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  "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-26 09:52 +0700
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-26 19:16 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 20:08 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Max <max@val.morgan> - 2019-03-26 21:16 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 00:01 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-26 21:59 +0800
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 04:04 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 18:49 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 01:08 -0700
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:28 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 01:54 -0700
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 04:56 +1100
                    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:24 -0700
                      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 04:12 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:27 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 20:50 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 04:47 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:21 +0000
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:29 +0000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2019-03-27 10:14 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:14 +1000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-29 09:52 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:30 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:12 +1000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 16:05 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-27 22:14 +0000
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +1000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:15 +0000
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 15:40 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:19 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:42 +1100
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 17:54 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-28 08:43 +0800
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:27 +0000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-29 08:33 +1000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-29 01:32 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:52 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-31 07:48 +0800
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-31 04:57 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:55 +0700
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 07:04 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:49 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-31 22:00 +0000
                  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 13:43 +1100
                    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-04-01 22:07 +0000
                      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-02 10:35 +1100
                        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-04-02 06:55 +0000
                          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-03 15:02 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:43 +1000
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-28 13:10 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 14:49 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:59 +0700
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:38 +0000
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 13:56 +1000

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#65118 — "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent"

The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:

"ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
precedent


Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
speech has been sacrificed by company decision:

    “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
thing to do to block them.”

In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
– that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
free speech.
In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
themselves to enact censorship

Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:

    “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
but one that they all agree is necessary.”

CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
the same sites.
In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
providers

Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
– that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.

    Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
precedent

    — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019


Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
illegal content has been removed.
Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”

The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/

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#65121

On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote:
> 
> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
> 
> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
> precedent
> 
> 
> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
> speech has been sacrificed by company decision:
> 
>      “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
> thing to do to block them.”
> 
> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
> free speech.
> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
> themselves to enact censorship
> 
> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:
> 
>      “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
> but one that they all agree is necessary.”
> 
> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
> the same sites.
> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
> providers
> 
> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.
> 
>      Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
> precedent
> 
>      — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019
> 
> 
> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
> illegal content has been removed.
> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”
> 
> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"
> 
> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
> 

Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.

I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.

Sylvia.

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#65122

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote in message 
news:gfu5f6FequtU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote:
>>
>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>
>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>> precedent
>>
>>
>> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
>> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
>> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
>> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
>> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
>> speech has been sacrificed by company decision:
>>
>>      “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
>> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
>> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
>> thing to do to block them.”
>>
>> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
>> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
>> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
>> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
>> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
>> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
>> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
>> free speech.
>> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
>> themselves to enact censorship
>>
>> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
>> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
>> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
>> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
>> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
>> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
>> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
>> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:
>>
>>      “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
>> but one that they all agree is necessary.”
>>
>> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
>> the same sites.
>> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
>> providers
>>
>> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
>> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
>> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
>> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
>> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
>> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.
>>
>>      Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
>> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
>> precedent
>>
>>      — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019
>>
>>
>> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
>> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
>> illegal content has been removed.
>> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”
>>
>> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
>> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
>> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
>> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
>> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
>> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
>> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"
>>
>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>
>
> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>
> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do that. 
> Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof of why
no  one has ever actually been stupid enough to let you
have any say what so ever on anything to do with the law. 

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#65123

On 26/03/2019 7:16 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote:
>>
>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>
>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>> precedent
>>
>>
>> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
>> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
>> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
>> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
>> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
>> speech has been sacrificed by company decision:
>>
>>      “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
>> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
>> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
>> thing to do to block them.”
>>
>> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
>> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
>> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
>> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
>> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
>> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
>> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
>> free speech.
>> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
>> themselves to enact censorship
>>
>> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
>> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
>> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
>> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
>> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
>> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
>> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
>> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:
>>
>>      “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
>> but one that they all agree is necessary.”
>>
>> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
>> the same sites.
>> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
>> providers
>>
>> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
>> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
>> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
>> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
>> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
>> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.
>>
>>      Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
>> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
>> precedent
>>
>>      — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019
>>
>>
>> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
>> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
>> illegal content has been removed.
>> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”
>>
>> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
>> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
>> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
>> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
>> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
>> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
>> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"
>>
>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/ 
>>
>>
> 
> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
> 
> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
> 

Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to prevent 
access to "offensive" material?

