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  M$ Copilot Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-10-13 17:28 +1100
    Re: M$ Copilot Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2024-10-14 07:10 +1100
      Re: M$ Copilot Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> - 2024-10-14 13:04 +0800
    Re: M$ Copilot Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-10-14 15:06 +1100
    Re: M$ Copilot Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2024-11-18 17:10 +1100
    Re: M$ Copilot Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2024-11-21 17:19 +1000
      Re: M$ Copilot MightyMouse <"squeak!"@theCheeseFactory.com> - 2024-11-21 19:36 +1100
        Re: M$ Copilot Keithr0 <nothing.to.see@here.com.au> - 2024-11-21 20:32 +1000
          Re: M$ Copilot Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-11-21 23:16 +1100
            Re: M$ Copilot MightyMouse <"squeak!"@theCheeseFactory.com> - 2024-11-21 23:42 +1100
              Re: M$ Copilot Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-11-22 00:23 +1100
                Re: M$ Copilot Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-11-22 15:41 +1100
              Re: M$ Copilot alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-11-22 06:26 +1000
                Re: M$ Copilot Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-11-22 11:24 +1100
            Re: M$ Copilot alvey <Hans.Andnees@gmail.com> - 2024-11-22 06:23 +1000
              Re: M$ Copilot Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> - 2024-11-22 11:22 +1100
                Re: M$ Copilot Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-11-22 15:43 +1100

#71422 — M$ Copilot

been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of everything 
that's been said to it right from when you first used it. you can see 
your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, and you can 
save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud to you, or 
screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you 
guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a 
record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain 
as much info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. 
and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot screen, 
that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of everything 
that's been said!

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Have a nice day!..
stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.

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#71423

On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:28:24 +1100, Mighty Mouse
<"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

>
>been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
>asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
>thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
>about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of everything 
>that's been said to it right from when you first used it. you can see 
>your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, and you can 
>save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud to you, or 
>screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you 
>guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a 
>record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain 
>as much info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. 
>and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot screen, 
>that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of everything 
>that's been said!

All true, no doubt.  But it does have advantages.
1/ Composing poetry and love letters.
2/ Directing to suppliers, and the like.
3/ Condensing and simplifying long verbose texts, such as found in
patents and academic papers. And legal documents.

This last is very valuable.  I haven't tried it on Shakespeare yet,
but he's on my list.

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#71427

Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:28:24 +1100, Mighty Mouse
> <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things.
>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you
>> asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I
>> thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things
>> about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of everything
>> that's been said to it right from when you first used it. you can see
>> your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, and you can
>> save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud to you, or
>> screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you
>> guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a
>> record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain
>> as much info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is.
>> and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot screen,
>> that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of everything
>> that's been said!
> 
> All true, no doubt.  But it does have advantages.
> 1/ Composing poetry and love letters.
> 2/ Directing to suppliers, and the like.
> 3/ Condensing and simplifying long verbose texts, such as found in
> patents and academic papers. And legal documents.
> 
> This last is very valuable.  I haven't tried it on Shakespeare yet,
> but he's on my list.
> 

I asked it about nonadiagonal matrices (which have nine non-zero 
diagonals) and it thought I mean non-diagonal matrix. To be fair Google 
Gemini had the same problem. So AI cannot handle the arcane stuff.

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#71425

Clocky wrote:
> On 13/10/2024 2:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>
>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
>> asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
>> thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
>> about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of 
>> everything that's been said to it right from when you first used it. 
>> you can see your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, 
>> and you can save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud 
>> to you, or screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot 
>> do with it? you guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us 
>> questions, and keeping a record of our interaction with copilot? 
>> could it possibly be to obtain as much info about us as possible and 
>> construct a profile?
>
> Probably and I can imagine that info to be quite valuable to advertisers.

