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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: The C Containers Library |
| Date | 2012-07-26 16:52 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <5011AE0A.5000907@verizon.net> (permalink) |
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On 07/26/2012 04:13 PM, aftnix wrote: > On Monday, July 9, 2012 1:53:07 AM UTC+6, jacob navia wrote: ... >> I have tried to keep the language of the specifications clear and >> concise, but I have avoided trying to mimic "standardese" since I >> believe that the explanations should be understood by all programmers >> using the library without any artificial restrictions. As a model, I >> used the language used in the "RFC"s of the interenet, specifications >> that proved quite useful but are in plain language, understood by >> everyone. That's somewhat counterproductive. Whether or not jacob wants it to be, his proposal, if accepted, would have to be translated into standardese for inclusion in the C standard. The goal of the standard is not to make the explanations as easy to understand as possible - that's what text books are for. The standard needs to have specifications sufficiently precise to avoid ambiguity, even if that makes them harder to understand. It must cover the corner cases, even if mentioning the corner cases interferes with understanding what's supposed to happen in the normal case. The need to perform that translation will tend to discourage adoption of the proposal, all else being equal. On the other hand, someone as unsympathetic as jacob is to the use of standardese is unlikely to perform a good translation, so perhaps it is best if he doesn't even try. If it is adopted, it would almost certainly need a significant re-write anyway before it could be approved, even if it were written in fluent standardese.
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The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-08 21:53 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library aftnix <aftnix@gmail.com> - 2012-07-26 13:13 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-26 22:31 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-07-28 17:46 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 02:05 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-07-30 14:48 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library Phil Bradby <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-01 21:00 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-01 23:18 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-02 00:48 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-02 07:00 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-02 13:27 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Quentin Pope <qp19433@hotmail.NOSPAM.com> - 2012-08-02 20:27 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-02 05:13 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-02 14:26 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-03 10:47 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library Noob <root@localhost> - 2012-07-29 09:58 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:31 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Noob <root@localhost> - 2012-07-30 09:45 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 02:10 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-07-30 14:54 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-26 16:52 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-26 22:56 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-26 22:29 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 01:50 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-27 22:28 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-29 06:31 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:26 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 02:21 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-02 02:27 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-02 16:43 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Ansel <lateknightdev@gmail.com> - 2012-08-02 17:07 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-03 22:21 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Ansel <lateknightdev@gmail.com> - 2012-08-03 15:43 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-04 06:32 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-04 01:52 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:36 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-05 08:36 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-05 01:28 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-05 11:31 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-05 03:48 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-04 03:41 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 01:55 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-26 13:45 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-26 22:53 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-26 18:46 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 10:59 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-07-27 03:39 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-27 11:34 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-27 11:04 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library W Karas <wkaras@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-27 13:10 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-26 18:54 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-27 10:25 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-27 11:28 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-27 15:17 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library wkaras@yahoo.com - 2012-07-27 13:00 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 02:02 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-28 22:08 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 08:46 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-29 07:43 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 09:59 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-29 06:43 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-29 17:27 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 20:56 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-07-30 00:07 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:07 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-29 11:58 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 22:06 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-29 22:23 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-07-30 00:13 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 00:13 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-30 01:10 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-30 02:57 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-07-30 15:47 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-30 13:01 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 04:53 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-30 13:04 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-02 02:11 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-02 06:52 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-02 06:46 -0400
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-30 00:41 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-30 09:45 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-29 23:05 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-29 22:52 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-30 04:56 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-02 02:07 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-30 17:49 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-28 09:17 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library W Karas <wkaras@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-28 15:17 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-29 11:10 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-28 06:51 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-28 17:23 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-30 13:40 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-07-31 00:24 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-07-31 00:05 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-31 00:53 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-07-31 09:24 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-02 14:45 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-03 22:31 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-04 00:01 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-03 23:45 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:47 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:41 -0600
Re: The C Containers Library Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-07 10:24 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-07 15:30 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-07 15:35 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 12:40 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 00:07 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 17:31 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 03:14 +0100
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-08 05:22 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 12:36 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-08 02:26 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-08 17:25 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-03 16:04 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library SG <s.gesemann@gmail.com> - 2012-08-04 04:52 -0700
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-04 18:42 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ike Naar <ike@faeroes.freeshell.org> - 2012-08-04 19:17 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library Ike Naar <ike@faeroes.freeshell.org> - 2012-08-04 19:22 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-04 22:14 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-05 00:15 +0200
Re: The C Containers Library Ike Naar <ike@faeroes.freeshell.org> - 2012-08-04 23:13 +0000
Re: The C Containers Library "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:53 -0600
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