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  Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-26 17:03 +1000
    Re: Jaycar. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-05-26 18:51 +1000
      Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-27 05:01 +1000
        Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 08:27 +1000
        Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-27 11:49 +1000
        Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-05-27 13:23 +0800
          Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-27 16:30 +1000
            Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 21:19 +1000
              Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-28 16:05 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 04:54 +1000
                  Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 06:52 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 07:31 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 07:56 +1000
                        Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 15:28 -0700
                        Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 08:28 +1000
                        Re: Jaycar. "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2022-05-29 15:30 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 11:29 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 18:33 -0700
                        Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 15:48 +1000
                          Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 00:12 -0700
                            Re: Jaycar. Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2022-05-29 17:26 +1000
                              Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 02:07 -0700
                      Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 16:10 +1000
                        Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 19:28 +1000
                          Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-30 07:05 +1000
                  Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-29 21:12 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-30 19:33 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 19:49 +1000
                    Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 19:44 +1000
                      Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-31 19:15 +1000
            Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 16:15 -0700
            Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-05-28 09:01 +0800
              Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 18:51 -0700
                Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 00:30 -0700
                  Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-28 18:11 +1000
                  Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-06-24 09:40 +0800
                    Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-06-23 20:03 -0700
      Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 08:25 +1000

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#35510 — Jaycar.

It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers are 
looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

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#35511

On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers are 
> looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, the 
way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

Sylvia.

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#35512

On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers 
>> are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
> 
> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, the 
> way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.
> 
> Sylvia.

**You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic 
components?

Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.

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#35514

Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote
> Sylvia Else wrote
>> keithr0 wrote

>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers  
>>> are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.

>>  Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,  
>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.

> You mean the market for over-priced junk

Quite a bit of their stuff isn't junk. Sure, it is higher priced that
 from aliexpress etc, but handy if you need something quickly.

> and counterfeit electronic  components?

> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.

More of your mindless bullshit.

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#35515

On 27/05/2022 5:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers 
>>> are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>
>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, 
>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic 
> components?
> 
> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
> 
> 
I get most of my stuff from china, but, if I need something now, I'll go 
to Jaycar because it's 20 minutes away. I'd rather go to Altronics, but 
that's half way to Brisbane ans at leas 45 minutes drive.

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#35516

On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers 
>>> are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>
>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, 
>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic 
> components?
> 

Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC) 
starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
> 
> 

Rubbish.

Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something and it 
doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and are 
happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders and 
not charge additional freight.

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#35517

On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers 
>>>> are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>
>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, 
>>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the process.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic 
>> components?
>>
> 
> Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC) 
> starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?

**Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components 
that do not meet their published specs. Notably, they were caught 
selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that didn't come close to the 
manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were caught out. Jaycar were 
kind enough to refund their purchase price, but not the time spent 
fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates got caught out, 
when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours 
chasing his tail.

> 
>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
>>
>>
> 
> Rubbish.
> 
> Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something and it 
> doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

**Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up 
again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and 
if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy from them. 
However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from 
an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are from 
WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either. I was 
caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.

> 
> We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and are 
> happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders and 
> not charge additional freight.
> 

**Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up. I do.

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#35518

On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and Wesfarmers  
>>>>> are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>
>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,  
>>>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the  
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit electronic  
>>> components?
>>>
>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)  
>> starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?
>
> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components  
> that do not meet their published specs.

So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that  
> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were  
> caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase price, but  
> not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. One of my mates  
> got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar parts.  
> He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
>>>
>>>
>>  Rubbish.
>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something and  
>> it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.

> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up again.  
> Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and if I  
> need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy from them.

So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from  
> an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are from  
> WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either. I was  
> caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.

So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and  
>> are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders  
>> and not charge additional freight.

> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

> I do.

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#35522

On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and 
>>>>>> Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store, 
>>>>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the 
>>>>> process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit 
>>>> electronic components?
>>>>
>>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC) 
>>> starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are there?
>>
>> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components 
>> that do not meet their published specs.
> 
> So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

**I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is 
useful for.

> 
>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that 
>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were 
>> caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase price, 
>> but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. One of my 
>> mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar 
>> parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
> 
> So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

**Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have 
been burned.

> 
>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  Rubbish.
>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something 
>>> and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.
> 
>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up 
>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and 
>> if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy from them.
> 
> So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

**My original what?

> 
>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from 
>> an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are 
>> from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either. 
>> I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.
> 
> So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.

**Duh.

> 
>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and 
>>> are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders 
>>> and not charge additional freight.
> 
>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
> 
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...

**Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their project 
has blown up. They just assume that they've done something stupid, when, 
in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty components 
from Jaycar.

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#35525

On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and  
>>>>>>> Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics store,  
>>>>>> the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market in the  
>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit  
>>>>> electronic components?
>>>>>
>>>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)  
>>>> starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are  
>>>> there?
>>>
>>> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded components  
>>> that do not meet their published specs.

>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

> I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is  
> useful for.

More of your utterly mindless bullshit.

I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
convenient than no internet for a couple of days.

>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that  
>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs were  
>>> caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase price,  
>>> but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. One of my  
>>> mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with dodgy Jaycar  
>>> parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.

>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have  
> been burned.

So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something  
>>>> and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.
>>
>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up  
>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home and  
>>> if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy from  
>>> them.

>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.

> My original what?

Claim/post etc.

>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come from  
>>> an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis are  
>>> from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis either.  
>>> I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.
>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>
> **Duh.
>
>>
>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful and  
>>>> are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock orders  
>>>> and not charge additional freight.
>>
>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>
> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their project  
> has blown up. They just assume that they've done something stupid, when,  
> in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty components  
> from Jaycar.

None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.

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#35526

On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and 
>>>>>>>> Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics 
>>>>>>> store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market 
>>>>>>> in the process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit 
>>>>>> electronic components?
>>>>>>
>>>>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC) 
>>>>> starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are 
>>>>> there?
>>>>
>>>> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded 
>>>> components that do not meet their published specs.
> 
>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
> 
>> I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is 
>> useful for.
> 
> More of your utterly mindless bullshit.
> 
> I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

**My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a 
project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 300ma 
plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they began 
failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% if the 
plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an Australian 
manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date (and it has been 
25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.

A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of 
a few months is simply unforgivable.

> 
> When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
> I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
> the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
> else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
> in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
> convenient than no internet for a couple of days.
> 
>>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that 
>>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs 
>>>> were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase 
>>>> price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. 
>>>> One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with 
>>>> dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
> 
>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
> 
>> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have 
>> been burned.
> 
> So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

**And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have 
already purchased rubbish?

> 
>>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something 
>>>>> and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.
>>>
>>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up 
>>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home 
>>>> and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy 
>>>> from them.
> 
>>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.
> 
>> My original what?
> 
> Claim/post etc.

**My original claim is spot-on. Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish. Their 
products are unreliable and many of their components are below spec 
and/or counterfeit.

> 
>>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come 
>>>> from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis 
>>>> are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis 
>>>> either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are rubbish.
>>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>>
>> **Duh.
>>
>>>
>>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful 
>>>>> and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock 
>>>>> orders and not charge additional freight.
>>>
>>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>>
>> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their project 
>> has blown up. They just assume that they've done something stupid, 
>> when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty 
>> components from Jaycar.
> 
> None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.

**Uh-huh.

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#35527

On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:52:14 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and  
>>>>>>>>> Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics  
>>>>>>>> store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market  
>>>>>>>> in the process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit  
>>>>>>> electronic components?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino (IIRC)  
>>>>>> starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other examples are  
>>>>>> there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded  
>>>>> components that do not meet their published specs.
>>
>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>
>>> I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar is  
>>> useful for.
>>  More of your utterly mindless bullshit.
>>  I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.

> My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a  
> project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 300ma  
> plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they began  
> failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% if the  
> plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an Australian  
> manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date (and it has been  
> 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>
> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of  
> a few months is simply unforgivable.

The one I got is still working fine.

>>  When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
>> I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
>> the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
>> else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
>> in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
>> convenient than no internet for a couple of days.
>>
>>>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that  
>>>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs  
>>>>> were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase  
>>>>> price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times.  
>>>>> One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set with  
>>>>> dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
>>
>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>
>>> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components have  
>>> been burned.

>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.

> And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have  
> already purchased rubbish?

You can get real radical and ask others who have bought stuff from Jaycar.

>>>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for  
>>>>>>> decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need something  
>>>>>> and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient for hobbyists.
>>>>
>>>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up  
>>>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home  
>>>>> and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy  
>>>>> from them.
>>
>>>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.
>>
>>> My original what?
>>  Claim/post etc.

> My original claim is spot-on.

Bullshit it is.

> Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish.

They sell plenty of adequate quality stuff and some find
they need something right now and don't need the week's
delay from another Oz supplier or the months delay with
aliexpress or ebay sellers who use chinese suppliers.