I can see them rubbing their hands together in glee

>
>
>>  I bet it is. and even if we could delete our conversations from the 
>> copilot screen, that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a 
>> record of everything that's been said!
>>
>
> I noticed it installed itseld in an update to Windows 10 and there 
> doesn't seem to be any way to delete it.

yep. the latest update put it in the task bar

>
> I didn't ask for it nor did MS give me an option to install or not. I 
> have no need or desire to interact with it so I should have been given 
> the option. If Linux wasn't such a steaming pile of useless shit I'd 
> be using it instead of Windows.
>
>

I have Linux running on another PC. I just keep hoping that it will 
evolve into a viable alternative to windows. but for now I just have it 
on the secondary PC, to keep au fait with it

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Have a nice day!..
stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.

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#71452

On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:28:24 +1100, Mighty Mouse
<"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> wrote:

>
>been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
>asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
>thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
>about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of everything 
>that's been said to it right from when you first used it. you can see 
>your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, and you can 
>save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud to you, or 
>screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you 
>guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a 
>record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain 
>as much info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. 
>and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot screen, 
>that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of everything 
>that's been said!

I use both Copilot and ChatGPT,  The ChatGPT does not ask questions in
my experience.

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#71453

On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
> 
> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
> asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
> thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
> about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of everything 
> that's been said to it right from when you first used it. you can see 
> your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, and you can 
> save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud to you, or 
> screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you 
> guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a 
> record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain 
> as much info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. 
> and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot screen, 
> that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of everything 
> that's been said!
> 
I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, it 
asked for no personal data, or anything else

explain emergent gravity

Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in theoretical 
physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force but rather an 
emergent phenomenon arising from more basic underlying processes. Here's 
a breakdown:

What is Emergent Gravity?
Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the quantum 
entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's similar to how 
temperature emerges from the collective behavior of countless 
microscopic particles.

Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.

Key Points
Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.

Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is that 
it offers an alternative explanation for the effects attributed to dark 
matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it suggests that 
gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum effects2.

Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and gravity 
are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying microscopic 
phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe the behavior of a 
Bose-Einstein condensate.

Challenges and Controversies
Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong experimental 
support for emergent gravity. The theory is still largely speculative 
and requires more research and testing1.

Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of emergent 
gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided a 
comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like general 
relativity.

Potential Implications
New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, potentially 
eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new insights into the 
nature of spacetime4.

It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think about 
this concept?

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#71454

On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>
>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
>> asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
>> thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
>> about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of everything 
>> that's been said to it right from when you first used it. you can see 
>> your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, and you can 
>> save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud to you, or 
>> screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? 
>> you guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping 
>> a record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to 
>> obtain as much info about us as possible and construct a profile? I 
>> bet it is. and even if we could delete our conversations from the 
>> copilot screen, that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a 
>> record of everything that's been said!
>>
> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, it 
> asked for no personal data, or anything else
> 
> explain emergent gravity
> 
> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in theoretical 
> physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force but rather an 
> emergent phenomenon arising from more basic underlying processes. Here's 
> a breakdown:
> 
> What is Emergent Gravity?
> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the quantum 
> entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's similar to how 
> temperature emerges from the collective behavior of countless 
> microscopic particles.
> 
> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
> 
> Key Points
> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
> 
> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is that 
> it offers an alternative explanation for the effects attributed to dark 
> matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it suggests that 
> gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum effects2.
> 
> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and gravity 
> are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying microscopic 
> phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe the behavior of a 
> Bose-Einstein condensate.
> 
> Challenges and Controversies
> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong experimental 
> support for emergent gravity. The theory is still largely speculative 
> and requires more research and testing1.
> 
> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of emergent 
> gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided a 
> comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like general 
> relativity.
> 
> Potential Implications
> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, potentially 
> eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new insights into the 
> nature of spacetime4.
> 
> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think about 
> this concept?
> 
> 

it asked you a question, dumbass

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Live long and prosper.