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#65124

On 26/03/2019 9:16 pm, Max wrote:
> On 26/03/2019 7:16 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>
>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>> precedent
>>>
>>>
>>> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
>>> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
>>> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
>>> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
>>> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
>>> speech has been sacrificed by company decision:
>>>
>>>      “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
>>> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
>>> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
>>> thing to do to block them.”
>>>
>>> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
>>> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
>>> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
>>> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
>>> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
>>> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
>>> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
>>> free speech.
>>> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
>>> themselves to enact censorship
>>>
>>> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
>>> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
>>> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
>>> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
>>> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
>>> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
>>> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
>>> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:
>>>
>>>      “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
>>> but one that they all agree is necessary.”
>>>
>>> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
>>> the same sites.
>>> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
>>> providers
>>>
>>> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
>>> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
>>> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
>>> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
>>> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
>>> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.
>>>
>>>      Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
>>> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
>>> precedent
>>>
>>>      — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
>>> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
>>> illegal content has been removed.
>>> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”
>>>
>>> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
>>> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
>>> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
>>> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
>>> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
>>> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
>>> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"
>>>
>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/ 
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>
>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>>
> 
> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to prevent 
> access to "offensive" material?
> 
Yes.

Also, bear in mind that they're not just blocking the video in question, 
but everything from that site.

Sylvia.

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#65125

On 26/03/2019 9:01 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 26/03/2019 9:16 pm, Max wrote:
>> On 26/03/2019 7:16 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>>
>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>> precedent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
>>>> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
>>>> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
>>>> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
>>>> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
>>>> speech has been sacrificed by company decision:
>>>>
>>>>      “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
>>>> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
>>>> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
>>>> thing to do to block them.”
>>>>
>>>> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
>>>> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
>>>> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
>>>> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
>>>> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
>>>> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
>>>> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
>>>> free speech.
>>>> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
>>>> themselves to enact censorship
>>>>
>>>> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
>>>> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
>>>> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
>>>> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
>>>> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
>>>> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
>>>> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
>>>> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:
>>>>
>>>>      “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
>>>> but one that they all agree is necessary.”
>>>>
>>>> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
>>>> the same sites.
>>>> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
>>>> providers
>>>>
>>>> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
>>>> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
>>>> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
>>>> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
>>>> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
>>>> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.
>>>>
>>>>      Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
>>>> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
>>>> precedent
>>>>
>>>>      — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
>>>> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
>>>> illegal content has been removed.
>>>> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”
>>>>
>>>> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
>>>> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
>>>> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
>>>> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
>>>> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
>>>> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
>>>> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"
>>>>
>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/ 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>>
>>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
>>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to 
>> prevent access to "offensive" material?
>>
> Yes.
> 
> Also, bear in mind that they're not just blocking the video in question, 
> but everything from that site.
> 
> Sylvia.

AFAIK Liveleak themselves have said that they won't be hosting the video 
so how can that be used as an excuse for blocking the site?





