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  comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-15 17:58 +0200
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 09:11 -0700
      Who is this newsgroup intended for? (Was: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-04-15 23:28 +0000
        Re: Who is this newsgroup intended for? (Was: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-04-16 09:24 +0200
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 09:33 -0700
      Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 09:42 -0700
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 10:02 -0700
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 13:21 -0700
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-04-15 14:14 -0700
      Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 00:53 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 01:02 -0700
      Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-17 11:20 +0200
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2019-04-15 21:18 +0000
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2019-04-16 03:40 +0000
      Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-04-16 11:39 +0000
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 18:38 +0800
      Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-16 20:39 +0200
        Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 14:32 -0700
          Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 14:43 -0700
          Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-04-16 22:47 +0100
            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 15:36 -0700
              Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 15:56 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 15:38 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-17 22:06 +0200
              Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-04-17 21:24 +0100
                Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 13:29 -0700
                Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 13:36 -0700
              Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-04-17 20:46 +0000
            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 13:06 -0700
              Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 13:18 -0700
          Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 14:49 -0700

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#143087 — comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude

USENET was the first social network. It started at the very beginning of 
the internet. This group, comp.lang.c was among the first groups to be 
created.

And it has followed the common evolution of the internet and the social 
networks: from a tool to discuss and create content to a tool for 
showing the worst impulses in each of its participants. With the excuse 
of "absolute freedom of expression", you can say anything, do anything.

It is no longer important if you contribute something useful to the 
community. It is much more important to establish a public image, to 
show yourself, without any consideration for the others.

Bringing up the worst in you shows you as someone who "speaks the truth" 
or "has no taboos", or "someone that dares to say what he is thinking 
about".

In most participants this is just a way of creating polemic, bullying, 
or other nasty behaviors but mostly benign.

In others (chad for instance) this shows as a compulsive obsession to 
show his genitals, or for "fir" to show how clever and fast programmer 
you are, or "hodgin" in preaching nonsense and posing as an old 
fashioned "jehova witness".

All of this is utterly banal, but at the same time shows a tendence of 
the online social media, a tendence that is far stronger in other media 
like the new phone networks, where fake news can lead to real murders.

I watched a film about this, fake news about suspect individuals led to 
the killing of two innocent people in Mexico, to several deaths in 
India, and here in Paris, members of the gypsy community were attacked 
and wounded because of the fake news about them kindapping children and 
selling their organs.

What is incredible is that this "fake news" goes backward to the middle 
ages, where innoncent people (jews and gypsies) were killed because they 
were accused of stealing children for thir blood. Nothing ever changes 
in the lowest part of the human mind, but this mentality combined with 
the tools of an electronically connected network makes for an explosive 
mixture.

And of course, this tendencies can be used by the powerful for their own 
purposes of manipulation. Trump's election, and more recently the 
Bolsonaro election in Brazil shows where this fascist attitude leads to.

Obviously the reasons for this aren't in the social media itself,nor in 
the internet, even if the anonymity of the exchanges furthers the lack 
of any restraint. The resons are in the situation of our sociaties as a 
whole, where the mass of people in our "democracies" sees that their 
situation worsens every day and yearns for the "make america great 
again" or make the UK great again" (brexiteers) or Bolsonaro with his 
masculine and violent narrative that promises to restore order from the 
gays and feminists that have weakened the male model...

That is why the verbal violence of chad was so difficult to endure (for 
me). It is the fascist mysogine attitude that is so representative of 
the current wave of "politically incorrect" that is boiling over in all 
countries.

In his messages, his sex is predominant and women appear only as:

<quote>
I managed to do my female coworker so hard that she was walking with a 
limp the next day.
<end quote>

Message posted April 13, 16:41

It is precisely this male violence that is the best representation of 
the state of our societies today. It is precisely the absence of women 
in this forums that makes for an easy and fertile soil for the "male 
display" attitude of this person.

And (of course) thompson will probably say that this message is off 
topic without taking any sides of course, he never does.