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#71455

On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>
>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
>>> asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
>>> thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
>>> about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of 
>>> everything that's been said to it right from when you first used it. 
>>> you can see your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, 
>>> and you can save it, print it, have it translated, have it read aloud 
>>> to you, or screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you cannot 
>>> do with it? you guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us 
>>> questions, and keeping a record of our interaction with copilot? 
>>> could it possibly be to obtain as much info about us as possible and 
>>> construct a profile? I bet it is. and even if we could delete our 
>>> conversations from the copilot screen, that's no guarantee that M$ 
>>> doesn't still have a record of everything that's been said!
>>>
>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, it 
>> asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>
>> explain emergent gravity
>>
>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force 
>> but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic underlying 
>> processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>
>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>> countless microscopic particles.
>>
>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>
>> Key Points
>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
>> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
>> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>
>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is that 
>> it offers an alternative explanation for the effects attributed to 
>> dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it suggests that 
>> gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum effects2.
>>
>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe the 
>> behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>
>> Challenges and Controversies
>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong experimental 
>> support for emergent gravity. The theory is still largely speculative 
>> and requires more research and testing1.
>>
>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of emergent 
>> gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided a 
>> comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>> general relativity.
>>
>> Potential Implications
>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>
>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think about 
>> this concept?
>>
>>
> 
> it asked you a question, dumbass
> 
Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.

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#71456

On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>
>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info you 
>>>> asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a dialogue. I 
>>>> thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to tell it things 
>>>> about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a record of 
>>>> everything that's been said to it right from when you first used it. 
>>>> you can see your entire interaction by scrolling back thru the text, 
>>>> and you can save it, print it, have it translated, have it read 
>>>> aloud to you, or screenshot it. but guess what's the one thing you 
>>>> cannot do with it? you guessed.. delete it! so why is M$ asking us 
>>>> questions, and keeping a record of our interaction with copilot? 
>>>> could it possibly be to obtain as much info about us as possible and 
>>>> construct a profile? I bet it is. and even if we could delete our 
>>>> conversations from the copilot screen, that's no guarantee that M$ 
>>>> doesn't still have a record of everything that's been said!
>>>>
>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, it 
>>> asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>
>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>
>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force 
>>> but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic underlying 
>>> processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>
>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>>> countless microscopic particles.
>>>
>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>>
>>> Key Points
>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
>>> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
>>> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>
>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects attributed 
>>> to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it suggests that 
>>> gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum effects2.
>>>
>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe 
>>> the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>
>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong experimental 
>>> support for emergent gravity. The theory is still largely speculative 
>>> and requires more research and testing1.
>>>
>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of emergent 
>>> gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided a 
>>> comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>>> general relativity.
>>>
>>> Potential Implications
>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>
>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think about 
>>> this concept?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>
> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.

Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The big 
giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".

I'll award the points to Felix here.

-- 
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#71457

On 21/11/24 23:16, Xeno wrote:
> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but guess 
>>>>> what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. delete 
>>>>> it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a record of our 
>>>>> interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain as much 
>>>>> info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. and 
>>>>> even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot screen, 
>>>>> that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of 
>>>>> everything that's been said!
>>>>>
>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, it 
>>>> asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>
>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>
>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force 
>>>> but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic underlying 
>>>> processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>
>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>>>> countless microscopic particles.
>>>>
>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>>>
>>>> Key Points
>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
>>>> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
>>>> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>
>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects attributed 
>>>> to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it suggests that 
>>>> gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum effects2.
>>>>
>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe 
>>>> the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>
>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong experimental 
>>>> support for emergent gravity. The theory is still largely 
>>>> speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>
>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of emergent 
>>>> gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided a 
>>>> comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>>>> general relativity.
>>>>
>>>> Potential Implications
>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>
>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>>>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think 
>>>> about this concept?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>
>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
> 
> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The big 
> giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
> 
> I'll award the points to Felix here.
> 

He's an idiot

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#71458

On 21/11/2024 11:42 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
> On 21/11/24 23:16, Xeno wrote:
>> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but guess 
>>>>>> what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. delete 
>>>>>> it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a record of our 
>>>>>> interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain as much 
>>>>>> info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. 
>>>>>> and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot 
>>>>>> screen, that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of 
>>>>>> everything that's been said!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, 
>>>>> it asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>>
>>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>>
>>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force 
>>>>> but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic 
>>>>> underlying processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>>>>> countless microscopic particles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Key Points
>>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
>>>>> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
>>>>> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects 
>>>>> attributed to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it 
>>>>> suggests that gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum 
>>>>> effects2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe 
>>>>> the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong 
>>>>> experimental support for emergent gravity. The theory is still 
>>>>> largely speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of 
>>>>> emergent gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided 
>>>>> a comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>>>>> general relativity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Potential Implications
>>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>>>>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think 
>>>>> about this concept?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>>
>>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
>>
>> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The 
>> big giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
>>
>> I'll award the points to Felix here.
>>
> 
> He's an idiot
> 
I'd have said desperate - as in desperate to score a point.

