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Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue

From Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue
Date 2016-12-14 17:27 +0000
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BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 14/12/2016 02:09, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>
>>> Yes, maybe a return value can be added for a more general function
>>> (the original was only called in one place). And the result can
>>> sometimes be used in place of discrete myeof and mygets calls.
>>
>> In what situations can a properly written myfgets call /not/ be used in
>> place of the myeof/myfgets pair?  You say "sometimes" like it might
>> occur now and then, but with a significant number of cases where you
>> can't use it in place of the pair.
>
> Where the body of the loop doesn't always read a line of text.

I don't follow.  You said in place of discrete myeof and mygets calls.
If you have the discrete calls you are reading a line of text.  At least
that's what I took you to mean.  To be clear, the return value lets you
replace your pair

  while (!myeof()) {
     myfgets(&line);  /* I don't recall the interface. */
     ...
  }

with

  while (myfgets(&line)) {
     ...
  }

Simpler, and one less function to get wrong.

There are, of course, other situations where you can't use myfgets even
if it returns a status.  In those, you should (usually) also ditch the
myeof function and use the return status of whatever other input
operation are being used.

<snip>
> But look here:
>
> https://www.rosettacode.org/wiki/Read_a_file_line_by_line
>
> Out of 100 or so languages, about 20% of them are using an explicit
> pre-read EOF check. Including most of the Basics and Pascals.

OK.  Given the number of languages that old ones like Pascal have
spawned I'm a little surprised it's only 20%.

> I don't think it's a coincidence either that those were amongst the
> easiest to understand. (Half of the rest, I'd hadn't a clue what was
> going on.)

Do you find

  while (fgets(...)) ...

or

  while ((ch = getchar()) != EOF) ...

hard to understand?  The others may be easier (I don't think so -- just
ask a student for a prompt + input loop in Pascal!) but since the C
idiom is not hard to follow, that's the way to go in C.

<snip>
>> Ah, right.  You skipped the question about the mysterious -2 in the size
>> passed to fgets.  Is that some odd translation artefact too?
>
> It's been there for years. Maybe I just didn't trust fgets enough. Or
> maybe the original was pre-fgets and I was working by reading blocks
> of bytes looking for possible newlines. Basically, I don't know. But I
> do like my margins.

OK, but it reduces the margin on the other side of the call.  More small
buffer sizes are erroneous.

>> I'm not sure what "allow for" means.  You remove some lone CRs that are
>> not part of the line ending and not others.
>
> Figuring out which were part of the line ending would take too long

No it wouldn't.  In your case it would just be a CR directly before a
newline.

> (having to do strlen is bad enough). I don't want stray CRs anyway.
>
>> (I would not even remove the line ending.)
>
> That figures!

Yes.  I like input functions to do the input and scanning/parsing
function to do the parsing (you recall you accused me of wanting to mix
them up but it's you that does that).  A line reading function that
trims the terminator makes it impossible to tell if there was one and
you sometimes care about that.  With fgets, you care because it may mean
the line is over long.

Note, however, that you are doing more that stripping the line ending.

> You start with strings "one", "two", "three" - notice no newlines -
> and you want to write them to a file so they can be recalled
> later. However, they would be written as "onetwothree", so you need a
> separator.
>
> 'newline' fills the role and is compatible with other viewers and
> readers of the file which will tidily show the contents on separate
> lines.
>
> Now you [read] them back in. But you don't want to end up with "one\n",
> "two\n" and possibly "three\n". (For one thing, if you write this data
> out again, and read it in again, you might get "one\n", "\n", "two\n"
> etc.)

Yes, you might.  It is always possible to come up with a scenario where
not changing some part of a program, despite changes in other parts,
will cause problems.

> So newlines are often just an unneeded artefact. (Every bit of Python
> line reading code I see seems to have a '\n'-stripping step added to
> it.)

Ah, good -- separating the input from the scanning/parsing.  You remember
you were a fan of that before?

Unfortunately you cut what is probably the only really interesting part
of my post where I asked you explain your thinking.  I think I've
explained why I like input functions to report a status but you said of
void functions:

| They make me think harder about what a routine is doing, and whether
| it ought to be returning a value or not.

which suggests you thought hard about it and decided that the line
reading function should remain void.  I'm struggling to see why.  I
probably won't agree with your thought processes, but currently I can't
even imagine what they might have been.  This is about the only
conceptual part of the exchange and it seems a shame to skip it.


-- 
Ben.

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                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-10 16:01 +0000
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-10 19:47 +0000
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                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-11 16:56 +0000
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-11 12:56 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-11 08:55 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-11 17:19 +0000
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 04:09 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-10 15:18 +0000
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 07:30 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-10 15:43 +0000
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-10 14:56 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-10 07:57 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-09 11:40 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-10 03:19 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-10 07:49 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-10 16:11 +0000
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-10 14:45 -0800
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-10 22:59 +0000
              Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2016-12-08 11:26 -0500
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2016-12-08 11:48 -0500
                Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-11 23:33 -0800
    Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 23:09 -0800
  Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-07 09:53 -0800
  Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2016-12-07 11:26 -0800
    Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-07 11:50 -0800
    Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-07 23:12 -0800
      Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-08 07:31 +0000
        Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-08 11:00 +0000
          Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2016-12-09 00:48 -0800
  Re: while loop vs do while loop reading from the file issue Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-12-10 13:49 -0800

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