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  Carbon Tax --> public transit David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> - 2024-03-21 16:03 -0230
    Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> - 2024-03-21 16:25 -0230
      Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> - 2024-03-21 20:10 +0000
        Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> - 2024-03-21 23:27 -0230
          Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> - 2024-03-23 09:29 +0000
          Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball> - 2024-04-09 11:26 -0600
            plonk. Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit The Bjornsdottirs - Lightning <zerda@umbrellix.net> - 2024-04-10 05:39 +0000
      Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball> - 2024-04-09 11:27 -0600
    Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> - 2024-03-21 17:04 -0400
      Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> - 2024-03-21 23:22 -0230
        Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> - 2024-03-21 23:02 -0400
          Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> - 2024-03-22 01:33 -0230
            Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> - 2024-03-23 09:36 +0000
            Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball> - 2024-04-09 11:25 -0600
          Two Daves bickering about public transport in bc.general. A Bjornsdottir tries to sort them out. Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit The Bjornsdottirs - Reinhilde <zerda@umbrellix.net> - 2024-03-22 09:15 +0000
            Re: Two Daves bickering about public transport in bc.general. A Bjornsdottir tries to sort them out. Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> - 2024-03-22 21:08 -0230
          Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball> - 2024-04-09 11:26 -0600
        Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball> - 2024-04-09 11:26 -0600
      Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball> - 2024-04-09 11:27 -0600
    Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball> - 2024-04-09 11:27 -0600

#4234 — Carbon Tax --> public transit

Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
transit nationally, including in rural areas.

For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
many of them resort to hitchhiking.

On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

But of course there could also be an improvement in public
transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
before the next election.

-- 
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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#4235

On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
(in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>):

> Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
> Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
> transit nationally, including in rural areas.
>
> For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
> in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
> os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
> many of them resort to hitchhiking.
>
> On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
> a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
> Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
> Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
> travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
> going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.
>
> But of course there could also be an improvement in public
> transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.
>
> And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
> initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
> before the next election.

And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.

-- 
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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#4236

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:25:16 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

> On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
> (in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>):
> 
>> Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
>> Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
>> transit nationally, including in rural areas.
>>
>> For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
>> in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
>> os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
>> many of them resort to hitchhiking.
>>
>> On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
>> a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
>> Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
>> Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
>> travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
>> going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.
>>
>> But of course there could also be an improvement in public
>> transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.
>>
>> And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
>> initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
>> before the next election.
> 
> And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
> is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
> rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.

Location, location, location, Dave.  Electrics only really
make any sense in dense urban environments, where they really
do rock ;-)

Dhu


-- 
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.  
 C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-) 
 Duncan Patton a Campbell

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#4239

On Mar 21, 2024, Dhu on Gate wrote
(in article <uti488$1o4po$5@dont-email.me>):

> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:25:16 -0230, David Dalton wrote:
>
> > On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
> > (in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>)
> > :
> >
> > > Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
> > > Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
> > > transit nationally, including in rural areas.
> > >
> > > For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
> > > in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
> > > os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
> > > many of them resort to hitchhiking.
> > >
> > > On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
> > > a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
> > > Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
> > > Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
> > > travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
> > > going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.
> > >
> > > But of course there could also be an improvement in public
> > > transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.
> > >
> > > And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
> > > initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
> > > before the next election.
> >
> > And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
> > is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
> > rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.
>
> Location, location, location, Dave. Electrics only really
> make any sense in dense urban environments, where they really
> do rock ;-)
>
> Dhu

Perhaps hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would have a longer
range and better performance in low temperatures.

And in the long term I envisage a hyperloop backbone,
perhaps partly funded by Elon Musk.