The question mark could just as easily have been appended thus; "What do 
you think?" since the remainder of the question just narrows the topic 
down a little more precisely.

-- 
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#71463

Xeno wrote:
> On 21/11/2024 11:42 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>> On 21/11/24 23:16, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but 
>>>>>>> guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. 
>>>>>>> delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a 
>>>>>>> record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to 
>>>>>>> obtain as much info about us as possible and construct a 
>>>>>>> profile? I bet it is. and even if we could delete our 
>>>>>>> conversations from the copilot screen, that's no guarantee that 
>>>>>>> M$ doesn't still have a record of everything that's been said!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, 
>>>>>> it asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental 
>>>>>> force but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic 
>>>>>> underlying processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior 
>>>>>> of countless microscopic particles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a 
>>>>>> system2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Key Points
>>>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge 
>>>>>> from microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the 
>>>>>> statistical behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects 
>>>>>> attributed to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it 
>>>>>> suggests that gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum 
>>>>>> effects2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can 
>>>>>> describe the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong 
>>>>>> experimental support for emergent gravity. The theory is still 
>>>>>> largely speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of 
>>>>>> emergent gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet 
>>>>>> provided a comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing 
>>>>>> theories like general relativity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potential Implications
>>>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate 
>>>>>> and research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you 
>>>>>> think about this concept?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>>>
>>>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
>>>
>>> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The 
>>> big giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
>>>
>>> I'll award the points to Felix here.
>>>
>>
>> He's an idiot
>>
> I'd have said desperate - as in desperate to score a point.

indeed. and he always picks me to try to do it with

>
> The question mark could just as easily have been appended thus; "What 
> do you think?" since the remainder of the question just narrows the 
> topic down a little more precisely.
>

exactly right

-- 
Have a nice day!..
stay sane, be happy, and enjoy living.

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#71460

MightyMouse wrote:
> On 21/11/24 23:16, Xeno wrote:
>> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but guess 
>>>>>> what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. delete 
>>>>>> it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a record of our 
>>>>>> interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain as much 
>>>>>> info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. 
>>>>>> and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot 
>>>>>> screen, that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of 
>>>>>> everything that's been said!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, 
>>>>> it asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>>
>>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>>
>>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force 
>>>>> but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic 
>>>>> underlying processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>>>>> countless microscopic particles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Key Points
>>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
>>>>> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
>>>>> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects 
>>>>> attributed to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it 
>>>>> suggests that gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum 
>>>>> effects2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe 
>>>>> the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong 
>>>>> experimental support for emergent gravity. The theory is still 
>>>>> largely speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of 
>>>>> emergent gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided 
>>>>> a comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>>>>> general relativity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Potential Implications
>>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>>>>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think 
>>>>> about this concept?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>>
>>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
>>
>> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The 
>> big giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
>>
>> I'll award the points to Felix here.
>>
> 
> He's an idiot

When someone declares that, "What do you think about this concept?" 
*isn't* a question, then that's a reasonable conclusion.


