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Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent"

From "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups aus.computers, aus.legal
Subject Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent"
Date 2019-03-27 04:04 +1100
Message-ID <gfv4dnFlq52U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References <9o4j9edcnd8llckvla8rb75um0kn9gj9rm@j.net> <gfu5f6FequtU1@mid.individual.net> <q7cu67$18sj$1@gioia.aioe.org>

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"Max" <max@val.morgan> wrote in message news:q7cu67$18sj$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 26/03/2019 7:16 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote:
>>>
>>> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship:
>>>
>>> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal
>>> precedent
>>>
>>>
>>> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and
>>> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct
>>> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have.
>>> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog
>>> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free
>>> speech has been sacrificed by company decision:
>>>
>>>      “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is
>>> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these
>>> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right
>>> thing to do to block them.”
>>>
>>> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in
>>> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s
>>> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully
>>> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These
>>> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have
>>> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their
>>> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising
>>> free speech.
>>> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon
>>> themselves to enact censorship
>>>
>>> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were
>>> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block
>>> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers
>>> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks
>>> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change
>>> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship
>>> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at
>>> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO:
>>>
>>>      “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry,
>>> but one that they all agree is necessary.”
>>>
>>> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban
>>> the same sites.
>>> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet
>>> providers
>>>
>>> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started
>>> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and
>>> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide
>>> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller
>>> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course,
>>> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked.
>>>
>>>      Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring
>>> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous
>>> precedent
>>>
>>>      — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019
>>>
>>>
>>> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks,
>>> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the
>>> illegal content has been removed.
>>> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do”
>>>
>>> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down
>>> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in
>>> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines,
>>> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the
>>> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to
>>> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and
>>> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”"
>>>
>>> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/
>>>
>>
>> Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level.
>>
>> I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do 
>> that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract.
>>
>
> Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to prevent 
> access to "offensive" material?

In fact the law REQUIRES them to do that. 

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"ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-26 09:52 +0700
  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-26 19:16 +1100
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 20:08 +1100
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Max <max@val.morgan> - 2019-03-26 21:16 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 00:01 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-26 21:59 +0800
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 04:04 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 18:49 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 01:08 -0700
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:28 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 01:54 -0700
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 04:56 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:24 -0700
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 04:12 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:27 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 20:50 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 04:47 +1100
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:21 +0000
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:29 +0000
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2019-03-27 10:14 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:14 +1000
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-29 09:52 +1100
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:30 +1100
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:12 +1000
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 16:05 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-27 22:14 +0000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +1000
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:15 +0000
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 15:40 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:19 +0000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:42 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 17:54 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-28 08:43 +0800
          Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:27 +0000
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-29 08:33 +1000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-29 01:32 +0000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:52 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-31 07:48 +0800
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-31 04:57 +0000
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:55 +0700
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 07:04 +1100
            Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:49 +1100
              Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-31 22:00 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 13:43 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-04-01 22:07 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-02 10:35 +1100
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-04-02 06:55 +0000
                Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-03 15:02 +1100
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:43 +1000
      Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-28 13:10 +1100
        Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 14:49 +1100
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:59 +0700
  Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:38 +0000
    Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 13:56 +1000

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