-- 
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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#4244

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:27:54 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

> On Mar 21, 2024, Dhu on Gate wrote
> (in article <uti488$1o4po$5@dont-email.me>):
> 
>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:25:16 -0230, David Dalton wrote:
>>
>> > On Mar 21, 2024, David Dalton wrote
>> > (in article<0001HW.2BACB51200010E34700000C6A38F@news.eternal-september.org>)
>> > :
>> >
>> > > Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
>> > > Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
>> > > transit nationally, including in rural areas.
>> > >
>> > > For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
>> > > in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
>> > > os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
>> > > many of them resort to hitchhiking.
>> > >
>> > > On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
>> > > a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
>> > > Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
>> > > Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
>> > > travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
>> > > going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.
>> > >
>> > > But of course there could also be an improvement in public
>> > > transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.
>> > >
>> > > And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
>> > > initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
>> > > before the next election.
>> >
>> > And indeed, the planned transition to electric vehicles
>> > is not practical; instead (or as well) there must be a
>> > rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.
>>
>> Location, location, location, Dave. Electrics only really
>> make any sense in dense urban environments, where they really
>> do rock ;-)
>>
>> Dhu
> 
> Perhaps hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would have a longer
> range and better performance in low temperatures.

The only problem with using carbo-hydrates (e.g. Kerosene) is the 
use of fossil carbs.  Otherwise, being as most of the biology 
of our planet is carbohydrates, it's possible to make and use 
carbo fuels that won't poison the planet's plants and animals.  

Until someone shows me a *functioning* Fusion Reactor, they're 
gonna be burning COAL in China and India to make electricity
AND Hydrogen. 

Germany too: they're back to burnin' brown coal 'cause they've
shut down their nukes and don't have access to the Russian
gas they'd hoped to replace them with. 

Dhu


> 
> And in the long term I envisage a hyperloop backbone,
> perhaps partly funded by Elon Musk.





-- 
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.  
 C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-) 
 Duncan Patton a Campbell

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#4248

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:27:54 -0230
David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

> Perhaps hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would have a longer
> range and better performance in low temperatures.
 
Nope.

Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
because:

https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

No, Canada!

The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime. 

Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that. 

The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
Justice Minister Arif Virani.

Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested. 

Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue. 

In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada. 

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#4253 — plonk. Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit

Cites NYpost. Supercrossposts. Yawn.

A pearl of wisdom I found on the pleroma network, grace de 
silverstar@rawr.sillydragon.ca: "If your community harbors known neo Nazi 
sympathizers who are recruiting from your people, ban them. Don't wait for 
JAQ-offs and rules lawyers to cross the lines you've set in stone. They're 
more experienced at being slippery shysters than you are at being ban-
happy, and they'll happily dance around you all day long, because they 
know you won't act. You're the buffet, and they won't shit where they eat, 
until they're ready to move on to the next buffet."

Usenet admins wonder why Usenet is dead.

As of Tue, 9 Apr 2024 11:26:27 -0600, in message
20240409112627.05c04429@234567aaa, Phil Hendry's Chop shop <jon@than.ball>
wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:27:54 -0230 David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps hydrogen fuel cell vehicles would have a longer range and
>> better performance in low temperatures.
>  
> Nope.
> 
> Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
> because:
> 
[clipped for time]

-- 
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United for Justice - <https://spufj.trd.is./>

Some people don't like multiline signatures. I kindly request that they 
keep their concerns in their own brains. Usenet isn't what it used to be. 
The servers are more powerful, have more storage, and have faster uplinks 
in even the worst cases. Long sigs can't hurt you anymore.

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#4251

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:25:16 -0230
David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

> there must be a
> rapid evolution of private cars to public transit.

Shaddup commie turd.

Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
because:

https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

No, Canada!

The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime. 

Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that. 

The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
Justice Minister Arif Virani.

Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested. 

Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue. 

In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada. 

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#4237

On 2024-03-21 2:33 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
> Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
> Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
> transit nationally, including in rural areas.
> 

That's an excellent idea and was likely the real intention of the Carbon 
TAX, because that's what it is, a tax. There was never anything in there 
to actually do anything other than to hit us up for more money. They 
claim is is revenue neutral because they send rebates.  I do get a 
rebate cheque once in a while. I got my natural gas bill yesterday and 
the carbon tax is $58. Then there is HST on top of that, so another $8 
tax on the tax for a total of $66 extra on me bill because of the carbon 
tax.  That's more than my rebate, and that doesn't include the carbon 
tax I pay on the gasoline for my car.  It's tax.




> For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
> in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
> os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
> many of them resort to hitchhiking.