alvey
> 

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#71462

On 22/11/2024 7:26 am, alvey wrote:
> MightyMouse wrote:
>> On 21/11/24 23:16, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but 
>>>>>>> guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. 
>>>>>>> delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a record 
>>>>>>> of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain 
>>>>>>> as much info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet 
>>>>>>> it is. and even if we could delete our conversations from the 
>>>>>>> copilot screen, that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a 
>>>>>>> record of everything that's been said!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, 
>>>>>> it asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental 
>>>>>> force but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic 
>>>>>> underlying processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>>>>>> countless microscopic particles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Key Points
>>>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge 
>>>>>> from microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the 
>>>>>> statistical behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects 
>>>>>> attributed to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it 
>>>>>> suggests that gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum 
>>>>>> effects2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe 
>>>>>> the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong 
>>>>>> experimental support for emergent gravity. The theory is still 
>>>>>> largely speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of 
>>>>>> emergent gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided 
>>>>>> a comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>>>>>> general relativity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potential Implications
>>>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>>>>>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think 
>>>>>> about this concept?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>>>
>>>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
>>>
>>> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The 
>>> big giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
>>>
>>> I'll award the points to Felix here.
>>>
>>
>> He's an idiot
> 
> When someone declares that, "What do you think about this concept?" 
> *isn't* a question, then that's a reasonable conclusion.
> 
> 
> alvey
>>
> 
And Keith has the temerity to call himself a Pom.

-- 
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#71459

Xeno wrote:
> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but guess 
>>>>> what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. delete 
>>>>> it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a record of our 
>>>>> interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain as much 
>>>>> info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. and 
>>>>> even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot screen, 
>>>>> that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of 
>>>>> everything that's been said!
>>>>>
>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, it 
>>>> asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>
>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>
>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force 
>>>> but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic underlying 
>>>> processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>
>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>>>> countless microscopic particles.
>>>>
>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>>>
>>>> Key Points
>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
>>>> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
>>>> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>
>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects attributed 
>>>> to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it suggests that 
>>>> gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum effects2.
>>>>
>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe 
>>>> the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>
>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong experimental 
>>>> support for emergent gravity. The theory is still largely 
>>>> speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>
>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of emergent 
>>>> gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided a 
>>>> comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>>>> general relativity.
>>>>
>>>> Potential Implications
>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>
>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>>>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think 
>>>> about this concept?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>
>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
> 
> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The big 
> giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
> 
> I'll award the points to Felix here.

Nahhh. It's a KO. And felix didn't even throw a punch! Richo tripped 
over his ego and face-planted the canvas.


alvey

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#71461

On 22/11/2024 7:23 am, alvey wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but guess 
>>>>>> what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. delete 
>>>>>> it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a record of our 
>>>>>> interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to obtain as much 
>>>>>> info about us as possible and construct a profile? I bet it is. 
>>>>>> and even if we could delete our conversations from the copilot 
>>>>>> screen, that's no guarantee that M$ doesn't still have a record of 
>>>>>> everything that's been said!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, 
>>>>> it asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>>
>>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>>
>>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental force 
>>>>> but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic 
>>>>> underlying processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior of 
>>>>> countless microscopic particles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a system2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Key Points
>>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge from 
>>>>> microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the statistical 
>>>>> behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects 
>>>>> attributed to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it 
>>>>> suggests that gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum 
>>>>> effects2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can describe 
>>>>> the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong 
>>>>> experimental support for emergent gravity. The theory is still 
>>>>> largely speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of 
>>>>> emergent gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet provided 
>>>>> a comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing theories like 
>>>>> general relativity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Potential Implications
>>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate and 
>>>>> research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you think 
>>>>> about this concept?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>>
>>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
>>
>> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The 
>> big giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
>>
>> I'll award the points to Felix here.
> 
> Nahhh. It's a KO. And felix didn't even throw a punch! Richo tripped 
> over his ego and face-planted the canvas.
> 
Ok, so it's 10-0 and Felix is awarded ten points and the match.
> 
> alvey
> 


-- 
Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
       (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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#71464