I do take sides, my rejection of this male violence, my rejection of 
this "show off" attitude is my side.

jacob

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#143088

On Monday, 15 April 2019 16:58:12 UTC+1, jacobnavia  wrote:
> 
> I managed to do my female coworker so hard that she was walking with a 
> limp the next day.
> <end quote>
> 
> Message posted April 13, 16:41
> 
> It is precisely this male violence that is the best representation of 
> the state of our societies today. It is precisely the absence of women 
> in this forums that makes for an easy and fertile soil for the "male 
> display" attitude of this person.
> 
I had decided that the best thing to do with Chad's postings was to
ignore them.
But I agree with you. This sort of thing is unacceptable, particularly
on a technical newsgroup which is supposed to cater mainly to professionals.

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#143096 — Who is this newsgroup intended for? (Was: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude)

In article <0cad5dff-1a18-426b-9bc7-b99efe4ffdeb@googlegroups.com>,
Malcolm McLean  <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>But I agree with you. This sort of thing is unacceptable, particularly
>on a technical newsgroup which is supposed to cater mainly to
>professionals.

Why do you say that?  Show me one cite that says that.

As is well know, there is no charter for CLC.

Therefore, any claim that "CLC is for <X>" is bogus.

-- 
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in compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following URL:
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#143099 — Re: Who is this newsgroup intended for? (Was: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude)

On 16/04/2019 01:28, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <0cad5dff-1a18-426b-9bc7-b99efe4ffdeb@googlegroups.com>,
> Malcolm McLean  <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
>> But I agree with you. This sort of thing is unacceptable, particularly
>> on a technical newsgroup which is supposed to cater mainly to
>> professionals.
> 
> Why do you say that?  Show me one cite that says that.
> 
> As is well know, there is no charter for CLC.
> 
> Therefore, any claim that "CLC is for <X>" is bogus.
> 

I think it is reasonable to say that c.l.c. is for discussing C.  The
clue is in the name, if not an official charter.

But it is not "mainly for professionals" - it is for anyone interested
in C, whether they are professionals, hobby programmers, students, or
whatever.

However, I think most of us agree that it is not the place for
discussing Amine's "algorithms", Chad's nether regions, Rick's cult, or
Fir's - well, whatever it is Fir tries to say.  I can rarely make any
sense of it.

I am not adverse to the occasional off-topic thread (though some other
people are - I speak only for myself).  But it has to be of interest to
several people in the group to be appropriate, it has to be
/occasional/, and it has to be /different/.  When Rick first made his
religious posts, some sparked interesting discussions.  But that time
has long past - anyone interested in them has read them, and endless
repetition is of no benefit to anyone.  And it is never okay with
misogynist or bigoted posts.  A good rule of thumb is to ask yourself it
you'd be happy to let your mother moderate your posts - if not, don't
make that post.

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#143089

W dniu poniedziałek, 15 kwietnia 2019 17:58:12 UTC+2 użytkownik jacobnavia napisał:
>  or for "fir" to show how clever and fast programmer 
> you are,

lol im rather showin how lazy and uncaring i am (also being slow but also being able to make some ideas of good new coding too)

well, the thing is i like to discuss things on some level or more compact logic and im easily aggreviated by some bulshit and bloat (i know it may be my fault).. i may be far from ideal in amny cases but many 'ideas' i talk on are very big quality 

as i said i would also have thsi group to have more spirit focused on core things to make/create something substantional impressive instead of big distraction of non important blablings... i dont think its totally egoistic, anyone could just join in and creata something good on his side...

fact is also groupo is degraded by clear imbeciles and the spirit the feeling of some technical intelligence is partially wasted by this idiot (i made what i could to try to repell thise heavy idiots - instead of some others who legitimize them)

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#143090

as to politics i recently wrote a post on it

all that people who show aggresive attitude to whole groups (like in polands to say judges, teachers, refugees, jews, bicycle users, lgbt and so on)  are simply primitive knuckleheads (who if acting more real should get and get imprisoned and that should cold them a bit) and i had noting common with those boneheads im fully agains em if you need to know

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#143091

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-4, jacobnavia wrote:
> or "hodgin" in preaching nonsense and posing as an old 
> fashioned "jehova witness".

