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  Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-06-10 20:15 +0000
    Re: Accepting credit cards Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2015-06-10 20:23 +0000
      Re: Accepting credit cards smr <me@shawnritchie.com> - 2015-06-10 15:56 -0500
        Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-06-10 21:42 +0000
          Re: Accepting credit cards Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2015-06-10 23:22 +0000
        Re: Accepting credit cards Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2015-06-11 12:58 +0000
          Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-06-12 13:55 +0000
          Re: Accepting credit cards Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2015-06-12 21:22 +0000
          Re: Accepting credit cards Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-22 16:52 +0000
    Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-06-29 02:59 +0000
      Re: Accepting credit cards Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> - 2015-06-29 11:30 -0400
        Re: Accepting credit cards Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> - 2015-06-29 15:04 -0400
          Re: Accepting credit cards Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2015-06-29 20:33 +0000
            Re: Accepting credit cards Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> - 2015-07-02 22:30 +0000
              Re: Accepting credit cards Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2015-07-03 10:13 +0000
                Re: Accepting credit cards Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> - 2015-07-03 13:46 +0000
                Re: Accepting credit cards Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> - 2015-07-03 13:33 -0400
                  Re: Accepting credit cards Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> - 2015-07-04 12:30 +0000
                    Re: Accepting credit cards nobody@[127.0.0.1] (DWT) - 2015-07-04 18:05 +0000
                      Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-07-04 18:32 +0000
                    Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-07-06 18:47 +0000
                      Re: Accepting credit cards smr <me@shawnritchie.com> - 2015-07-06 16:32 -0500
                        Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-07-06 23:14 +0000
                          Re: Accepting credit cards smr <me@shawnritchie.com> - 2015-07-07 09:31 -0500
                            Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-07-07 15:35 +0000
        Re: Accepting credit cards Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> - 2015-07-03 13:47 +0000
      Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-06-29 20:25 +0000
        Re: Accepting credit cards Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> - 2015-06-29 20:31 +0000
          Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-06-30 02:10 +0000
        Re: Accepting credit cards "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2015-06-30 02:12 +0000

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#3125 — Accepting credit cards

Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
credit cards for a nonprofit organization?

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#3126

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
> credit cards for a nonprofit organization?

https://squareup.com/

Have used it for years with no problems.

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#3127

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:23:57 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
>> credit cards for a nonprofit organization?
> 
> https://squareup.com/
> 
> Have used it for years with no problems.

This. Fuck PayPal forever, they're shit.

-- 
smr

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#3128

smr <me@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:23:57 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>>Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
>>>credit cards for a nonprofit organization?

>>https://squareup.com/

>>Have used it for years with no problems.

>This. Fuck PayPal forever, they're shit.

Just for a laff, I called the bank. They're processing rates are 2.1% credit
card and 1.79% debit card, plus 20 cents per transaction for authorization,
plus a fraction of a percent to accent credit cards without the physical
card to swipe. I told them some ridiculous number that I might hit in a
month if I know what I'm doing, after lots of trial and error (mostly error).
But they want two years of financials, kind of hard to do when you've never
accepted a credit card.

Squareup wants 2.75% for credit cards; I don't spot the debit card rate.
Even AmEx! The bank told me I'd have to pay AmEx $8.95 per month till I
got some sort of significant volume, as AmEx does its own processing.

Squareup sounds like a good deal. Thanks C.L. and shawn.

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#3129

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> smr <me@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 20:23:57 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
>>>>credit cards for a nonprofit organization?
> 
>>>https://squareup.com/
> 
>>>Have used it for years with no problems.
> 
>>This. Fuck PayPal forever, they're shit.
> 
> Just for a laff, I called the bank. They're processing rates are 2.1% credit
> card and 1.79% debit card, plus 20 cents per transaction for authorization,
> plus a fraction of a percent to accent credit cards without the physical
> card to swipe. I told them some ridiculous number that I might hit in a
> month if I know what I'm doing, after lots of trial and error (mostly error).
> But they want two years of financials, kind of hard to do when you've never
> accepted a credit card.
> 
> Squareup wants 2.75% for credit cards; I don't spot the debit card rate.
> Even AmEx! The bank told me I'd have to pay AmEx $8.95 per month till I
> got some sort of significant volume, as AmEx does its own processing.
> 
> Squareup sounds like a good deal. Thanks C.L. and shawn.

