Re: Hello World in Russian

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: Hello World in Russian
Date	2022-01-31 23:47 +0000
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Muttley@dastardlyhq.com writes:

> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:12:58 +0000
> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
>>Muttley@dastardlyhq.com writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 12:12:33 +0000
>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>"Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> My opinion is that C (and hence also C++) text mode is an abomination
>>>>> that should never have been introduced, and that in addition, given
>>>>> that it was introduced, it's designed in a stupid way with the data
>>>>> conversion applied underneath the buffer level so that one can't get a
>>>>> clear view of the raw data.
>>>>>
>>>>> As an example, the design means that Unix `cat` can't be faithfully
>>>>> implemented in Windows using only standard C or C++, which IMO is
>>>>> extreme.
>>>>
>>>>I assume you are talking about the cases where cat defaults to reading
>>>>stdin and/or writing stdout, If so, it could be argued that it's not the
>>>>fault of the C and C++ standards, but more the fault of the
>>>>implementations not providing a useful freopen function.
>>>
>>> I see no reason why cat would need freopen because it probably uses low level
>>
>>> I/O anyway and doesn't care where its stdin is coming from if it has to read
>>> from it.
>>
>>"Low level I/O" is not part of standard C, nor (as far as I know)
>
> So? Very little is part of standard C if you want to be pedantic and all *nix's
> implement open(), read(), write() etc. Unless you thought I meant something 
> else by low level.

Why are you asking me?  Ask Alf why he thinks it matters!  He brought it
up, I just bought up the standard C "solution".

-- 
Ben.

Thread

Hello World in Russian Joseph Hesse <joeh@gmail.com> - 2022-01-29 05:51 +0200
  Re: Hello World in Russian James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-28 23:27 -0500
    Re: Hello World in Russian Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-01-29 10:21 +0000
  Re: Hello World in Russian Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-01-28 22:42 -0800
    Re: Hello World in Russian David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-01-29 13:01 +0100
      Re: Hello World in Russian "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2022-01-29 14:12 +0100
        Re: Hello World in Russian David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-01-29 17:34 +0100
      Re: Hello World in Russian James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-30 14:17 -0500
        Re: Hello World in Russian Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-01-30 20:17 -0800
  Re: Hello World in Russian "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2022-01-29 11:48 +0100
    Re: Hello World in Russian Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2022-01-29 17:39 +0200
      Re: Hello World in Russian "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2022-01-30 09:18 +0100
        Re: Hello World in Russian Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-01-30 12:12 +0000
          Re: Hello World in Russian "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2022-01-30 14:02 +0100
            Re: Hello World in Russian Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-01-30 14:45 +0000
              Re: Hello World in Russian "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2022-01-30 21:53 +0100
                Re: Hello World in Russian Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-01-30 21:00 +0000
            Re: Hello World in Russian James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2022-01-30 14:02 -0500
          Re: Hello World in Russian Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-01-31 10:23 +0000
            Re: Hello World in Russian scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-01-31 16:11 +0000
              Re: Hello World in Russian Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-01-31 16:36 +0000
              Re: Hello World in Russian Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2022-01-31 20:20 +0200
            Re: Hello World in Russian Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-01-31 16:12 +0000
              Re: Hello World in Russian Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2022-01-31 16:39 +0000
                Re: Hello World in Russian Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-01-31 23:47 +0000
        Re: Hello World in Russian Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-01-31 16:45 +0100
        Re: Hello World in Russian Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2022-01-31 10:10 -0800
          Re: Hello World in Russian "Alf P. Steinbach" <alf.p.steinbach@gmail.com> - 2022-01-31 19:25 +0100
      Re: Hello World in Russian Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2022-01-30 12:09 +0100
        Re: Hello World in Russian Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2022-01-30 14:26 +0200
          Re: Hello World in Russian Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-01-30 08:59 -0500
            Re: Hello World in Russian Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2022-01-30 18:21 +0200
              Re: Hello World in Russian Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2022-01-30 12:56 -0500
                Re: Hello World in Russian Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-02-07 21:05 +0000

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