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OT: Evolution disproven

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  OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 09:26 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-01 09:46 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 10:02 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 20:06 +0200
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 12:33 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 10:06 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 12:36 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 12:43 -0700
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 13:09 -0700
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 14:34 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-01 15:48 -0400
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-04 00:11 +0200
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-03 23:15 +0100
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-07-04 09:31 +0800
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-04 04:50 +0000
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 15:39 -0700
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 23:54 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-04 19:20 +0100
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:00 -0700
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:32 -0700
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-05 15:39 +0000
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 09:11 -0700
                See sig (Was: OT: Evolution disproven) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-05 17:48 +0000
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 17:53 -0400
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-06 18:44 -0700
          What is a troll? (Was: OT: Evolution disproven) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-05 15:43 +0000
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-07-01 10:43 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 10:54 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:01 -0700
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 20:04 +0200
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:08 -0700
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 20:13 +0200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:36 -0700
                  Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 21:05 +0200
                    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 12:38 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-07-01 11:44 -0700
                  Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 21:49 +0100
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 19:09 +0100
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 19:20 +0100
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-07-02 02:34 +0800
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 19:03 +0100
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:36 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:40 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 13:58 -0500
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-02 23:44 +0200
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-02 16:07 -0600
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 17:12 -0700
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 17:24 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 18:56 -0700
                  Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:12 -0700
                  Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 17:00 -0400
                    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 14:15 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 21:30 +0100
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-01 19:30 -0400
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-02 00:25 +0200
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 15:36 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 01:27 -0700
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 02:58 -0700
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 12:16 +0100
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:13 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 17:53 +0100
                  Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 10:21 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:49 -0700
                  Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:51 -0700
                    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:04 -0700
                      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:20 -0700
                    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 17:04 -0400
                      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-06 19:08 -0700
                        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 19:30 -0700
                          Re: OT: Evolution disproven David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-07-07 08:55 +0200
                        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-11 17:56 -0400
                      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-07 14:49 +1200
                        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-07 04:38 +0100
                          Re: OT: Evolution disproven David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-07-07 09:19 +0200
                            Re: OT: Evolution disproven luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 00:50 -0700
                          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-07 19:27 +1200
                            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-11 19:05 -0400
                          Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-10 18:14 +0200
                            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-10 17:42 +0100
                            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-10 12:06 -0700
                            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 12:16 -0700
                        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-11 17:57 -0400
                  Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 12:58 -0700
                    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 13:15 -0700
                      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:21 -0700
                      Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-03 23:59 +0200
                        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 00:10 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-01 15:36 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 08:54 +0100
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 16:45 -0400
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-06 22:06 +0100
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-06 22:09 +0000
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 05:43 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-07-07 16:18 +0200
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 07:22 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 16:11 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 16:42 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-05 17:45 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 02:03 -0800
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 03:40 -0800

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#89974

FromGareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-03 17:53 +0100
Message-ID<87k2h2mzmk.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#89973
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:

> gwowen wrote:
>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c...@gmail.com> writes:
>> > Christians everywhere care about people
>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/california-pastor-celebrates-massacre-orlando-gay-club-article-1.2673335
>>
>> > we teach others the truth..
>>
>> Uh-huh "The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die"
>
> I saw that preacher broadcast on a mainstream news program.  You're
> seeing the enemy portraying something by name which is a false
> representation of the real thing

He's a Christian preacher.

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#89975

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-03 10:21 -0700
Message-ID<737cfc5a-70ed-4e20-89dc-6aad119061c0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#89974
gwowen wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > I saw that preacher broadcast on a mainstream news program.
> > You're seeing the enemy portraying something by name which
> > is a false representation of the real thing.
>
> He's a Christian preacher.

You're seeing the enemy portraying something [Christianity] by name
which is a false representation [not real Christianity] of the real
thing [because real Christians are not like that, and do not speak
like that].

If you seek to understand Jesus Christ, you will see His people being
like Him, and not like the world, nor like the enemy.  The enemy
would have you believe Christianity is like that preacher.  It is not,
and His people are not, because Jesus is not.

If you see wrongness in that preacher's comments, you see correctly.
Real Christianity is different than that preacher's deception and
falseness, as his is not the voice of the Bible, or Jesus Christ, but is
the voice of the enemy.