Jacob, how many people here appreciate my posts?  How many admire
me and my work and efforts in creating a language like CAlive (a
software program written remembering fully the Lord throughout)?
Or how many regard me even in a generally positive way?  Some do.
I receive emails from people who are moved by my posts.  Most don't

Please understand:  I don't post about Christ to become popular.
I post because we each have sin and we need to be forgiven for our
sin to have the ability to enter into eternity alive and not be
judged.

I teach all the people in my life these things (not just here on
Usenet), which includes the areas to which I have interest (which
is also here on Usenet in the areas you see me post in C/C++/hardware
architecture).

-----
Have you ever investigated Christianity?
Why do you dismiss it with such hatred?
Has someone in the church hurt you?  If so, know that's not Jesus.

Christianity is about:

    ==> (1) Forgiveness of sin and 
    ==> (2) the salvation of our eternal souls.

You're going to die at some point, Jacob.  It's important.

If it weren't, I wouldn't post about it.
Do you see me posting about politics?
Or about currency fluctuations?

I post on comp.lang.c and comp.lang.c++ about C/C++ related
things, and about my C/C++ related CAlive language, and also
about Jesus Christ, sin, and salvation from sin.  I do so because
I care about you and the others here, and I want to see you all
forgiven for your sin and in Heaven thriving after you leave
this world.

-- 
Rick C. Hodgin

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#143093

On Monday, April 15, 2019 at 8:58:12 AM UTC-7, jacobnavia wrote:
> USENET was the first social network. It started at the very beginning of 
> the internet. This group, comp.lang.c was among the first groups to be 
> created.
> 
> And it has followed the common evolution of the internet and the social 
> networks: from a tool to discuss and create content to a tool for 
> showing the worst impulses in each of its participants. With the excuse 
> of "absolute freedom of expression", you can say anything, do anything.
> 
> It is no longer important if you contribute something useful to the 
> community. It is much more important to establish a public image, to 
> show yourself, without any consideration for the others.
> 
> Bringing up the worst in you shows you as someone who "speaks the truth" 
> or "has no taboos", or "someone that dares to say what he is thinking 
> about".
> 
> In most participants this is just a way of creating polemic, bullying, 
> or other nasty behaviors but mostly benign.
> 
> In others (chad for instance) this shows as a compulsive obsession to 
> show his genitals, or for "fir" to show how clever and fast programmer 
> you are, or "hodgin" in preaching nonsense and posing as an old 
> fashioned "jehova witness".
> 
> All of this is utterly banal, but at the same time shows a tendence of 
> the online social media, a tendence that is far stronger in other media 
> like the new phone networks, where fake news can lead to real murders.
> 
> I watched a film about this, fake news about suspect individuals led to 
> the killing of two innocent people in Mexico, to several deaths in 
> India, and here in Paris, members of the gypsy community were attacked 
> and wounded because of the fake news about them kindapping children and 
> selling their organs.
> 
> What is incredible is that this "fake news" goes backward to the middle 
> ages, where innoncent people (jews and gypsies) were killed because they 
> were accused of stealing children for thir blood. Nothing ever changes 
> in the lowest part of the human mind, but this mentality combined with 
> the tools of an electronically connected network makes for an explosive 
> mixture.
> 
> And of course, this tendencies can be used by the powerful for their own 
> purposes of manipulation. Trump's election, and more recently the 
> Bolsonaro election in Brazil shows where this fascist attitude leads to.
> 
> Obviously the reasons for this aren't in the social media itself,nor in 
> the internet, even if the anonymity of the exchanges furthers the lack 
> of any restraint. The resons are in the situation of our sociaties as a 
> whole, where the mass of people in our "democracies" sees that their 
> situation worsens every day and yearns for the "make america great 
> again" or make the UK great again" (brexiteers) or Bolsonaro with his 
> masculine and violent narrative that promises to restore order from the 
> gays and feminists that have weakened the male model...
> 
> That is why the verbal violence of chad was so difficult to endure (for 
> me). It is the fascist mysogine attitude that is so representative of 
> the current wave of "politically incorrect" that is boiling over in all 
> countries.
> 
> In his messages, his sex is predominant and women appear only as:
> 
> <quote>
> I managed to do my female coworker so hard that she was walking with a 
> limp the next day.
> <end quote>
> 
> Message posted April 13, 16:41
> 
> It is precisely this male violence that is the best representation of 
> the state of our societies today. It is precisely the absence of women 
> in this forums that makes for an easy and fertile soil for the "male 
> display" attitude of this person.
> 
> And (of course) thompson will probably say that this message is off 
> topic without taking any sides of course, he never does.
> 
> I do take sides, my rejection of this male violence, my rejection of 
> this "show off" attitude is my side.
> 