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#65126

"Max" <max@val.morgan> wrote in message news:q7cu67$18sj$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 26/03/2019 7:16 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>
>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>> precedent
>>>
>>>
>>> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
>>> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
>>> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
>>> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
>>> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
>>> speech has been sacrificed by company decision:
>>>
>>>      “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
>>> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
>>> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
>>> thing to do to block them.”
>>>
>>> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
>>> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
>>> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
>>> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
>>> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
>>> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
>>> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
>>> free speech.
>>> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
>>> themselves to enact censorship
>>>
>>> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
>>> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
>>> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
>>> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
>>> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
>>> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
>>> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
>>> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:
>>>
>>>      “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
>>> but one that they all agree is necessary.”
>>>
>>> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
>>> the same sites.
>>> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
>>> providers
>>>
>>> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
>>> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
>>> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
>>> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
>>> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
>>> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.
>>>
>>>      Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
>>> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
>>> precedent
>>>
>>>      — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
>>> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
>>> illegal content has been removed.
>>> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”
>>>
>>> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
>>> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
>>> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
>>> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
>>> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
>>> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
>>> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"
>>>
>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>
>>
>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>
>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>>
>
> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to prevent 
> access to "offensive" material?

In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that. 

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#65134

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:04:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>
>>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
>>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to prevent 
>> access to "offensive" material?
>
>In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that. 

But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
-- 
It’s Racist And Insensitive 
To Tell Moslems Not To Poop On The Floor
https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/racist-refugees-not-poop-floor/

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#65135

On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 18:49:27 UTC+11, Petzl  wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:04:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
> >>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to prevent 
> >> access to "offensive" material?
> >
> >In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that. 
> 
> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Fair comment!.
> -- 
> It’s Racist And Insensitive 
> To Tell Moslems Not To Poop On The Floor
> https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/racist-refugees-not-poop-floor/

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#65137

"jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:bb8be85f-c627-45b7-9f4b-62e8beec916a@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 18:49:27 UTC+11, Petzl  wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:04:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do
>> >>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to 
>> >> prevent
>> >> access to "offensive" material?
>> >
>> >In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that.
>>
>> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Fair comment!.

Nope, bigot boy. 

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#65147

On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:28:33 UTC+11, Rod Speed  wrote:
> "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:bb8be85f-c627-45b7-9f4b-62e8beec916a@googlegroups.com...
> > On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 18:49:27 UTC+11, Petzl  wrote:
> >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:04:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> >> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do
> >> >>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to 
> >> >> prevent
> >> >> access to "offensive" material?
> >> >
> >> >In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that.
> >>
> >> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Fair comment!.
> 
> Nope, bigot boy.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Check your *facts* on what I was *Agreeing* with. Idiot wind!.

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#65148

"jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:5206e7eb-00c9-4d10-aba7-99b735df9b56@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:28:33 UTC+11, Rod Speed  wrote:
>> "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:bb8be85f-c627-45b7-9f4b-62e8beec916a@googlegroups.com...
>> > On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 18:49:27 UTC+11, Petzl  wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:04:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> >> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them 
>> >> >>> do
>> >> >>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to
>> >> >> prevent
>> >> >> access to "offensive" material?
>> >> >
>> >> >In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that.
>> >>
>> >> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Fair comment!.
>>
>> Nope, bigot boy.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Check your *facts* on what I was *Agreeing* with.

Don’t need to, bigot boy.

> Idiot wind!.

Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, bigot 
boy,
> 

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#65154

On Friday, 29 March 2019 04:56:25 UTC+11, Rod Speed  wrote:
> "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:5206e7eb-00c9-4d10-aba7-99b735df9b56@googlegroups.com...
> > On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:28:33 UTC+11, Rod Speed  wrote:
> >> "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:bb8be85f-c627-45b7-9f4b-62e8beec916a@googlegroups.com...
> >> > On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 18:49:27 UTC+11, Petzl  wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:04:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them 
> >> >> >>> do
> >> >> >>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to
> >> >> >> prevent
> >> >> >> access to "offensive" material?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that.
> >> >>
> >> >> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > Fair comment!.
> >>
> >> Nope, bigot boy.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Check your *facts* on what I was *Agreeing* with.
> 
> Don’t need to, bigot boy.
> 
> > Idiot wind!.
> 
> Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, bigot 
> boy,
> >
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 HO-HUM...Keep that up and you will be kept back *Again*...