You can learn who Jesus is for yourself.  Read the gospel of John,
or watch it in dramatized movie form here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hexhw3wWmE 

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#89978

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-07-03 12:49 -0700
Message-ID<nlbq8a$7oe$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89973
On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[...]
> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
[...]

If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the 
earth is more than 5000 years old.

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#89979

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-07-03 12:51 -0700
Message-ID<nlbqcp$7oe$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89978
On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [...]
>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
> [...]
>
> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the
> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>

BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you 
kidding me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to 
deal with infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.arch/DstrjMM7uX8/YKCzroVuCAAJ

;^)

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#89982

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-03 13:04 -0700
Message-ID<8643e19d-e0b7-4110-a7b5-517d07461643@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#89979
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 3:52:00 PM UTC-4, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > [...]
> >> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
> >> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
> > [...]
> >
> > If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the
> > earth is more than 5000 years old.
> >
> 
> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you 
> kidding me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to 
> deal with infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?

It is not a limitation of God.  We are conveying what He has told us:

    http://www.josephineelia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/postdiluvian_timeline.jpg

You can read all about these dates in the book of Genesis:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/5.htm

It's why God gave us the Bible, so we could know.  The enemy will only
fool and deceive those people who do not pursue the truth.  For those who
pursue the truth, it is found, and they are saved.  The rest will perish.

It's what I'm telling all of you... there is more going on here than just
a religion, or people who believe this or that.  There is a real war on
for your soul, and there is a real enemy who is actively at work deceiving
all of you because of sin.  It is only those who are born again who will
see and know the truth, and then tell that truth to others.

Each of us who are born again lived a portion of our lives where we were
not born again, and were just as deceived.  But, for those who are born
again, we sought the truth.  We wanted to know the real truth regardless
of whether it took us this way or that way.  By pursuing the truth, we found
it, because God's promised it would be that way:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/jeremiah/29-13.htm
    http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/11-9.htm
    http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/22-17.htm

You are that important.
God really did die to save YOU.
You really can be saved.
All you have to do is ask Jesus to forgive you.
He does the rest.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#89984

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-03 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<a39c13f8-3319-46df-81a8-6de7bb6ad389@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#89982
On Sunday, July 3, 2016 at 4:04:39 PM UTC-4, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> It is not a limitation of God.  We are conveying what He has told us:
> 
>     http://www.josephineelia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/postdiluvian_timeline.jpg
> 
> You can read all about these dates in the book of Genesis:
> 
>     http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/5.htm

You can also continue the lineage through other Bible passages which convey
the timeline:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/1.htm
    http://biblehub.com/kjv/ruth/4.htm#18
    http://biblehub.com/kjv/luke/3.htm#23

There is also the recorded resurrection of Lazarus, who had been dead four
days when Jesus came to resurrect him.  This is symbolic of the 4,000 years
that had transpired before Jesus came.  And, as is recorded, "he stinketh"
(just as we stinketh because of sin).

But Jesus called out to him, and resurrected him.  And the dead man came out.

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/11.htm

It's also recorded that after Jesus heard he was sick, he waited two days
before going to resurrect him.  This is symbolic of the 2,000 years that we
have had since He was upon the Earth.  And that time is almost up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaqu9kXC3UI

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#90099

FromKen Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Date2016-07-06 17:04 -0400
Message-ID<nljrq0$tr0$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#89979
On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> [...]
>>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
>> [...]
>>
>> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the
>> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>>
>
> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you kidding
> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
[...]

Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created (and 
perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?

:-)

-- 
Kenneth "Devil's Advocate" Brody

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#90105

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-07-06 19:08 -0700
Message-ID<nlkdi3$hq9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90099
On 7/6/2016 2:04 PM, Ken Brody wrote:
> On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>>>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the
>>> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>>>
>>
>> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you
>> kidding
>> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
>> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
> [...]
>
> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
> (and perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?

Now, that is actually beautiful to me! In the sense that it is an 
interesting thought wrt infinity. Imagine if the destruction contained 
extremely valuable information on how to improve, or make the next 
"iteration" "that much" _better_... In this model, well, strive to live 
a good live in each Universe. Well now... Is how much more crazier is 
this than some of Rick's religious spew? Before you answer, read this:

I wonder if 6000 years wrt God, just might end up being many billions of 
years, or perhaps more... How crazy is that?