Xeno wrote:
> On 22/11/2024 7:23 am, alvey wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 21/11/2024 9:32 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 21/11/2024 6:36 pm, MightyMouse wrote:
>>>>> On 21/11/24 18:19, Keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/10/2024 4:28 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been checking out copilot today, and noticed a couple of things. 
>>>>>>> firstly, in any interaction with it, after it gives you the info 
>>>>>>> you asked for, it asks you questions, and wants to start a 
>>>>>>> dialogue. I thought that's a bit strange. why does it want me to 
>>>>>>> tell it things about myself? and secondly.. I noticed it keeps a 
>>>>>>> record of everything that's been said to it right from when you 
>>>>>>> first used it. you can see your entire interaction by scrolling 
>>>>>>> back thru the text, and you can save it, print it, have it 
>>>>>>> translated, have it read aloud to you, or screenshot it. but 
>>>>>>> guess what's the one thing you cannot do with it? you guessed.. 
>>>>>>> delete it! so why is M$ asking us questions, and keeping a 
>>>>>>> record of our interaction with copilot? could it possibly be to 
>>>>>>> obtain as much info about us as possible and construct a 
>>>>>>> profile? I bet it is. and even if we could delete our 
>>>>>>> conversations from the copilot screen, that's no guarantee that 
>>>>>>> M$ doesn't still have a record of everything that's been said!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked co-pilot to explain emergent gravity, this is what I got, 
>>>>>> it asked for no personal data, or anything else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> explain emergent gravity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Emergent gravity is a fascinating and relatively new idea in 
>>>>>> theoretical physics that suggests gravity isn't a fundamental 
>>>>>> force but rather an emergent phenomenon arising from more basic 
>>>>>> underlying processes. Here's a breakdown:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is Emergent Gravity?
>>>>>> Concept: Emergent gravity proposes that gravity emerges from the 
>>>>>> quantum entanglement of small bits of spacetime information. It's 
>>>>>> similar to how temperature emerges from the collective behavior 
>>>>>> of countless microscopic particles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Origin: The idea was first proposed by theoretical physicist Erik 
>>>>>> Verlinde in 2009. He suggested that gravity could be explained by 
>>>>>> changes in entropy, a measure of disorder or randomness in a 
>>>>>> system2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Key Points
>>>>>> Thermodynamic Roots: The theory is rooted in thermodynamics and 
>>>>>> statistical mechanics. Just as temperature and pressure emerge 
>>>>>> from microscopic interactions, gravity might emerge from the 
>>>>>> statistical behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dark Matter: One of the intriguing aspects of emergent gravity is 
>>>>>> that it offers an alternative explanation for the effects 
>>>>>> attributed to dark matter. Instead of invoking unseen matter, it 
>>>>>> suggests that gravitational anomalies could be due to quantum 
>>>>>> effects2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spacetime Curvature: In this framework, spacetime curvature and 
>>>>>> gravity are seen as macroscopic manifestations of underlying 
>>>>>> microscopic phenomena, similar to how fluid mechanics can 
>>>>>> describe the behavior of a Bose-Einstein condensate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Challenges and Controversies
>>>>>> Experimental Evidence: So far, there hasn't been strong 
>>>>>> experimental support for emergent gravity. The theory is still 
>>>>>> largely speculative and requires more research and testing1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debate: The physics community is divided on the validity of 
>>>>>> emergent gravity. While it's a clever idea, it hasn't yet 
>>>>>> provided a comprehensive explanation that supersedes existing 
>>>>>> theories like general relativity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potential Implications
>>>>>> New Understanding: If proven correct, emergent gravity could 
>>>>>> revolutionize our understanding of gravity and the universe, 
>>>>>> potentially eliminating the need for dark matter and offering new 
>>>>>> insights into the nature of spacetime4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a bold and intriguing idea that continues to spark debate 
>>>>>> and research in the field of theoretical physics. What do you 
>>>>>> think about this concept?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it asked you a question, dumbass
>>>>>
>>>> Nope, it asked for an opinion you little twit.
>>>
>>> Still phrased as a question hence postfixed by a question mark. The 
>>> big giveaway were the first 4 words - "What do you think".
>>>
>>> I'll award the points to Felix here.
>>
>> Nahhh. It's a KO. And felix didn't even throw a punch! Richo tripped 
>> over his ego and face-planted the canvas.
>>
> Ok, so it's 10-0 and Felix is awarded ten points and the match.

yes, I win regardless. and it was a very easy win

>>
>> alvey
>>
>
>


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