Square really is a no BS sort of deal. There's never the typical what 
cards do you want to accept ala carte fees like with typical merchant 
processors. Imagine paying $20 extra a month to have the privilege to 
maybe swipe a discover or amex card. That's how it used to work.

When I had a normal merchant account with access to the internet payment 
gateway, metal plates for an card imprinting machines (no idea why they 
kept sending that junk to me or what prison they were made in) and all 
that jazz, Wells Fargo was pretty good. You will get nickle and dimed, or 
more like tenned and twentied with incessant bullshit feeds like the 
annual security self audit, which was only $40 at the time, plus the 
discount rate doubles for corporate cards and crap like that. It's just 
not worth the hassle these days unless you have a really good reason to 
need it.

If you take square payments over the phone, there is an additional, tiny 
charge. You do need to enter the card into an android or apple phone or 
tablet as they do not have a PC based virtual terminal. The card swipe 
devices that plug into a phone are free these days. You can create an 
online store and let people key in their own card info at no extra charge.

We never got international cards to work though, big deal. That stuff is 
sketchy to start with though.

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#3130

smr <me@shawnritchie.com> wrote:

> This. Fuck PayPal forever, they're shit.

It seems like people who bounce checks and try over drawing their credit
cards always say that.

I've been with them since they were x.com in the 1990's and used the
merchant services for the past 10 years for ripco "AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM".

They probably aren't the cheapest but they are the easiest to use, just fire
up any web browser on any device, log in, enter the card #, expire date and
amount, and thats it. No names, no "back of the card" codes.

I looked at squaredup just now and didn't drill down very far but make sure
if you sign up to go through the actual contract rather than the sales
pitch. They might be on the up-and-up, but I don't deal with them.

What I'm trying to say is, we did have our own cc processing prior to using
paypal with some place in texas. On the surface it seemed reasonable but
there were massive hidden fees and charges depending on any particular
month.

Again, things are different today but back then, no physical swipes each
month meant a higher rate. Thus 100% over-the-phone charges without running
any card via the swiper meant both the base service fee per transaction went
up along with the minimum service fees. They expected one or two physical
swipes per week, for what reason, I dunno.

There was also some confusing-as-fuck minimums each month with both total
number of transactions and total sales volume. I actually kept them for a
while after going with paypal but after 6 months the minimum monthly service
fee went from $9.95 to $49.99 due to inactivity and they were cancelled.

Before you say, "Gee Bruce, you were an idiot for dealing with them", keep
in mind that place in texas was where our bank steered us to. Besides, I was
aware a year into the deal that it didn't seem right. There was a guy on
ripco who did this for a living, worked for some company and sold credit
card processing to small businesses and he said in the beginning we were
getting ripped off too, until he looked over all the paperwork and 13-14
months of reports from us.

There was no alternatives. It pretty much came out the same with all the
other services based on how we were running the cards at the time.

Again, things change and internet sales are probably doing better than brick
and mortar sales and some rules and superstitions are old hat now but paypal
gives me a peice of mind. I know exactly what everything costs, how much is
getting transferred into the bank account, simple to use and it just works.

Whatever few dollars a month I'm losing dealing with them is well worth it.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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#3135

Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
>smr <me@shawnritchie.com> wrote:

>>Why in the fuck are you accusing me of bouncing checks and overdrawing 
>>credit cards, you ginormous fucking asshole? This has NEVER happened and 
>>is not my issue with Paypal. Where the fuck do you get off insinuating 
>>that it is?

>Wow, touched a raw nerve there.

>Do you have something to share with the class? Anything you want to get off
>your chest?

>Look, I didn't focus that comment at you directly, it's just the way I see
>things. I tend to follow some of these "paypal horror stories" and somewhere
>down the line the fault usually doesn't end up with paypal being the big
>evil company everyone makes it out to be.

>I'm sure they are though, like any other financial institution or bank.

>I mean I've been with the same bank for over 20 years, both business and
>personal. You think if all of a sudden I started making large cash deposits
>and once a month writing a check to "Juan Valdez" for an equal amount, they
>wouldn't rat me out to the feds?

You have a Dennis Hastert problem?

