Re: Jaycar.

From	Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>
Newsgroups	aus.electronics
Subject	Re: Jaycar.
Date	2022-05-29 07:56 +1000
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On 29/05/2022 7:31 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 29 May 2022 06:52:14 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> On 29/05/2022 4:54 am, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 May 2022 16:05:55 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/05/2022 9:19 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 May 2022 16:30:48 +1000, Trevor Wilson 
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:23 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/05/2022 3:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2022 6:51 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26-May-22 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It has been reported that JB Hi, Super Retail Group, and 
>>>>>>>>>> Wesfarmers are looking to buy Jaycar valued at ~$500M.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then they'll convert it into a standard consumer electronics 
>>>>>>>>> store, the way they did with Dick Smith, and destroy its market 
>>>>>>>>> in the process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **You mean the market for over-priced junk and counterfeit 
>>>>>>>> electronic components?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Counterfeit? Well apart from that dude that did the Arduino 
>>>>>>> (IIRC) starter kit which they blatantly copied, what other 
>>>>>>> examples are there?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaycar are notorious for selling dodgy, Chinese, re-branded 
>>>>>> components that do not meet their published specs.
>>>
>>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>>
>>>> I no longer do. Nuts, bolts, screws, junky toys, etc is all Jaycar 
>>>> is useful for.
>>>  More of your utterly mindless bullshit.
>>>  I had an urgent need for a plugpack when lightning took out
>>> the one that powered the security system at the local Salvos.
>>> I replaced it with one from the local Jaycar because the local
>>> Salvos use theirs to catch shop thieves and it is still working fine.
> 
>> My experience with Jaycar plugpacks is not as stellar. I worked on a 
>> project for a client a few years back and I purchased 600 X 15VAC, 
>> 300ma plug packs from Jaycar. After a few months in the field they 
>> began failing (the absolute maximum current drawn was 100ma). When 10% 
>> if the plugpacks had failed, I sourced new plugpacks from an 
>> Australian manufacturer. These were rated at 16VAC, 100ma. To date 
>> (and it has been 25 years) I've had to supply 3 replacements.
>>
>> A 10% failure rate is appallingly bad. A 10% failure rate in a period 
>> of a few months is simply unforgivable.
> 
> The one I got is still working fine.

**Your sample experience of ONE is duly noted. MY sample experience was 
SIX HUNDRED. A 10% failure rate within a few months is appalling.

> 
>>>  When my FTTN system went out for a day or two without notice
>>> I couldn't put my hand on my wifi dongle so I got another from
>>> the local Jaycar. Price was quite a it higher than from anyone
>>> else but cheaper than from Hardly Normal, the only other source
>>> in my country town. Worked fine and still does and much more
>>> convenient than no internet for a couple of days.
>>>
>>>>>> Notably, they were caught selling MJ15003/MJ15004 transistors that 
>>>>>> didn't come close to the manufacturer's specs. Quite a few techs 
>>>>>> were caught out. Jaycar were kind enough to refund their purchase 
>>>>>> price, but not the time spent fixing the same fault several times. 
>>>>>> One of my mates got caught out, when he was repairing a TV set 
>>>>>> with dodgy Jaycar parts. He lost 4 hours chasing his tail.
>>>
>>>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
>>>
>>>> Here's the thing: Those of us who have purchased such components 
>>>> have been burned.
> 
>>>  So don't buy those components from them. stupid.
> 
>> And, once more: How do people know what not to buy, unless they have 
>> already purchased rubbish?
> 
> You can get real radical and ask others who have bought stuff from Jaycar.

**At some point, someone has to be the first. Phil Allison was one of, 
if not, the first person to publicise the failings of Jaycar and Dick 
Smith WRT counterfeit parts.

And, here's the thing: We already have a system in place to ensure 
consumers obtain quality parts. It's called ISO9001 accreditation. RS 
Components, ELement14, X-On and others have it. Jaycar doesn't.