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#65156

"jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:538932be-deba-496f-a974-ce32e07ad0b9@googlegroups.com...
> On Friday, 29 March 2019 04:56:25 UTC+11, Rod Speed  wrote:
>> "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5206e7eb-00c9-4d10-aba7-99b735df9b56@googlegroups.com...
>> > On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:28:33 UTC+11, Rod Speed  wrote:
>> >> "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:bb8be85f-c627-45b7-9f4b-62e8beec916a@googlegroups.com...
>> >> > On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 18:49:27 UTC+11, Petzl  wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:04:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's 
>> >> >> >>> them
>> >> >> >>> do
>> >> >> >>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to
>> >> >> >> prevent
>> >> >> >> access to "offensive" material?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
>> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >> > Fair comment!.
>> >>
>> >> Nope, bigot boy.
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Check your *facts* on what I was *Agreeing* with.
>>
>> Don’t need to, bigot boy.
>>
>> > Idiot wind!.
>>
>> Your sig is sposed to have a line with just -- on it in front of it, 
>> bigot
>> boy,
>> >
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> HO-HUM...Keep that up and you will be kept back *Again*...

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed drunken psychotic fantasys, 
bigot boy. 

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#65136

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote 
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's 
>>>> them do that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.

>>> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows 
>>> them to prevent access to "offensive" material?

>> In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that. 
 
> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?

Corse it does. 
 

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#65138

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:27:32 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote 
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's 
>>>>> them do that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>
>>>> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows 
>>>> them to prevent access to "offensive" material?
>
>>> In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that. 
> 
>> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
>
>Corse it does. 
> 
Al-Jazeera don't and defend the Moslem killer
(mental issues, lone wolf etc)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/car-hits-melbourne-pedestrians-deliberate-act-171221081544351.html
   https://is.gd/3t03lB  
-- 
Petzl 
 We are advised to NOT judge ALL Moslems by the actions of a few lunatics, 
but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. 
Funny how that works. 

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#65139

"Petzl" <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:omhm9etlr7k9nmeddfi0sopgt67ktl6j6l@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:27:32 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's
>>>>>> them do that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>>
>>>>> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows
>>>>> them to prevent access to "offensive" material?
>>
>>>> In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that.
>>
>>> But doen't for Moslems mowing down infidels by car?
>>
>>Corse it does.

> Al-Jazeera don't

Our law doesn't apply to them.

> and defend the Moslem killer (mental issues, lone wolf etc)

That's not defending him.

> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/car-hits-melbourne-pedestrians-deliberate-act-171221081544351.html
>   https://is.gd/3t03lB
 

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#65127

In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>> 
>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>> 
>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>> precedent
>> 
>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
> 
> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.

Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).

-- 
__          __
#_ < |\| |< _#

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#65128

In aus.computers Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>> 
>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>> 
>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>> precedent
>>> 
>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>> 
>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
> 
> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).

voat.co can't be accessed via the IP address because they use
Cloudflare (and they've blocked sites intentionally in the past
as well, though not in this case). Jeeze the internet is getting
messed up with layers on top of layers, mixed in with deliberate
censorship and other filtering.

-- 
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#_ < |\| |< _#

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#65130

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:29:34 +0000 (UTC),
not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:

>In aus.computers Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> In aus.legal Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je?us wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>> 
>>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>>> precedent
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>> 
>>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>> 
>> Rats, that's all my alternative ISP options down the drain then.
>> Telstra are blocking at least the DNS, I can't seem to test the
>> IP address because DNS resolver web pages are giving wrong IP
>> addresses for some reason (only tried archive.is).
>
>voat.co can't be accessed via the IP address because they use
>Cloudflare (and they've blocked sites intentionally in the past
>as well, though not in this case). Jeeze the internet is getting
>messed up with layers on top of layers, mixed in with deliberate
>censorship and other filtering.

Even Tumblr has gone all pussy.
...meow.

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