>Same with Paypal, if they see something going on that doesn't seem kosher,
>they aren't going to put the slapdown on an account until it can be
>resolved or investigated?

Ahem.

Speaking from personal experience (the story I finished telling at lunch
at the Vienna Beef factory cafe), uh, no, no they fucking won't.

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#3140

Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
>> I haven't had major problems with PayPal, but there were several annoyances.
>> One nonprofit that had been with them for years suddenly had to fax in all
>> sorts of paperwork to established that they had 501(c)(3) recognition, and
>> it took a lot of followup on my part to get PayPal to look at what they
>> had demanded. The other annoyance was they changed the way they created
>> reports a few months ago. I had separate logins, didn't want to use the
>> master login for anything but money transfers to minimize the number of
>> people with access, but then I lost access to the reports that had been
>> set up on one of the less priviledged accounts. Took a long time on the
>> phone with them before someone finally explained that with the change,
>> you have to set up an unprivileged account (unable to transfer monies)
>> with just one feature: report creation. None of these changes were spelled
>> out on the help text on the Web site.
> 
> One comment about the above, I dunno what law or banking rules changed but
> there is something recently that put the screws to financial groups to
> verify customers, but I dunno what.
> 
> This probably has nothing to do with it, but seems related, there is a
> "exchange" for that bitcoin stuff I've hung out on for the past year or so.
> This was just one of those things that seemed interesting, sort of like
> playing the stock market with monopoly money. There is no "cash out" there
> to turn your bitcoin into USD or any other fiat currency.
> 
> You either buy other alt coins (doge, mint) with the btc or sell the alt
> coins taking btc in trade for them. But it really is playing with monopoly
> money, you can't even do a buy-in with cash at the exchange. You can only
> move in BTC to them, or some other alt coin.
> 
> Last month, for no explained reason, all of a sudden you couldn't do
> anything with moving coins in or out until you "registered". No more
> anonymous accounts. From under the equiv of $2000 a day or less, you needed
> to give them a real name and verified email address. I think the $2000-$10K
> was email, real name, photo id faxed to them with an address. Over 10K, all
> that and an social security number with some kind of background check.
> 
> Now this upset a lot of people and finally they gave the explanation that
> even though they aren't dealing with real currency in any shape or form, the
> US fed decided that they are in fact some kind of money-lending or
> money-handling institution and immediately needed to implement a "KYC"
> program, which stands for "Know Your Customer".
> 
> That KYC seems to be connected to some Homeland security shit and appears
> that even though there is no money changing hands, the feds can come in and
> request a customer list at their whim, on demand.
> 
> I mean this is really a stretch to me. Yes I can see how if I had like .25
> of a BTC, bought some alt coins, those go up, I make another .25 BTC,
> transfer it out to somewhere else to get .5 BTC in cash, that they were
> responsible for me gaining some profit, but really, where is this going to
> end? I mean this is really grasping at straws.
> 
> 
>> Here's the nonsense Chase gave me this morning: I need audited financial
>> statements for at least two years. Now, banks don't always require AUDITED
>> financial statements, but there are major auditing rules that are costly
>> to comply with, so for the tiny nonprofit it would have cost a minimum
>> of several thousand dollars to prepare.
> 
>> Squareup didn't ask for that.
> 
> Again, I dunno of the bitcoin story is related but maybe the fed is putting
> the screws to Chase as well for more info on the non-profits as well. Keep
> in mind I think those non-profits can be used like the exchange, one can
> open one for screwing around, what it is, like 90% of the income can be used
> for "non-profit business profits" or something (salaries, promotions).
> 
> I mean ripco is a class c corporation, someone walks in with a check for a
> million dollars, it's business as usual. Someone gives a million as an
> "anonymous donation" to a non-profit, I think it's easier to bury the money.
> 
> Just a guess.
> 
>> I know credit card processors are desperate to avoid fraud, but there
>> must be another way to do it for tiny nonprofits and business startups.
> 
> I doubt it.
> 
> Reason being, I don't see why they would try to go the extra mile for less
> profits. If you walk in there saying I need a high-volume solution meaning
> tens of thousands of transactions a month, they probably let you name your
> own rates. Onesies-twosies no matter where it's from just doesn't matter to
> their bottom line.
> 
> I'm sure if CL recommend that squaredup place, it's legit but I am trying to
> point out, this is like getting in bed with Comcast. They'll tell you how
> great it is for first 6 or 12 months with free-this and free-that, provided
> you sign up for the 2 year contract. Of course the real question that should
> be posed is, what happens and what are the rates for the start of the second
> year. What CL is using squaredup for may not apply to what you want to do
> with it.