If they had been taking the bus instead of hitch hiking for free rides 
there might have been enough business to keep the buses running.  They 
could just as easily have stuck to the old economic regulatory controls 
on buses.  Licensing used to me strictly controlled and any company that 
wanted the gravy runs had to take on some of the loser routes. Besides, 
it is only speculation that those women went missing on the highway. 
There is a good chance they were killed by someone in their own community.

> 
> On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
> a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
> Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
> Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
> travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
> going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.

How is someone expected to make enough money to keep buses running 
reliably and safely when they can only hope to  carry a few students 
home for the weekend?

> 
> But of course there could also be an improvement in public
> transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I pay 
more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in the 
cities?  Let them pay for their own transit.

> 
> And I think the NDP would support the LIberals in such an
> initiative, maybe even to the extent of forming a coalition
> before the next election.


Let's see if the NDP will have the balls to make it a real carbon tax by 
cutting the rebates. If the theory behind the Carbon Tax is to make 
polluters pay then make then actually pay instead of allowing the 
Liberals to buy more votes by pretending to charge them and then sending 
a cheque from the government once in a while to make them think they are 
getting something for free.

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#4238

On Mar 21, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
(in article <oh1LN.140600$hN14.83461@fx17.iad>):

> On 2024-03-21 2:33 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
> > Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
> > Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
> > transit nationally, including in rural areas.
>
> That's an excellent idea and was likely the real intention of the Carbon
> TAX, because that's what it is, a tax. There was never anything in there
> to actually do anything other than to hit us up for more money. They
> claim is is revenue neutral because they send rebates. I do get a
> rebate cheque once in a while. I got my natural gas bill yesterday and
> the carbon tax is $58. Then there is HST on top of that, so another $8
> tax on the tax for a total of $66 extra on me bill because of the carbon
> tax. That's more than my rebate, and that doesn't include the carbon
> tax I pay on the gasoline for my car. It's tax.
>
> > For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
> > in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
> > os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
> > many of them resort to hitchhiking.
>
> If they had been taking the bus instead of hitch hiking for free rides
> there might have been enough business to keep the buses running. They
> could just as easily have stuck to the old economic regulatory controls
> on buses. Licensing used to me strictly controlled and any company that
> wanted the gravy runs had to take on some of the loser routes. Besides,
> it is only speculation that those women went missing on the highway.
> There is a good chance they were killed by someone in their own community.
>
> >
> > On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
> > a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
> > Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
> > Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
> > travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
> > going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.
>
> How is someone expected to make enough money to keep buses running
> reliably and safely when they can only hope to carry a few students
> home for the weekend?

As I said above, it was also used by seniors and others travelling
for medical appointments and shopping during the week. And
I am advocating for it to be subsidized by revenue from the
Carbon Tax/

>
> > But of course there could also be an improvement in public
> > transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.
>
> I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I pay
> more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in the
> cities? Let them pay for their own transit.

As I said in my original post, I am advocating for the
creation of public transit in rural areas.

-- 
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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#4240

On 2024-03-21 9:52 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
> On Mar 21, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
> (in article <oh1LN.140600$hN14.83461@fx17.iad>):
> 
>> On 2024-03-21 2:33 p.m., David Dalton wrote:
>>> Instead of the federal government giving back much of the Carbon
>>> Tax in rebates, they should direct the money to improving public
>>> transit nationally, including in rural areas.
>>
>> That's an excellent idea and was likely the real intention of the Carbon
>> TAX, because that's what it is, a tax. There was never anything in there
>> to actually do anything other than to hit us up for more money. They
>> claim is is revenue neutral because they send rebates. I do get a
>> rebate cheque once in a while. I got my natural gas bill yesterday and
>> the carbon tax is $58. Then there is HST on top of that, so another $8
>> tax on the tax for a total of $66 extra on me bill because of the carbon
>> tax. That's more than my rebate, and that doesn't include the carbon
>> tax I pay on the gasoline for my car. It's tax.
>>
>>> For example, in recent years there has been a loss of Greyhound
>>> in Western Canada, and that contributes to the ongoing crisis
>>> os missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, since
>>> many of them resort to hitchhiking.
>>
>> If they had been taking the bus instead of hitch hiking for free rides
>> there might have been enough business to keep the buses running. They
>> could just as easily have stuck to the old economic regulatory controls
>> on buses. Licensing used to me strictly controlled and any company that
>> wanted the gravy runs had to take on some of the loser routes. Besides,
>> it is only speculation that those women went missing on the highway.
>> There is a good chance they were killed by someone in their own community.
>>
>>>
>>> On a local (Newfoundland) basis, several years ago there was
>>> a loss of Fleetline bus, which used to operate on the coastal
>>> Conception Bay Highway between St. John’s and Conception
>>> Bay North, and which was a valuable service fo students
>>> travelling home for the weekend and for seniors and others
>>> going into the city for medical appointments or shopping.
>>
>> How is someone expected to make enough money to keep buses running
>> reliably and safely when they can only hope to carry a few students
>> home for the weekend?
> 
> As I said above, it was also used by seniors and others travelling
> for medical appointments and shopping during the week. And
> I am advocating for it to be subsidized by revenue from the
> Carbon Tax/