I think you need to read the actual B.S published by Google before getting your panties in a bundle

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#143094

jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> writes:
[...]
> And (of course) thompson will probably say that this message is off 
> topic without taking any sides of course, he never does.

Keep my name out of your rants.

[...]

-- 
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Will write code for food.
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#143100

W dniu poniedziałek, 15 kwietnia 2019 23:14:56 UTC+2 użytkownik Keith Thompson napisał:
> jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> writes:
> [...]
> > And (of course) thompson will probably say that this message is off 
> > topic without taking any sides of course, he never does.
> 
> Keep my name out of your rants.
> 
> [...]
> 
keith thompson used to be most funny troller once ago - used to 'rant', plonking people in public, agitating and so on... he combined bluntnes being terribly overpuffed and weak intelligence 
with a pose of chief troller.. hovever it was obviously less harmfull than medical idiots, esp medical idiot godgin which is biggest problem now

to resolve problem of medical idiot hodgin there is need a strictly treating this idiot as spammer it is NOBODY should answer to post of that medical idiot and thats all (it used to be good to answer but not in a way of legitimized this moron but to make some defence, but that was enough done i think, and this way of 
none half-troll like thomasson, brown or bartc or others should not feed that stupid idiot)

if that would be done hiodgin troll would cease with time but simply anybody needs to conform to that (in google groups it is also an option to mark a post of spam and it then not harms the eye)

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#143101

besides so to say ANYBODY (or nearly) has some dose of qualities of troller - it is becouse people hae stupid opinions (and stupid opinion make automativally a troller i guess).. people also like sensations/scandals and it ends this way nobody want to coding.. also people dwelwe in distractions (which is maybe not trolling but makes this group average)

though besides this trolling qualities groups used to have some advantage that
if someone starts some interesting coding matter it brings original coding interest
and this oldskool mode should be used more... i used to think this not works well here as people are too old here, but there is still an option

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#143163

Le 15/04/2019 à 23:14, Keith Thompson a écrit :
> jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> writes:
> [...]
>> And (of course) thompson will probably say that this message is off
>> topic without taking any sides of course, he never does.
> 
> Keep my name out of your rants.
> 
> [...]
> 

As I said, this person never takes any sides... Thanks for confirming, 
thompson.

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#143095

On 2019-04-15, jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
> It is no longer important if you contribute something useful to the 
> community. It is much more important to establish a public image, to 
> show yourself, without any consideration for the others.
>
> Bringing up the worst in you shows you as someone who "speaks the truth" 
> or "has no taboos", or "someone that dares to say what he is thinking 
> about".
>
> In most participants this is just a way of creating polemic, bullying, 
> or other nasty behaviors but mostly benign.

Up till this point it looked like your intentions are good, but ...

> And (of course) thompson will probably say that this message is off 
> topic without taking any sides of course, he never does.

... sadly, here you are bullying your favourite victim.

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#143098

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:58:03 +0200, jacobnavia
<jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:

>That is why the verbal violence of chad was so difficult to endure (for 

And posting lengthy diatribes to clc is *exactly* the right way to
discourage that behavior. Also, can I interest you in purchasing a
bridge, or some Arizona beachfront?