square has been good for years and tens of thousands of dollars. Worst 
case they might jack up rates when the chips in credit cards become more 
important than the magnetic stripe, or they make some sort of chip reader 
device. Either way, they've never been full of suprise fees like the 
typical bank or merchange processor. The money dumps int your bank account 
much faster too. I think we get the money two days after the card swipe or 
online order.

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#3141

On 2015-06-11, Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> smr <me@shawnritchie.com> wrote:
>
>> This. Fuck PayPal forever, they're shit.
>
> It seems like people who bounce checks and try over drawing their credit
> cards always say that.

Huh? PayPal has or had some very annoying rules which aren't very clear
until you run into them. Their customer service is or was very opaque
and difficult. This is their reputation with many and I have run into
some of it on a minor scale and for me everything was sorted out in the
end and relatively quickly. Because of that I don't have any strong
feelings for or against PayPal but enough to where I can believe some
people have had bad experiences with PayPal just because their
transactions ran into some special case or hit some sort of snag. 

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#3142

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
>credit cards for a nonprofit organization?

My Square magnetic swipe reader showed up the other day. I don't have
a smart phone to use it with, though.

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#3144

In article ahk@chinet.com says...
> >Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
> >credit cards for a nonprofit organization?
> 
> My Square magnetic swipe reader showed up the other day. I don't have
> a smart phone to use it with, though.

Is there a tablet app for it that works with Wifi?

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#3148

In article presence@MUNGEpanix.com says...
> 
> Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> > In article presence@MUNGEpanix.com says...
> >> >> >Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
> >> >> >credit cards for a nonprofit organization?
> >> >> 
> >> >> My Square magnetic swipe reader showed up the other day. I don't have
> >> >> a smart phone to use it with, though.
> >> > 
> >> > Is there a tablet app for it that works with Wifi?
> >> 
> >> yes, but it does want GPS enabled during the transaction, at least for 
> >> android.
> > 
> > My tablet does GPS.
> 
> Give your tablet to Adam and he'll be just fine.

They have a 7" Samsung for the same price I paid 2 1/2 years ago and 
there's an open box special for $112.  Doubt you can touch a decent 
smartphone for less than $600.  Not sure how you hook up a credit card 
swiper to it however.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/428596/Galaxy_Tab_3_70_Lite_Tablet_-
_Black

I have no need for data if I'm out and about and I'm amazed at all the 
Facebook or Twitter addicts staring at their screens like zombies.  If 
religion is considered an opiate for the masses, smart phones and data 
plans are chasing-the-dragon heroin.  

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#3151

Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
> In article presence@MUNGEpanix.com says...
>> 
>> Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
>> > In article presence@MUNGEpanix.com says...
>> >> >> >Aside from PayPal, does anyone else have recommendations for accepting
>> >> >> >credit cards for a nonprofit organization?
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> My Square magnetic swipe reader showed up the other day. I don't have
>> >> >> a smart phone to use it with, though.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Is there a tablet app for it that works with Wifi?
>> >> 
>> >> yes, but it does want GPS enabled during the transaction, at least for 
>> >> android.
>> > 
>> > My tablet does GPS.
>> 
>> Give your tablet to Adam and he'll be just fine.
> 
> They have a 7" Samsung for the same price I paid 2 1/2 years ago and 
> there's an open box special for $112.  Doubt you can touch a decent 
> smartphone for less than $600.  Not sure how you hook up a credit card 
> swiper to it however.
> 
> http://www.microcenter.com/product/428596/Galaxy_Tab_3_70_Lite_Tablet_-
> _Black

if it has a headphone jack with the 4 pins, it will work fine. I've used 
square on a full sized galaxy tab 3 something tablet.

> I have no need for data if I'm out and about and I'm amazed at all the 
> Facebook or Twitter addicts staring at their screens like zombies.  If 
> religion is considered an opiate for the masses, smart phones and data 
> plans are chasing-the-dragon heroin.  