Sure... tax the hell out of everyone so that they can't afford to do 
things themselves. People  travelling to medical appointments don't want 
to have to rely on public transit. Someone coming home from treatment 
doesn't want to be standing around waiting for a bus, get jostled around 
and then have to walk to their homes from the bus stop.

> 
>>
>>> But of course there could also be an improvement in public
>>> transit in urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.
>>
>> I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I pay
>> more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in the
>> cities? Let them pay for their own transit.
> 
> As I said in my original post, I am advocating for the
> creation of public transit in rural areas.
> 

Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.

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#4241

On Mar 22, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
(in article <dx6LN.648341$xHn7.48754@fx14.iad>):

> Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.

It will work if there are sufficient incentives for it and also
increased usage, and disincentives against using private
cars, especially gasoline-powered ones.

-- 
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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#4245

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:33:58 -0230, David Dalton wrote:

> On Mar 22, 2024, Dave Smith wrote
> (in article <dx6LN.648341$xHn7.48754@fx14.iad>):
> 
>> Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.
> 
> It will work if there are sufficient incentives for it and also
> increased usage, and disincentives against using private
> cars, especially gasoline-powered ones.

We already have solar-powered transport.  They're called horses.  
In fact you could almost make a case for them being multi-fueled 
vehicles.  But they don't run any better on Hydrogen or Plutonium
than people do.  

Dhu


-- 
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.  
 C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-) 
 Duncan Patton a Campbell

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#4246

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 01:33:58 -0230
David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

> It will work if there are sufficient incentives for it and also
> increased usage, and disincentives against using private
> cars, especially gasoline-powered ones.

Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
because:

https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

No, Canada!

The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime. 

Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that. 

The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
Justice Minister Arif Virani.

Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested. 

Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue. 

In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada. 

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#4242 — Two Daves bickering about public transport in bc.general. A Bjornsdottir tries to sort them out. Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit

As of Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:02:34 -0400, in message
dx6LN.648341$xHn7.48754@fx14.iad, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>
drooled:

> Sure... tax the hell out of everyone so that they can't afford to do
> things themselves. People  travelling to medical appointments don't want
> to have to rely on public transit. Someone coming home from treatment
> doesn't want to be standing around waiting for a bus, get jostled around
> and then have to walk to their homes from the bus stop.

Why not? Because PT is shit? Then the public policy should be to make PT 
better, and also put ebike and powerchair charging at every bus stop (to 
which feed a bus ticket for up to a kWh of juice). Don't put people in the 
position of having to walk, or drive a 4 ton soot-belching death trap, 
when they're vulnerable, such as after a medical appointment.

the ever august Dalton wrote:
>>>> But of course there could also be an improvement in public transit in
>>>> urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

Smith responded thus:
>>> I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I
>>> pay more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in
>>> the cities? Let them pay for their own transit.

You benefit from people in the cities being able to get to the rural areas 
to buy your shit from your farmstand directly without needing to drive, 
proceeds all to you net of production expenses, GST, PST and climate 
action tax rather than from some marked up weaselhead in the city who 
brings their belching diesel truck there and back.