> Their products are unreliable

That's bullshit with plenty of them.

> and many of their components are below spec  and/or counterfeit.

So don't buy those, stupid.

>>>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come  
>>>>> from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese semis  
>>>>> are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit semis  
>>>>> either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros are  
>>>>> rubbish.
>>>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>>>
>>> **Duh.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful  
>>>>>> and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their stock  
>>>>>> orders and not charge additional freight.
>>>>
>>>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>>>
>>> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their project  
>>> has blown up. They just assume that they've done something stupid,  
>>> when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy shitty  
>>> components from Jaycar.

>>  None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.

> Uh-huh.

Fraid so.

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#35528

On 29/05/2022 7:31 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:52:14 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and 
>>>>>>>>>> Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics 
>>>>>>>>> store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market 
>>>>>>>>> in the process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit 
>>>>>>>> electronic components?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino 
>>>>>>> (IIRC) starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other 
>>>>>>> examples are there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded 
>>>>>> components that do not meet their published specs.
>>>
>>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>>
>>>> I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar 
>>>> is useful for.
>>>  More of your utterly mindless bullshit.
>>>  I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.
> 
>> My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a 
>> project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 
>> 300ma plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they 
>> began failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% 
>> if the plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an 
>> Australian manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date 
>> (and it has been 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>>
>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period 
>> of a few months is simply unforgivable.
> 
> The one I got is still working fine.

**Your sample experience of ONE is duly noted. MY sample experience was 
SIX HUNDRED. A 10% failure rate within a few months is appalling.

> 
>>>  When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
>>> I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
>>> the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
>>> else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
>>> in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
>>> convenient than no internet for a couple of days.
>>>
>>>>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that 
>>>>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs 
>>>>>> were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase 
>>>>>> price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. 
>>>>>> One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set 
>>>>>> with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
>>>
>>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>>
>>>> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components 
>>>> have been burned.
> 
>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
> 
>> And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have 
>> already purchased rubbish?
> 
> You can get real radical and ask others who have bought stuff from Jaycar.

**At some point, someone has to be the first. Phil Allison was one of, 
if not, the first person to publicise the failings of Jaycar and Dick 
Smith WRT counterfeit parts.

And, here's the thing: We already have a system in place to ensure 
consumers obtain quality parts. It's called ISO9001 accreditation. RS 
Components, ELement14, X-On and others have it. Jaycar doesn't.

> 
>>>>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for 
>>>>>>>> decades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need 
>>>>>>> something and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient 
>>>>>>> for hobbyists.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up 
>>>>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home 
>>>>>> and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy 
>>>>>> from them.
>>>
>>>>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.
>>>
>>>> My original what?
>>>  Claim/post etc.
> 
>> My original claim is spot-on.
> 
> Bullshit it is.

**Not only have I provided examples to prove you wrong, but Jaycar's 
failings are well documented.

> 
>> Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish.
> 
> They sell plenty of adequate quality stuff and some find
> they need something right now and don't need the week's
> delay from another Oz supplier or the months delay with
> aliexpress or ebay sellers who use chinese suppliers.

**How do you know if anything Jaycar sells is adequate? They don't have 
ISO9001 accreditation.

> 
>> Their products are unreliable
> 
> That's bullshit with plenty of them.

**Sure. Their nuts and bolts are OK.

> 
>> and many of their components are below spec  and/or counterfeit.
> 
> So don't buy those, stupid.

**Tell me, in as much detail as you feel necessary, how YOU go about 
ascertaining if a (say) MJ15003 transistor is counterfeit or not.

More importantly: Why should any consumer be forced to carefully check 
every component they buy, before they install it into a project or 
repair job?

> 
>>>>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come 
>>>>>> from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese 
>>>>>> semis are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit 
>>>>>> semis either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros 
>>>>>> are rubbish.
>>>>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>>>>
>>>> **Duh.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful 
>>>>>>> and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their 
>>>>>>> stock orders and not charge additional freight.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>>>>
>>>> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their 
>>>> project has blown up. They just assume that they've done something 
>>>> stupid, when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy 
>>>> shitty components from Jaycar.
> 
>>>  None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.
> 
>> Uh-huh.
> 
> Fraid so.