;^)

>
> :-)

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#90106

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
Date2016-07-06 19:30 -0700
Message-ID<chine.bleu-F05DD0.19302906072016@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#90105
In article <nlkdi3$hq9$1@dont-email.me>,
 "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
> > (and perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
> 
> Now, that is actually beautiful to me! In the sense that it is an 
> interesting thought wrt infinity. Imagine if the destruction contained 

I think that's the Hindu cosmology. Except it doesn't improve, just repeats.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
If you assume the final scene is a dying delusion as Tom Cruise drowns below
the Louvre, then Edge of Tomorrow has a happy ending. Kill Tom repeat..

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#90109

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2016-07-07 08:55 +0200
Message-ID<nlkudh$pfn$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90106
On 07/07/16 04:30, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <nlkdi3$hq9$1@dont-email.me>,
>  "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
>>> (and perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
>>
>> Now, that is actually beautiful to me! In the sense that it is an 
>> interesting thought wrt infinity. Imagine if the destruction contained 
> 
> I think that's the Hindu cosmology. Except it doesn't improve, just repeats.
> 

The same basic turns up in several religions.  If I remember rightly, in
Aztec religion we are on the fourth or fifth round and things are
supposed to improve each time as the gods get more practice at creating
worlds.

And then there is Last Thursdayism, which has a very young universe -
but I don't think it is cyclic.  You just created the universe last
Thursday to /look/ like it gets recreated every Thursday.

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#90238

FromKen Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Date2016-07-11 17:56 -0400
Message-ID<nm14m6$9d8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90105
On 7/6/2016 10:08 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 7/6/2016 2:04 PM, Ken Brody wrote:
>> On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
[...]
>>> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you
>>> kidding
>>> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
>>> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
>> [...]
>>
>> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
>> (and perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
>
> Now, that is actually beautiful to me! In the sense that it is an
> interesting thought wrt infinity. Imagine if the destruction contained
> extremely valuable information on how to improve, or make the next
> "iteration" "that much" _better_... In this model, well, strive to live a
> good live in each Universe. Well now... Is how much more crazier is this
> than some of Rick's religious spew? Before you answer, read this:
[...]

On the other hand, if $DEITY is infallible, why would any given iteration 
requirement "improvement"?

What if each iteration started out identical, but some sort of quantum 
effect made each universe progress slightly differently?  Maybe $DEITY gets 
bored, and decides to start from fresh again every so-many billions of years?

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#90107

FromIan Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Date2016-07-07 14:49 +1200
Message-ID<du5ua1FgmuiU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90099
On 07/ 7/16 09:04 AM, Ken Brody wrote:
> On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>>>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the
>>> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>>>
>>
>> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you kidding
>> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
>> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
> [...]
>
> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created (and
> perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
>
> :-)

Or maybe $DIETY's $DIETY created (and perhaps destroyed) countless 
$DIETYs before this one?

Sorry, couldn't resist...

-- 
Ian

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#90108

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-07-07 04:38 +0100
Message-ID<nlkira$uco$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90107
On 07/07/16 03:49, Ian Collins wrote:
> On 07/ 7/16 09:04 AM, Ken Brody wrote:
>> On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>>>>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the
>>>> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you
>>> kidding
>>> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
>>> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
>> [...]
>>
>> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
>> (and
>> perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
>>
>> :-)
>
> Or maybe $DIETY's $DIETY created (and perhaps destroyed) countless
> $DIETYs before this one?
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist...

(a) Didn't any of you do Latin at school? It's DEITY, not DIETY.
(b) What in heaven or on earth does this have to do with C?
(c) I have implemented genetic algorithms using the C language, and I 
can testify that evolution works just fine - I have used it to find 
good-enough solutions to problems that are too unwieldy for an 
exhaustive search. Thus, the claim (in the Subject header of this 
thread) that evolution is disproven is patently false.