I just use mine for email, and sometimes to locate the nearest divvy 
station. Using the browser to look stuff up is a given too.

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#3156

Cydrome Leader <presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:
> Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:
>> I have no need for data if I'm out and about and I'm amazed at all the 
>> Facebook or Twitter addicts staring at their screens like zombies.  If 
>> religion is considered an opiate for the masses, smart phones and data 
>> plans are chasing-the-dragon heroin.  
>
> I just use mine for email, and sometimes to locate the nearest divvy 
> station. Using the browser to look stuff up is a given too.

having google maps in a strange city makes life much easier, especially with
transit directions

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#3157

Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:

> having google maps in a strange city makes life much easier, especially with
> transit directions


No shit.

Last weekend me and Melissa went to Washington D.C., and what a cluster fuck
of angle streets, circular, NW, SW, many just dead end or turn into one
ways.

Was easy getting around looking at the dots on the phone.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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#3158

Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:
> Geoff Gass <glg@tanzenmb.com> wrote:
>> having google maps in a strange city makes life much easier, especially with
>> transit directions
>
> No shit.
>
> Last weekend me and Melissa went to Washington D.C., and what a cluster fuck
> of angle streets, circular, NW, SW, many just dead end or turn into one
> ways.
>
> Was easy getting around looking at the dots on the phone.

take all that, make it much larger and have streets change names every 3
blocks and you have London.  It was nice to be able to put in where I wanted
to go and have gmaps tell me that instead of taking 2 tube lines and not
getting all that close to my destination (what I would have done without
gmaps), instead I could walk a block and get a bus that'd take me within a
block of my destination.

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#3160

In article bje@ripco.com says...
> Was easy getting around looking at the dots on the phone.

Takes all the fun out of getting lost in a strange town and being forced 
to interact with its natives by asking for directions.

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#3161

Mark Anderson <mea@nospambradnylion.com> wrote:

> Takes all the fun out of getting lost in a strange town and being forced 
> to interact with its natives by asking for directions.

Yeah if the natives know jack shit.

I mean even with me, if I'm like at Montrose and Pulaski and some guy pulls
up asking for directions to the Merchandise Mart, besides like pointing to
the direction of the Kennedy and saying, go east towards downtown, I
couldn't offer anything more after that.

Even last week in D.C., we knew we were only a couple blocks from their
Metro (similar to the El here), and asked the bell person how to go
somewhere, he said to take the blue line, which ended up going the long way
around. The yellow would of got us to where we wanted to go in 3 stops
instead of the 8 or 9 it did take.

10 years ago wandering around staring at your phone would of pegged you a
psycho, these days everyone does so either following the gps or looking at
your music list, who cares, it's great to have.

-bruce
bje@ripco.com

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#3163

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in <mn8rm8$co9$5@news.albasani.net>:

| Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:

| >I mean even with me, if I'm like at Montrose and Pulaski and some guy pulls
| >up asking for directions to the Merchandise Mart, besides like pointing to
| >the direction of the Kennedy and saying, go east towards downtown, I
| >couldn't offer anything more after that. . . . 

| Board the Blue Line at Montrose,

Montrose?

Irving Park/Pulaski is the same walk and you get more time to catch the
train.

-- 
David W. Tamkin

The reply address is bluelighted until 0500 UTC on 12Jul2015.

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#3164

DWT <16621.n43lpptnq@dattier.users.panix.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in <mn8rm8$co9$5@news.albasani.net>:
>>Bruce Esquibel <bje@ripco.com> wrote:

>>>I mean even with me, if I'm like at Montrose and Pulaski and some guy pulls
>>>up asking for directions to the Merchandise Mart, besides like pointing to
>>>the direction of the Kennedy and saying, go east towards downtown, I
>>>couldn't offer anything more after that. . . . 

>>Board the Blue Line at Montrose,

>Montrose?

>Irving Park/Pulaski is the same walk and you get more time to catch the
>train.

Fine. It's six blocks to Montrose/Kennedy, five blocks to Irving/Kennedy.

Point is I expect Bruce to come up with decent directions.

If driving, get off at Ohio, but hope the guy has directions to the
docks under the Mart as I don't know how to get down there.

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