**Time will tell.

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#35529

 Trevor Wilson wrote:
==================
>
>
> **At some point, someone has to be the first. Phil Allison was one of, 
> if not, the first person to publicise the failings of Jaycar and Dick 
> Smith WRT counterfeit parts. 
> 

** Could only do that when internet forums allowed such publication.  

Before that,  I could not get magazines like EA or Electronics Today to even mention it  -  though worthless, fake  MJ number TO3s were ruining  power amp kits produced to their published designs. 
I remember speaking to Roger Harrison ( ET) and Gary Cratt  ( DSE ) about the issue.
Both had nothing sensible to say. 



> And, here's the thing: We already have a system in place to ensure 
> consumers obtain quality parts. It's called ISO9001 accreditation. RS 
> Components, ELement14, X-On and others have it. Jaycar doesn't.

**  Hold on a mo  !!!
A few years back, Jaycar used to *brag* about being  ISO9001 accredited. 
Huge joke, all they could ever do was record files of which shonky dealers they bought stuff from. 
By chance, I found out one of them was Ellistronics.


> **Tell me, in as much detail as you feel necessary, how YOU go about 
> ascertaining if a (say) MJ15003 transistor is counterfeit or not. 

** There is only one sure way - trace it to the factory that made it. 
    MJ xxxx  numbers are propriety to Motorola or ON Semi and cannot be made by outsiders like 2Nxxxx types. 


> More importantly: Why should any consumer be forced to carefully check 
> every component they buy, before they install it into a project or 
> repair job?

** You mean like they have to with valves ? 
 
 
.....   Phil 

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#35530

On Sun, 29 May 2022 07:56:54 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

> On 29/05/2022 7:31 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:52:14 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson  
>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and  
>>>>>>>>>>> Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics  
>>>>>>>>>> store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market  
>>>>>>>>>> in the process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit  
>>>>>>>>> electronic components?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino  
>>>>>>>> (IIRC) starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other  
>>>>>>>> examples are there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded  
>>>>>>> components that do not meet their published specs.
>>>>
>>>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar  
>>>>> is useful for.
>>>>  More of your utterly mindless bullshit.
>>>>  I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>>>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>>>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>>>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.
>>
>>> My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a  
>>> project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC,  
>>> 300ma plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they  
>>> began failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10%  
>>> if the plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an  
>>> Australian manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date  
>>> (and it has been 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>>>
>>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period  
>>> of a few months is simply unforgivable.
>>  The one I got is still working fine.

> Your sample experience of ONE is duly noted.

There you go again, face down in the mud, as always. It was more than one.

> MY sample experience was SIX HUNDRED. A 10% failure rate within a few  
> months is appalling.

With just ONE model, stupid.

>>>>  When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
>>>> I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
>>>> the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
>>>> else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
>>>> in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
>>>> convenient than no internet for a couple of days.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that  
>>>>>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs  
>>>>>>> were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase  
>>>>>>> price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times.  
>>>>>>> One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set  
>>>>>>> with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
>>>>
>>>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components  
>>>>> have been burned.
>>
>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>
>>> And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have  
>>> already purchased rubbish?

>>  You can get real radical and ask others who have bought stuff from  
>> Jaycar.

> At some point, someone has to be the first.

I am never first with what I buy from Jaycar.

> Phil Allison was one of, if not, the first person to publicise the  
> failings of Jaycar and Dick Smith WRT counterfeit parts.

I don't buy stuff that can be counterfeited from Jaycar.

> And, here's the thing: We already have a system in place to ensure  
> consumers obtain quality parts. It's called ISO9001 accreditation. RS  
> Components, ELement14, X-On and others have it. Jaycar doesn't.

None of those have a walk in in my country town except Jaycar, stupid.

>>>>>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for  
>>>>>>>>> decades.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need  
>>>>>>>> something and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient  
>>>>>>>> for hobbyists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up  
>>>>>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home  
>>>>>>> and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy  
>>>>>>> from them.
>>>>
>>>>>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> My original what?
>>>>  Claim/post etc.
>>
>>> My original claim is spot-on.

>>  Bullshit it is.

> Not only have I provided examples to prove you wrong,

You didn't prove me wrong on walk in access, fuckwit.

> but Jaycar's failings are well documented.

In spades with the lack of any other walk in in my country town, fuckwit.

>>> Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish.
>>  They sell plenty of adequate quality stuff and some find
>> they need something right now and don't need the week's
>> delay from another Oz supplier or the months delay with
>> aliexpress or ebay sellers who use chinese suppliers.

> How do you know if anything Jaycar sells is adequate?

Buy buying it and see if it works and doesn't fail soon, stupid.

> They don't have  ISO9001 accreditation.