There is a perfectly reasonable way to reconcile the scientific model 
with a Biblically young Earth that doesn't require anyone to mock anyone 
else's point of view or suspend their disbelief or anything like that. 
If anyone wants to know what it is, by all means ask - but in a 
newsgroup that is intended for that purpose. Sure as eggs is eggs, that 
newsgroup is not *this* newsgroup.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#90110

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2016-07-07 09:19 +0200
Message-ID<nlkvp5$tp2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90108
On 07/07/16 05:38, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 07/07/16 03:49, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 07/ 7/16 09:04 AM, Ken Brody wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>>>>>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that
>>>>> the
>>>>> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you
>>>> kidding
>>>> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
>>>> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
>>> (and
>>> perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Or maybe $DIETY's $DIETY created (and perhaps destroyed) countless
>> $DIETYs before this one?
>>

It's turtles all the way down...

>> Sorry, couldn't resist...
> 
> (a) Didn't any of you do Latin at school? It's DEITY, not DIETY.
> (b) What in heaven or on earth does this have to do with C?

It is a fine example of recursion, which is related to programming
(though apparently not to "structured programming", since it breaks our
trees).

> (c) I have implemented genetic algorithms using the C language, and I
> can testify that evolution works just fine - I have used it to find
> good-enough solutions to problems that are too unwieldy for an
> exhaustive search. Thus, the claim (in the Subject header of this
> thread) that evolution is disproven is patently false.

Indeed.  Evolution works - there is no doubt about that.  Ask anyone who
has suffered from antibiotic resistant bacteria.

But evolution is a way to change characteristics as you move from one
generation of things (lifeforms, algorithms, whatever) to the next - it
doesn't say how the process got started.  That is a very different
question - one that is poorly understood by most laymen (such as almost
everyone who claims that religious beliefs proves or disproves
scientific concepts, or that scientific evidence proves or disproves
religious concepts).  And it is definitely not a question for this group
- especially as many of the people here with interesting viewpoints
would (understandably) refuse to contribute in this newsgroup.

> 
> There is a perfectly reasonable way to reconcile the scientific model
> with a Biblically young Earth that doesn't require anyone to mock anyone
> else's point of view or suspend their disbelief or anything like that.
> If anyone wants to know what it is, by all means ask - but in a
> newsgroup that is intended for that purpose. Sure as eggs is eggs, that
> newsgroup is not *this* newsgroup.
> 

The trouble is, in most newsgroups where this sort of thing is on topic,
it's hard to get a civil discussion with thoughtful, educated and
intelligent people.  And in groups where you get civil discussions
amongst thoughtful, educated and intelligent people (like c.l.c.), these
sorts of topics are frowned upon and boycotted.

So I guess it's back to C...

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#90112

Fromluser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-07 00:50 -0700
Message-ID<3c36e2a4-9b8d-4b79-b442-0f602c6047ca@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#90110
On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 2:19:10 AM UTC-5, David Brown wrote:

> It's turtles all the way down...

Did somebody say turtles?
http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/9341/2381/sorry-young-man-but-its-turtles-all-the-way-down

Seriously though, my challenge is still awaiting a C answer.

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#90111

FromIan Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com>
Date2016-07-07 19:27 +1200
Message-ID<du6ejdFgmuiU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#90108
On 07/ 7/16 03:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 07/07/16 03:49, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 07/ 7/16 09:04 AM, Ken Brody wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>>>>>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that the
>>>>> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you
>>>> kidding
>>>> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
>>>> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
>>> (and
>>> perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Or maybe $DIETY's $DIETY created (and perhaps destroyed) countless
>> $DIETYs before this one?
>>
>> Sorry, couldn't resist...
>
> (a) Didn't any of you do Latin at school? It's DEITY, not DIETY.

At a comprehensive??

> (b) What in heaven or on earth does this have to do with C?

Well you could imagine a C programme pondering how long it has been 
running and whether or not it is alone in the universe.

-- 
Ian

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#90241

FromKen Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Date2016-07-11 19:05 -0400
Message-ID<nm18nj$oi9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90111
On 7/7/2016 3:27 AM, Ian Collins wrote:
> On 07/ 7/16 03:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
[...]
>> (a) Didn't any of you do Latin at school? It's DEITY, not DIETY.

I realized that after I hit "send".  :-(

[...]
>> (b) What in heaven or on earth does this have to do with C?
>
> Well you could imagine a C programme pondering how long it has been running
> and whether or not it is alone in the universe.

"Who started me?"

"Was I designed by some intelligent being?"

"What happened before main() was called?"

"What will happen after main() exits?"

