comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude

From	jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude
Date	2019-04-15 17:58 +0200
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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USENET was the first social network. It started at the very beginning of 
the internet. This group, comp.lang.c was among the first groups to be 
created.

And it has followed the common evolution of the internet and the social 
networks: from a tool to discuss and create content to a tool for 
showing the worst impulses in each of its participants. With the excuse 
of "absolute freedom of expression", you can say anything, do anything.

It is no longer important if you contribute something useful to the 
community. It is much more important to establish a public image, to 
show yourself, without any consideration for the others.

Bringing up the worst in you shows you as someone who "speaks the truth" 
or "has no taboos", or "someone that dares to say what he is thinking 
about".

In most participants this is just a way of creating polemic, bullying, 
or other nasty behaviors but mostly benign.

In others (chad for instance) this shows as a compulsive obsession to 
show his genitals, or for "fir" to show how clever and fast programmer 
you are, or "hodgin" in preaching nonsense and posing as an old 
fashioned "jehova witness".

All of this is utterly banal, but at the same time shows a tendence of 
the online social media, a tendence that is far stronger in other media 
like the new phone networks, where fake news can lead to real murders.

I watched a film about this, fake news about suspect individuals led to 
the killing of two innocent people in Mexico, to several deaths in 
India, and here in Paris, members of the gypsy community were attacked 
and wounded because of the fake news about them kindapping children and 
selling their organs.

What is incredible is that this "fake news" goes backward to the middle 
ages, where innoncent people (jews and gypsies) were killed because they 
were accused of stealing children for thir blood. Nothing ever changes 
in the lowest part of the human mind, but this mentality combined with 
the tools of an electronically connected network makes for an explosive 
mixture.

And of course, this tendencies can be used by the powerful for their own 
purposes of manipulation. Trump's election, and more recently the 
Bolsonaro election in Brazil shows where this fascist attitude leads to.

Obviously the reasons for this aren't in the social media itself,nor in 
the internet, even if the anonymity of the exchanges furthers the lack 
of any restraint. The resons are in the situation of our sociaties as a 
whole, where the mass of people in our "democracies" sees that their 
situation worsens every day and yearns for the "make america great 
again" or make the UK great again" (brexiteers) or Bolsonaro with his 
masculine and violent narrative that promises to restore order from the 
gays and feminists that have weakened the male model...

That is why the verbal violence of chad was so difficult to endure (for 
me). It is the fascist mysogine attitude that is so representative of 
the current wave of "politically incorrect" that is boiling over in all 
countries.

In his messages, his sex is predominant and women appear only as:

<quote>
I managed to do my female coworker so hard that she was walking with a 
limp the next day.
<end quote>

Message posted April 13, 16:41

It is precisely this male violence that is the best representation of 
the state of our societies today. It is precisely the absence of women 
in this forums that makes for an easy and fertile soil for the "male 
display" attitude of this person.

And (of course) thompson will probably say that this message is off 
topic without taking any sides of course, he never does.

I do take sides, my rejection of this male violence, my rejection of 
this "show off" attitude is my side.

jacob

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comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-15 17:58 +0200
  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 09:11 -0700
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  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 09:33 -0700
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 09:42 -0700
  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 10:02 -0700
  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-04-15 13:21 -0700
  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-04-15 14:14 -0700
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 00:53 -0700
      Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 01:02 -0700
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-17 11:20 +0200
  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2019-04-15 21:18 +0000
  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude nobody@example.org (Scott) - 2019-04-16 03:40 +0000
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-04-16 11:39 +0000
  Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 18:38 +0800
    Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-16 20:39 +0200
      Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 14:32 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 14:43 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-04-16 22:47 +0100
          Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 15:36 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 15:56 -0700
          Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 15:38 -0700
          Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2019-04-17 22:06 +0200
            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-04-17 21:24 +0100
              Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 13:29 -0700
              Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 13:36 -0700
            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude queequeg@trust.no1 (Queequeg) - 2019-04-17 20:46 +0000
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            Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 13:18 -0700
        Re: comp.lang.c, USENET and the new fascist attitude "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 14:49 -0700

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