Also, if the tracks run through your village, should you not want to be 
able to board the train, swipe your CC for an underpriced fare, and get to 
town, without the stress of highway driving?

Dalton:
>> 
>> As I said in my original post, I am advocating for the creation of
>> public transit in rural areas.
>> 
>> 
Smith:
> Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.

Can you explain what you mean by "didn't work"? Profitability? Because 
transit systems in settlements urban and rural aren't supposed to be 
profitable until you get to Hong Kong scale, with dedicated track and 3rd-
rail and ridership similar to the entire airline industry. They're 
supposed to be bleeding on the ledger. The price society as a whole pays 
to not be in a real life Mad Max. The deficit is made up by reductions in 
the costs of things like lost productivity for communities when working 
people get abducted because they hitch-hiked, family grief when nonworkers 
get abducted, police time and effort on investigating abductions in 
difficult terrain (I will reserve my counsel on what I think of policing, 
but in this case I think they truly intend to do more good than harm), 
etc. If I could board a bus or the train to the next town, I'd do it, but 
as it is, I am (barely) able to maintain a car and I have to take the 
stress of driving. You have no idea how difficult it is to stay awake and 
3x oriented when you're moving at 80km/h (you aren't going the full 100 if 
you value your safety, especially on some of the more ... typical rural 
Canadian highways) down a winding highway. If one person is trained and 
paid to take that strain for 45 people (which is what the bus and the 
train does), that means those 45 people don't have to worry about that. 
And that driver doesn't experience 46x the strain. It's more like 1.5 to 
2x, because the bus is bigger, with a higher centre of gravity, but is 
still bound by the same laws of physics as your small car.

-- 
Reinhilde Bjornsdottir <zerda@umbrellix.net> - Member Switchposters United 
for Justice - <https://spufj.trd.is./>

Some people don't like multiline signatures. I kindly request that they 
keep their concerns in their own brains. Usenet isn't what it used to be. 
The servers are more powerful, have more storage, and have faster uplinks 
in even the worst cases. Long sigs can't hurt you anymore.

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#4243 — Re: Two Daves bickering about public transport in bc.general. A Bjornsdottir tries to sort them out. Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit

Also, I am a non-driver, and don’t like my taxes going towards
roads for cars which should have been phased out decades ago.

-- 
David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
“And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand" (Ferron)

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#4247

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:02:34 -0400
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Sure... tax the hell out of everyone so that they can't afford to do 
> things themselves.
Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
because:

https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

No, Canada!

The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime. 

Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that. 

The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
Justice Minister Arif Virani.

Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested. 

Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue. 

In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada. 

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#4249

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:22:03 -0230
David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

> I am advocating for it to be subsidized by revenue from the
> Carbon Tax/

YOU are a fucking MORON!

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#4250

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:04:20 -0400
Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Let's see if the NDP will have the balls to make it a real carbon tax
> by cutting the rebates.
Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
because:

https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

No, Canada!

The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime. 

Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that. 

The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
Justice Minister Arif Virani.

Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested. 

Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue. 

In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada. 

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#4252

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:03:54 -0230
David Dalton <dalton@nfld.com> wrote:

> And I think the NDP would support the LIberals
Meanwhile most Canucks are terrified to speak in public any more
because:

https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/opinion/canada-wants-to-put-you-in-prison-before-you-commit-a-thoughtcrime/

No, Canada!

The country that brought you debanking protesters and government-assisted suicide for the poor now wants to criminalize speech to lock up people for life and to put wrongthinkers under house arrest if the state sees a chance they will commit a crime. 

Doesn’t get more Orwellian than that. 

The chillingly titled Online Harms Act was introduced in February by
Justice Minister Arif Virani.

Pissed at your girlfriend? Tell the government she’s likely to commit a hate crime and have her house-arrested. 

Worse, one provision in the bill would “increase the maximum penalty specifically for advocating genocide from 5 years to life imprisonment.”

We’re sure a law that criminalizes “advocating for genocide” could never be twisted to criminalize support for Israel.

The pro-Hamas left will have a field day.

The law would saddle social media companies that refuse to bend the knee with insane fines reaching up to 6% of global revenue. 

In short, it would be the end of free expression in Canada. 

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