"Are there other programs out there?"

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#90178

Fromjacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr>
Date2016-07-10 18:14 +0200
Message-ID<nlts8c$fv9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90108
Le 07/07/2016 à 05:38, Richard Heathfield a écrit :

> (a) Didn't any of you do Latin at school? It's DEITY, not DIETY.

I find DIETY much more fun really. Like it s having a cure for obesity 
our diety deity

:-)

> (b) What in heaven or on earth does this have to do with C?

It is interesting to note that even in perefectly rational people like C 
programmers, incredibly nonsense beliefs can be rampant.

For instance you look mostly rational when speaking about software. It 
is startling to know that you have a tendence to believe in this ....

how could I call that?

Re: ligion?

> (c) I have implemented genetic algorithms using the C language, and I
> can testify that evolution works just fine - I have used it to find
> good-enough solutions to problems that are too unwieldy for an
> exhaustive search. Thus, the claim (in the Subject header of this
> thread) that evolution is disproven is patently false.
>


Evolution is possible and happening all the time. And that contradicts 
all other stories... like the one in that bible.


> There is a perfectly reasonable way to reconcile the scientific model
> with a Biblically young Earth that doesn't require anyone to mock anyone
> else's point of view or suspend their disbelief or anything like that.


No.


Either you say:
The earth is around 4.5GY old

or

The earth is  around 6 thousand years old.

Those are either/or statements. You can't habe both Mr Heathfield.

> If anyone wants to know what it is, by all means ask - but in a
> newsgroup that is intended for that purpose. Sure as eggs is eggs, that
> newsgroup is not *this* newsgroup.
>

This is a newsgroup for rational people. Or is it?

Gosh Heathfield! You are freeing that variable TWICE damm it!

It is not me. It is the devil that mislead me from the golden path...

AMEN

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#90179

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-07-10 17:42 +0100
Message-ID<nltttm$m14$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#90178
On 10/07/16 17:14, jacobnavia wrote:
> Le 07/07/2016 à 05:38, Richard Heathfield a écrit :
>
>> (a) Didn't any of you do Latin at school? It's DEITY, not DIETY.
>
> I find DIETY much more fun really. Like it s having a cure for obesity
> our diety deity
>
> :-)

Whatever.

>> (b) What in heaven or on earth does this have to do with C?
>
> It is interesting to note that even in perefectly rational people like C
> programmers, incredibly nonsense beliefs can be rampant.

I don't know why you think C programmers are more likely to be perfectly 
rational than anyone else. This newsgroup offers plenty of counter-examples.

> For instance you look mostly rational when speaking about software.

How kind.

> It
> is startling to know that you have a tendence to believe in this ....
>
> how could I call that?
>
> Re: ligion?

If you understood what I believe, you wouldn't call it religion. But you 
need a label, and that's the label you choose. Your problem, not mine. 
But the only beliefs of mine that are relevant here in comp.lang.c are 
those that pertain to the C language. If you want to talk about 
religion, please take it up in a newsgroup where discussions about 
religion are topical.

>> (c) I have implemented genetic algorithms using the C language, and I
>> can testify that evolution works just fine - I have used it to find
>> good-enough solutions to problems that are too unwieldy for an
>> exhaustive search. Thus, the claim (in the Subject header of this
>> thread) that evolution is disproven is patently false.
>
> Evolution is possible and happening all the time.

That's what I said.

> And that contradicts
> all other stories... like the one in that bible.

Take it up in a newsgroup where it's relevant.

>> There is a perfectly reasonable way to reconcile the scientific model
>> with a Biblically young Earth that doesn't require anyone to mock anyone
>> else's point of view or suspend their disbelief or anything like that.
>
> No.

Take it up in a newsgroup where it's relevant.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#90181

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
Date2016-07-10 12:06 -0700
Message-ID<chine.bleu-7E35FE.12061210072016@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#90178
In article <nlts8c$fv9$1@dont-email.me>, jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> 
wrote:

> Evolution is possible and happening all the time. And that contradicts 

B. C. C++.

Devolution I'd say.



We are Devo.
D-E-V-O.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
If you assume the final scene is a dying delusion as Tom Cruise drowns below
the Louvre, then Edge of Tomorrow has a happy ending. Kill Tom repeat..

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