Re: OT: Evolution disproven

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: OT: Evolution disproven
Date	2016-07-07 09:19 +0200
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On 07/07/16 05:38, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 07/07/16 03:49, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 07/ 7/16 09:04 AM, Ken Brody wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2016 3:51 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/2016 12:49 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>> On 7/3/2016 6:13 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> It's a ploy to trick those who will only look at the surface, and who
>>>>>> won't pursue the truth with a real, full effort.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> If one digs below the surface to find the truth, one will find that
>>>>> the
>>>>> earth is more than 5000 years old.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW, why the hell do you get to limit God with 5000 years? Are you
>>>> kidding
>>>> me? IMVVVHO, God is a hyper smart scientist, and knows how to deal with
>>>> infinity. Why do you limit this God? Are you a moron?
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Perhaps this particular universe is 6000 years old, but $DIETY created
>>> (and
>>> perhaps destroyed) countless universes before this one?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Or maybe $DIETY's $DIETY created (and perhaps destroyed) countless
>> $DIETYs before this one?
>>

It's turtles all the way down...

>> Sorry, couldn't resist...
> 
> (a) Didn't any of you do Latin at school? It's DEITY, not DIETY.
> (b) What in heaven or on earth does this have to do with C?

It is a fine example of recursion, which is related to programming
(though apparently not to "structured programming", since it breaks our
trees).

> (c) I have implemented genetic algorithms using the C language, and I
> can testify that evolution works just fine - I have used it to find
> good-enough solutions to problems that are too unwieldy for an
> exhaustive search. Thus, the claim (in the Subject header of this
> thread) that evolution is disproven is patently false.

Indeed.  Evolution works - there is no doubt about that.  Ask anyone who
has suffered from antibiotic resistant bacteria.

But evolution is a way to change characteristics as you move from one
generation of things (lifeforms, algorithms, whatever) to the next - it
doesn't say how the process got started.  That is a very different
question - one that is poorly understood by most laymen (such as almost
everyone who claims that religious beliefs proves or disproves
scientific concepts, or that scientific evidence proves or disproves
religious concepts).  And it is definitely not a question for this group
- especially as many of the people here with interesting viewpoints
would (understandably) refuse to contribute in this newsgroup.

> 
> There is a perfectly reasonable way to reconcile the scientific model
> with a Biblically young Earth that doesn't require anyone to mock anyone
> else's point of view or suspend their disbelief or anything like that.
> If anyone wants to know what it is, by all means ask - but in a
> newsgroup that is intended for that purpose. Sure as eggs is eggs, that
> newsgroup is not *this* newsgroup.
> 

The trouble is, in most newsgroups where this sort of thing is on topic,
it's hard to get a civil discussion with thoughtful, educated and
intelligent people.  And in groups where you get civil discussions
amongst thoughtful, educated and intelligent people (like c.l.c.), these
sorts of topics are frowned upon and boycotted.

So I guess it's back to C...

Thread

OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 09:26 -0700
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-01 09:46 -0700
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 10:02 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 20:06 +0200
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 12:33 -0700
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 10:06 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 12:36 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 12:43 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 13:09 -0700
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 14:34 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-01 15:48 -0400
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-04 00:11 +0200
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-03 23:15 +0100
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-07-04 09:31 +0800
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-04 04:50 +0000
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 15:39 -0700
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 23:54 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-04 19:20 +0100
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:00 -0700
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:32 -0700
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-05 15:39 +0000
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 09:11 -0700
              See sig (Was: OT: Evolution disproven) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-05 17:48 +0000
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 17:53 -0400
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-06 18:44 -0700
        What is a troll? (Was: OT: Evolution disproven) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-05 15:43 +0000
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-07-01 10:43 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 10:54 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:01 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 20:04 +0200
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:08 -0700
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 20:13 +0200
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:36 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-07-01 21:05 +0200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 12:38 -0700
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-07-01 11:44 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 21:49 +0100
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 19:09 +0100
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 19:20 +0100
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-07-02 02:34 +0800
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 19:03 +0100
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:36 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 11:40 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-01 13:58 -0500
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-02 23:44 +0200
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-02 16:07 -0600
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 17:12 -0700
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 17:24 -0700
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 18:56 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 19:12 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 17:00 -0400
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 14:15 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-01 21:30 +0100
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-01 19:30 -0400
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-02 00:25 +0200
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 15:36 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 01:27 -0700
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 02:58 -0700
          Re: OT: Evolution disproven Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 12:16 +0100
            Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 06:13 -0700
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 17:53 +0100
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 10:21 -0700
              Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 12:51 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:04 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:20 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 17:04 -0400
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-06 19:08 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 19:30 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-07-07 08:55 +0200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-11 17:56 -0400
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-07 14:49 +1200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-07 04:38 +0100
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-07-07 09:19 +0200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 00:50 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-07 19:27 +1200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-11 19:05 -0400
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-10 18:14 +0200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-10 17:42 +0100
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-10 12:06 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 12:16 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-11 17:57 -0400
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 12:58 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-03 13:15 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-03 13:21 -0700
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-07-03 23:59 +0200
                Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-04 00:10 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-07-01 15:36 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-02 08:54 +0100
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-06 16:45 -0400
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-06 22:06 +0100
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-06 22:09 +0000
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 05:43 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-07-07 16:18 +0200
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 07:22 -0700
  Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 16:11 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 16:42 -0700
    Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-05 17:45 -0700
      Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 02:03 -0800
        Re: OT: Evolution disproven "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-06 03:40 -0800

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