> 
>>>>>>>> Good riddance. Jaycar has been a blight on the industry for 
>>>>>>>> decades.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Rubbish.
>>>>>>>  Sure, they sell junk but they're also handy if you need 
>>>>>>> something and it doesn't need to be top shelf. Very convenient 
>>>>>>> for hobbyists.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. Hobbyists don't care if something they've repaired blows up 
>>>>>> again. Don't get me wrong: I have a Jaycar 15 minutes from my home 
>>>>>> and if I need something desperately and/or not critical, I'll buy 
>>>>>> from them.
>>>
>>>>>  So your original is just more of your mindless bullshit.
>>>
>>>> My original what?
>>>  Claim/post etc.
> 
>> My original claim is spot-on.
> 
> Bullshit it is.

**Not only have I provided examples to prove you wrong, but Jaycar's 
failings are well documented.

> 
>> Jaycar sell over-priced rubbish.
> 
> They sell plenty of adequate quality stuff and some find
> they need something right now and don't need the week's
> delay from another Oz supplier or the months delay with
> aliexpress or ebay sellers who use chinese suppliers.

**How do you know if anything Jaycar sells is adequate? They don't have 
ISO9001 accreditation.

> 
>> Their products are unreliable
> 
> That's bullshit with plenty of them.

**Sure. Their nuts and bolts are OK.

> 
>> and many of their components are below spec  and/or counterfeit.
> 
> So don't buy those, stupid.

**Tell me, in as much detail as you feel necessary, how YOU go about 
ascertaining if a (say) MJ15003 transistor is counterfeit or not.

More importantly: Why should any consumer be forced to carefully check 
every component they buy, before they install it into a project or 
repair job?

> 
>>>>>> However, all my US/Euro semiconductors and electrolytic caps come 
>>>>>> from an ISO9001 supplier, like Element14, RS or X-On. Japanese 
>>>>>> semis are from WES, which are not immune from selling counterfeit 
>>>>>> semis either. I was caught a couple of time. And their electros 
>>>>>> are rubbish.
>>>>>  So only buy the other stuff from Jaycar, stupid.
>>>>
>>>> **Duh.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We don't have a Jaycar, only an agent but they are very helpful 
>>>>>>> and are happy to get things in from other suppliers on their 
>>>>>>> stock orders and not charge additional freight.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Like I said: Hobbyists don't care if something blows up.
>>>>>  Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something...
>>>>
>>>> Of course hobbyists care. They just don't understand why their 
>>>> project has blown up. They just assume that they've done something 
>>>> stupid, when, in reality, the only stupid thing they did was to buy 
>>>> shitty components from Jaycar.
> 
>>>  None of my purchases from Jaycar have blown up.
> 
>> Uh-huh.
> 
> Fraid so.

**Time will tell.

Thread

Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-26 17:03 +1000
  Re: Jaycar. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-05-26 18:51 +1000
    Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-27 05:01 +1000
      Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 08:27 +1000
      Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-27 11:49 +1000
      Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-05-27 13:23 +0800
        Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-27 16:30 +1000
          Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 21:19 +1000
            Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-28 16:05 +1000
              Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 04:54 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 06:52 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 07:31 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 07:56 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 15:28 -0700
                Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 08:28 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2022-05-29 15:30 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 11:29 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 18:33 -0700
                Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 15:48 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 00:12 -0700
                Re: Jaycar. Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2022-05-29 17:26 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 02:07 -0700
                Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-29 16:10 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2022-05-29 19:28 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-30 07:05 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-29 21:12 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-30 19:33 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 19:49 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 19:44 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2022-05-31 19:15 +1000
          Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 16:15 -0700
          Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-05-28 09:01 +0800
            Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 18:51 -0700
              Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-05-28 00:30 -0700
                Re: Jaycar. Trevor Wilson <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> - 2022-05-28 18:11 +1000
                Re: Jaycar. Clocky <notgonna@happen.com> - 2022-06-24 09:40 +0800
                Re: Jaycar. Phil Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> - 2022-06-23 20:03 -0700
    Re: Jaycar. "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2022-05-27 08:25 +1000

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