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Two Daves bickering about public transport in bc.general. A Bjornsdottir tries to sort them out. Re: Carbon Tax --> public transit

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As of Thu, 21 Mar 2024 23:02:34 -0400, in message
dx6LN.648341$xHn7.48754@fx14.iad, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca>
drooled:

> Sure... tax the hell out of everyone so that they can't afford to do
> things themselves. People  travelling to medical appointments don't want
> to have to rely on public transit. Someone coming home from treatment
> doesn't want to be standing around waiting for a bus, get jostled around
> and then have to walk to their homes from the bus stop.

Why not? Because PT is shit? Then the public policy should be to make PT 
better, and also put ebike and powerchair charging at every bus stop (to 
which feed a bus ticket for up to a kWh of juice). Don't put people in the 
position of having to walk, or drive a 4 ton soot-belching death trap, 
when they're vulnerable, such as after a medical appointment.

the ever august Dalton wrote:
>>>> But of course there could also be an improvement in public transit in
>>>> urban (including small cities) and suburban areas.

Smith responded thus:
>>> I live in a rural area and there is no public transit. Why should I
>>> pay more than $100 a month in carbon tax to subsidize mass transit in
>>> the cities? Let them pay for their own transit.

You benefit from people in the cities being able to get to the rural areas 
to buy your shit from your farmstand directly without needing to drive, 
proceeds all to you net of production expenses, GST, PST and climate 
action tax rather than from some marked up weaselhead in the city who 
brings their belching diesel truck there and back.

Also, if the tracks run through your village, should you not want to be 
able to board the train, swipe your CC for an underpriced fare, and get to 
town, without the stress of highway driving?

Dalton:
>> 
>> As I said in my original post, I am advocating for the creation of
>> public transit in rural areas.
>> 
>> 
Smith:
> Most rural areas have experimented with public transit. It didn't work.

Can you explain what you mean by "didn't work"? Profitability? Because 
transit systems in settlements urban and rural aren't supposed to be 
profitable until you get to Hong Kong scale, with dedicated track and 3rd-
rail and ridership similar to the entire airline industry. They're 
supposed to be bleeding on the ledger. The price society as a whole pays 
to not be in a real life Mad Max. The deficit is made up by reductions in 
the costs of things like lost productivity for communities when working 
people get abducted because they hitch-hiked, family grief when nonworkers 
get abducted, police time and effort on investigating abductions in 
difficult terrain (I will reserve my counsel on what I think of policing, 
but in this case I think they truly intend to do more good than harm), 
etc. If I could board a bus or the train to the next town, I'd do it, but 
as it is, I am (barely) able to maintain a car and I have to take the 
stress of driving. You have no idea how difficult it is to stay awake and 
3x oriented when you're moving at 80km/h (you aren't going the full 100 if 
you value your safety, especially on some of the more ... typical rural 
Canadian highways) down a winding highway. If one person is trained and 
paid to take that strain for 45 people (which is what the bus and the 
train does), that means those 45 people don't have to worry about that. 
And that driver doesn't experience 46x the strain. It's more like 1.5 to 
2x, because the bus is bigger, with a higher centre of gravity, but is 
still bound by the same laws of physics as your small car.

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Reinhilde Bjornsdottir <zerda@umbrellix.net> - Member Switchposters United 
for Justice - <https://spufj.trd.is./>

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