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| From | "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: The C Containers Library |
| Date | 2012-07-29 23:05 -0600 |
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"Alan Curry" <pacman@kosh.dhis.org> wrote in message
news:jv2pic$q6b$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> In article <jv2m8d$ir8$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
> jacob navia <jacob@jspamsink.org> wrote:
>>Le 29/07/12 06:08, Ansel a écrit :
>>>
>>> I don't think you can go to the conference and *not* compare against STL
>>> even though you have a C-based product. Else you're going to get
>>> responses
>>> like James gave you about it being kludgy -- you have to address that
>>> ("that" being that C gives one less clay to mold a container library
>>> with)
>>> and try to alleviate those concerns so that no one even thinks to say
>>> that.
>>> Your story needs to be not only convincing, but *compelling*.
>>>
> [...]
>>
>>No, I will not do that. The library is not a direct competition for the
>>STL, C++ is the best thing since sliced bread, and people that like
>>that machinery because they have been building it since years would fall
>>on me and my small project like hawks...
>
> Could you do a side-by-side with GLib? It has linked lists, trees,
> hashes... it's not exactly the same thing, but there is significant
> overlap. It's a C library, so it's closer to being your real
> competition.
I don't see it as a competition-type thing at all. Showing cognizance of
current technology is important (yes outside of one's pet language too). If
a dead C programmer from the 1970's were resurected and he immediately
created a container library for C based upon his existing knowledge, would
you take it seriously as a potential tool? It is A-OK to reject
alternatives, but it is not OK to not know what the alternatives (such as
design choices) are.
For example, in this thread there were some posts about "intrusive" an
"non-intrusive" containers. Well that is one design parameter and the
perpetrator of the design must tell why he chose one over the other or chose
to offer both. All the paths that the alternatives give must be examined and
final choices documented with the reasoning behind the choices made given.
(I'm not going to rewrite that sentence -- write a parser if it is
"obtuse" -- lol!).
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Re: The C Containers Library aftnix <aftnix@gmail.com> - 2012-07-26 13:13 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-26 22:31 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-07-28 17:46 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 02:05 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-07-30 14:48 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library Phil Bradby <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-01 21:00 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-01 23:18 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-02 00:48 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-02 07:00 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-02 13:27 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Quentin Pope <qp19433@hotmail.NOSPAM.com> - 2012-08-02 20:27 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-02 05:13 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-02 14:26 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-03 10:47 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library Noob <root@localhost> - 2012-07-29 09:58 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:31 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Noob <root@localhost> - 2012-07-30 09:45 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 02:10 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-07-30 14:54 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-26 16:52 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-26 22:56 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-26 22:29 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 01:50 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-27 22:28 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-29 06:31 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:26 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 02:21 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-02 02:27 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-02 16:43 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Ansel <lateknightdev@gmail.com> - 2012-08-02 17:07 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-03 22:21 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Ansel <lateknightdev@gmail.com> - 2012-08-03 15:43 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-04 06:32 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-04 01:52 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:36 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-05 08:36 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-05 01:28 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-05 11:31 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-05 03:48 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-04 03:41 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 01:55 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-26 13:45 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-26 22:53 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-26 18:46 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 10:59 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-07-27 03:39 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-27 11:34 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 11:04 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library W Karas <wkaras@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-27 13:10 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-26 18:54 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-27 10:25 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-27 11:28 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-27 15:17 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-27 13:00 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 02:02 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-28 22:08 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 08:46 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-29 07:43 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 09:59 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-29 06:43 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-29 17:27 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 20:56 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-30 00:07 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:07 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-29 11:58 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 22:06 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 22:23 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-07-30 00:13 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:13 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-30 01:10 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 02:57 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-07-30 15:47 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-30 13:01 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 04:53 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-30 13:04 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-02 02:11 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-02 06:52 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-02 06:46 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-30 00:41 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-30 09:45 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-29 23:05 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-29 22:52 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 04:56 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-02 02:07 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-30 17:49 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-28 09:17 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library W Karas <wkaras@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-28 15:17 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-29 11:10 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-28 06:51 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-28 17:23 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-30 13:40 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-07-31 00:24 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-07-31 00:05 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-31 00:53 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-31 09:24 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-02 14:45 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-03 22:31 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-04 00:01 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-03 23:45 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:47 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:41 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 10:24 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-07 15:30 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-07 15:35 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 12:40 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 00:07 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 17:31 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 03:14 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-08 05:22 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 12:36 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-08 02:26 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-08 17:25 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-03 16:04 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library SG <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-08-04 04:52 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-04 18:42 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ike Naar <ike@faeroes.freeshell.org> - 2012-08-04 19:17 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Ike Naar <ike@faeroes.freeshell.org> - 2012-08-04 19:22 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-04 22:14 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-05 00:15 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ike Naar <ike@faeroes.freeshell.org> - 2012-08-04 23:13 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:53 -0600
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