>It is precisely this male violence that is the best representation of 

Rather SJW-arrogant of you to presume that it wasn't entirely
consensual.

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#143103

On Tue, 2019-04-16, Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:58:03 +0200, jacobnavia
> <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
...
>>It is precisely this male violence that is the best representation of 
>
> Rather SJW-arrogant of you to presume that it wasn't entirely
> consensual.

Surely you realize those creepy phantasies are fiction.

/Jorgen

-- 
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\X/     snipabacken.se>   O  o   .

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#143102

On 4/15/2019 11:58 PM, jacobnavia wrote:
> USENET was the first social network. It started at the very beginning of
> the internet. This group, comp.lang.c was among the first groups to be
> created.
> ....


Could we go back to C the programming language? :)

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#143130

Le 16/04/2019 à 12:38, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> Could we go back to C the programming language? :)

Sure.

Here are the subjects of the last threads that YOU started:

1:
What is AI? What is not AI?

2:
As the Web Turns 30, Its Inventor Explains 3 Ways It Went Wrong—and How 
to Fix It

3:
Is genetic modification a kind of food poisoning?

You have participated to all spamming threads started by hodgin, but 
never did you actively participate in a technical discussion about C.

You do not know how to program in C either.

jacob

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#143146

W dniu wtorek, 16 kwietnia 2019 20:39:46 UTC+2 użytkownik jacobnavia napisał:
> Le 16/04/2019 à 12:38, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> > Could we go back to C the programming language? :)
> 
> Sure.
> 
> Here are the subjects of the last threads that YOU started:
> 
> 1:
> What is AI? What is not AI?
> 
> 2:
> As the Web Turns 30, Its Inventor Explains 3 Ways It Went Wrong—and How 
> to Fix It
> 
> 3:
> Is genetic modification a kind of food poisoning?
> 
> You have participated to all spamming threads started by hodgin, but 
> never did you actively participate in a technical discussion about C.
> 
> You do not know how to program in C either.
> 
thise obvious idiots/abusers  dont need any proof they are idiots/abusers - they just are.. more complaints to those half-trolls that feeds them , bartc is already ready and feed hodgin again

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#143148

W dniu wtorek, 16 kwietnia 2019 23:32:34 UTC+2 użytkownik fir napisał:
> W dniu wtorek, 16 kwietnia 2019 20:39:46 UTC+2 użytkownik jacobnavia napisał:
> > Le 16/04/2019 à 12:38, Mr. Man-wai Chang a écrit :
> > > Could we go back to C the programming language? :)
> > 
> > Sure.
> > 
> > Here are the subjects of the last threads that YOU started:
> > 
> > 1:
> > What is AI? What is not AI?
> > 
> > 2:
> > As the Web Turns 30, Its Inventor Explains 3 Ways It Went Wrong—and How 
> > to Fix It
> > 
> > 3:
> > Is genetic modification a kind of food poisoning?
> > 
> > You have participated to all spamming threads started by hodgin, but 
> > never did you actively participate in a technical discussion about C.
> > 
> > You do not know how to program in C either.
> > 
> thise obvious idiots/abusers  dont need any proof they are idiots/abusers - they just are.. more complaints to those half-trolls that feeds them , bartc is already ready and feed hodgin again

same brown, they make some group of hodgin feeders, brown thomason and bartc, this is kinda unresponsible trolling... and thsi group already has achieved tremendous stupidity density tnx to trolls and its suporters

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On 16/04/2019 22:32, fir wrote:

> bartc is already ready and feed hodgin again

I only respond on technical matters.

Or when someone mentions my name in an insulting manner.

I think the only way you'd be happy is for everyone to stop posting 
here. Except you.

Because everything else is apparently a moron, an imbecile, a cow, 
stupid, a blabber, a troll, or just posts boring stuff of no interest to 
you:

 >> lol, (and yawn)

 > yawning becouse that answer was not interesting - and sorta stupid to
 > be honest

I suggest trying this new hypermodular-c group which has no annoying 
posts at all.

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