So gcc is happy with duplicate typedefs in C90 and C99
modes, unless you have -pedantic in place.)

For your own compiler, which is not overly fussy about conformance, it
would seem entirely reasonably to accept duplicate typedefs even if you
are not in C11 mode.

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#138250 — What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2018-11-26 13:34 +0000
SubjectWhat is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)
Message-ID<ptgsp9$b5d$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#138247
In article <ptgmqk$1lf$1@dont-email.me>,
David Brown  <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
...
>One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to C11,
>you could redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration is
>identical to the first one.

Something is wrong with this sentence.  But I can't quite figure out what.

Maybe: s/even if/only if/

Or maybe there is a "not" missing somewhere.

-- 
The last time a Republican cared about you, you were a fetus.

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#138251 — Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)

FromAnton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com>
Date2018-11-26 16:39 +0300
SubjectRe: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)
Message-ID<20181126163927.695409951f3d8073b5698fc9@g{oogle}mail.com>
In reply to#138250
Kenny McCormack to David Brown:

>>One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is
>>that up to C11, you could redeclare a typedef even if the
>>second declaration is identical to the first one.
>
>Something is wrong with this sentence.  But I can't quite
>figure out what.

Reads all right to me, although I should change the second
"is" to "was", to match the past tense of "could".  I am not
a native speaker of English.

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#138255 — Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)

Frombart4858@gmail.com
Date2018-11-26 06:13 -0800
SubjectRe: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)
Message-ID<33d271e4-426f-4c94-a7e1-58a4d48df329@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#138251
On Monday, 26 November 2018 13:39:35 UTC, Anton Shepelev  wrote:
> Kenny McCormack to David Brown:
> 
> >>One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is
> >>that up to C11, you could redeclare a typedef even if the
> >>second declaration is identical to the first one.
> >
> >Something is wrong with this sentence.  But I can't quite
> >figure out what.
> 
> Reads all right to me, although I should change the second
> "is" to "was", to match the past tense of "could".  I am not
> a native speaker of English.

I understood it to mean that duplicate typedefs are now officially allowed but previously weren't. But brief tests show that every compiler, including mine, allowed duplicate typedefs.

The problem I saw was because one time_t was defined as 'long', and the other as 'unsigned long'.

As to what time_t should actually be: MS headers define it on top of either __time32_t, or __time64_t, depending on _USE_32BIT_TIME_T, as do mingw headers. Other 64-bit Windows C compilers use long, or unsigned long. None of which is helpful.

However, running tests with both 64-bit MSVC and gcc gave sizeof(time_t) as 8. So I will make both my time_t's 'long long int'.

(Only in C would pinning down the exact size of a primitive type be such a palaver. FFS, it's only one of int32, int64, uint32 or uint64. And time_t is just one of dozens of such typedefs.)

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#138259 — Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2018-11-26 16:13 +0100
SubjectRe: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)
Message-ID<pth2j4$3oj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#138255
On 26/11/18 15:13, bart4858@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, 26 November 2018 13:39:35 UTC, Anton Shepelev  wrote:
>> Kenny McCormack to David Brown:
>> 
>>>> One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up
>>>> to C11, you could redeclare a typedef even if the second
>>>> declaration is identical to the first one.
>>> 
>>> Something is wrong with this sentence.  But I can't quite figure
>>> out what.
>> 
>> Reads all right to me, although I should change the second "is" to
>> "was", to match the past tense of "could".  I am not a native
>> speaker of English.
> 
> I understood it to mean that duplicate typedefs are now officially
> allowed but previously weren't. 

That is what I meant - but not what I wrote.

> But brief tests show that every
> compiler, including mine, allowed duplicate typedefs.
> 

To save Keith the effort - that is because most C compilers are not
conforming by default.  The standards did not allow duplicate typedefs
until C11 - it was a constraint error, and conforming compilers are
required to complain about them.  But many compilers (conveniently, but
not conforming) allow them in non-strict C90 and C99 modes.

> The problem I saw was because one time_t was defined as 'long', and
> the other as 'unsigned long'.

Ah, that is an error and compilers should complain about it.

> 
> As to what time_t should actually be: MS headers define it on top of
> either __time32_t, or __time64_t, depending on _USE_32BIT_TIME_T, as
> do mingw headers. Other 64-bit Windows C compilers use long, or
> unsigned long. None of which is helpful.
> 
> However, running tests with both 64-bit MSVC and gcc gave
> sizeof(time_t) as 8. So I will make both my time_t's 'long long
> int'.
> 
> (Only in C would pinning down the exact size of a primitive type be
> such a palaver. FFS, it's only one of int32, int64, uint32 or uint64.
> And time_t is just one of dozens of such typedefs.)
> 

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#138253 — Re: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2018-11-26 14:42 +0100
SubjectRe: What is wrong with this sentence? (Was: _mingw_off_t.h)
Message-ID<ptgt80$2pb$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#138250
On 26/11/18 14:34, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <ptgmqk$1lf$1@dont-email.me>,
> David Brown  <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> ...
>> One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to C11,
>> you could redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration is
>> identical to the first one.
> 
> Something is wrong with this sentence.  But I can't quite figure out what.
> 
> Maybe: s/even if/only if/
> 
> Or maybe there is a "not" missing somewhere.
> 

There is a "not" missing somewhere:

One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to C11,
you could *not* redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration is
identical to the first one.


Thanks for the correction.

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#138275

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2018-11-26 13:02 -0800
Message-ID<ln4lc3pn73.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
In reply to#138247
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
[...]
> One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to C11,
> you could

not?

>           redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration is
> identical to the first one.

[...]
-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#138278

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2018-11-26 22:24 +0100
Message-ID<pthob6$njm$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#138275
On 26/11/2018 22:02, Keith Thompson wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
> [...]
>> One somewhat inconvenient thing about typedefs in C is that up to C11,
>> you could
> 
> not?
> 
>>            redeclare a typedef even if the second declaration is
>> identical to the first one.
> 
> [...]
> 

Yes.  (Kenny spotted my error first, but perhaps you have killfiled him 
and did not see his post.)

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#138257

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2018-11-26 14:38 +0000
Message-ID<%zTKD.399955$ql2.67755@fx06.iad>
In reply to#138239
bart4858@gmail.com writes:
>I had no wish to be drawn again into the underworld of C system header files, but this is a rather marvellous one I wanted to share.
>
>An entire header file that exists only to define just one type, off64_t (plus the off32_t variation). Which also happens to be one of the most obscure types around. (It came up during my researches into building Seed7.)
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large-file_support

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