But do have walk in access in my town, fuckwit.

>>> Their products are unreliable

>>  That's bullshit with plenty of them.

> Sure. Their nuts and bolts are OK.

Lot more than just their nuts and bolts, you pathetic excuse for a  
bullshit artist.


>>> and many of their components are below spec  and/or counterfeit.

>>  So don't buy those, stupid.

> Tell me, in as much detail as you feel necessary, how YOU go about  
> ascertaining if a (say) MJ15003 transistor is counterfeit or not.

I don't buy those from Jaycar, fuckwit.

> More importantly: Why should any consumer be forced to carefully check  
> every component they buy, before they install it into a project or  
> repair job?

When they need it right now, fuckwit.

>>>>>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come  
>>>>>>> from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese  
>>>>>>> semis are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit  
>>>>>>> semis either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros  
>>>>>>> are rubbish.
>>>>>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Duh.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful  
>>>>>>>> and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their  
>>>>>>>> stock orders and not charge additional freight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>>>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their  
>>>>> project has blown up. They just assume that they've done something  
>>>>> stupid, when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy  
>>>>> shitty components from Jaycar.
>>
>>>>  None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.
>>
>>> Uh-huh.
>>  Fraid so.
>
> **Time will tell.

Time has already told. I haven't bought anything from them since before  
covid, fuckwit.

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#35533

On 29/05/2022 07:56, Trevor Wilson wrote:
[SNIP]
> And, here's the thing: We already have a system in place to ensure 
> consumers obtain quality parts. It's called ISO9001 accreditation. RS 
> Components, ELement14, X-On and others have it. Jaycar doesn't.
> 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but ISO9001 does *not* guarantee quality, 
only that a defined process was followed.

So if the parts that get loaded into the container are rejects from the 
sweepings of the factory floors in Guangzhou, but the *paperwork* says 
the are "titanium-plated watsits", then ISO9001 has been followed.

Doesn't help when your watsit blows up or fails catastrophically.

There was an example of this large-scale failure of process back in the 
1980s in the USA to do with aircraft parts.  There were fatalities, IIRC.

	Cheers,
		Gary	B-)

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#35531

On 29/05/2022 6:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> **My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a 
> project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 300ma 
> plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they began 
> failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% if the 
> plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an Australian 
> manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date (and it has been 
> 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
> 
> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of 
> a few months is simply unforgivable.

Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability? Over a large 
number of components, the failure rate is high early on, then it falls 
to a lower steady level rising again when the component reaches EOL. We 
used to deal in 10s of thousands of hard disks, and the effect was very 
noticeable.

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#35532

Pommy keithr0  lunatic wrote:
===========================
> On 29/05/2022 6:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote: 
> 
> > **My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a 
> > project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 300ma 
> > plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they began 
> > failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% if the 
> > plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an Australian 
> > manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date (and it has been 
> > 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements. 
> > 
> > A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of 
> > a few months is simply unforgivable.
>
> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability?

**  Massive, stupid irrelevance. 

> Over a large  number of components, 

** How many parts are there in an AC plugpak ? 
    The answer is one.

   How long do such items usually last. 
   Answer,  20 years plus. 
  


.....   Phil 

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#35534

On 29/05/2022 11:33 am, Phil Allison wrote:
> Pommy keithr0  lunatic wrote:
> ===========================
>> On 29/05/2022 6:52 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> **My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a
>>> project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 300ma
>>> plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they began
>>> failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% if the
>>> plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an Australian
>>> manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date (and it has been
>>> 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>>>
>>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of
>>> a few months is simply unforgivable.
>>
>> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability?
> 
> **  Massive, stupid irrelevance.

Since you've never worked on anything more complex than a toaster, I 
wouldn't expect you to be able to understand.

>> Over a large  number of components,
> 
> ** How many parts are there in an AC plugpak ?
>      The answer is one.

The plugpack is the component you idiot.

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#35536

 Pommy keithr0 rabid lunatic wrote: 
=============================

>>
> >>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period of 
> >>> a few months is simply unforgivable. 
> >> 
> >> Have you not heard of the "Bathtub" curve of reliability? 
> > 
> > ** Massive, stupid irrelevance.

> Since ....

** Fuck off you bullshitting pommy cunthead. 


> >> Over a large number of components, 
> > 
> > ** How many parts are there in an AC plugpak ? 
> > The answer is one.

> The plugpack is the component you idiot.

**   Wot insane crap. 
 


.......  Phil 

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