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| From | Max <max@val.morgan> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | aus.computers, aus.legal |
| Subject | Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" |
| Date | 2019-03-26 21:16 +1100 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <q7cu67$18sj$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | <9o4j9edcnd8llckvla8rb75um0kn9gj9rm@j.net> <gfu5f6FequtU1@mid.individual.net> |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 26/03/2019 7:16 pm, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 26/03/2019 1:52 pm, Je�us wrote: >> >> The nanny state is insatiable in it's desire for censorship: >> >> "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal >> precedent >> >> >> Several websites including Voat, ZeroHedge, Archive.is, LiveLeak, and >> others have been blocked in Australia and New Zealand in direct >> contravention to civil liberties that citizens are supposed to have. >> The biggest of these internet providers, Telstra, has published a blog >> post defending their censorship action – even acknowledging that free >> speech has been sacrificed by company decision: >> >> “We appreciate that it is necessary to ensure free speech is >> carefully balanced against protecting the community – but with these >> sites continuing to host disturbing content we feel it is the right >> thing to do to block them.” >> >> In fact, some of the blocked sites have been unfairly lambasted in >> mainstream media as “refusing” to take down offending material. Let’s >> be clear, each and every one of the blocked websites operates lawfully >> – that includes removing illegal material when requested. These >> internet service providers (ISPs) in Australia and New Zealand have >> taken it upon themselves to play judge, jury, and executioner in their >> condemnation of these websites and their visitors just for exercising >> free speech. >> In New Zealand, mobile internet service providers take it upon >> themselves to enact censorship >> >> Starting over the weekend, Spark NZ, Vodafone NZ, and Vocus NZ were >> the three New Zealand ISPs that have taken it upon themselves to block >> these sites. On their part, the ISPs and smartphone network providers >> are claiming that these are only temporary blocks. Temporary blocks >> that have lasted multiple days – more than long enough to change >> people’s’ browsing habits. Even the perpetrators of this censorship >> are aware how unprecedented it is. Geoff Thorn, a chief executive at >> New Zealand Telecommunications Forum (TCF), commented to CIO: >> >> “This is an unprecedented move by the telecommunications industry, >> but one that they all agree is necessary.” >> >> CIO additionally confirmed that the ISPs are working together to ban >> the same sites. >> In Australia, censorship also happens at the whim of the internet >> providers >> >> Unsurprisingly, the over-reactive censorship has even started >> spreading around the world. Starting Monday the 18th, Telstra and >> Vodafone in Australia have also implemented these blocks network wide >> – that means even the many Australians using Vodafone reseller >> networks are affected by Vodafone’s censorship decisions. Of course, >> Facebook is not one of the sites that has been blocked. >> >> Are these blocks due to legal request, or is Telstra now censoring >> entire sites due to internal policies? Setting a very dangerous >> precedent >> >> — James Franklin (@James23235689) March 18, 2019 >> >> >> Vodafone has even confirmed that they were told to place the blocks, >> and they will remove the blocks when they are “advised” that the >> illegal content has been removed. >> Censoring free speech is never “the right thing to do” >> >> The internet providers in Australia and New Zealand are sliding down >> an incredibly slippery slope against free speech. Previously, in >> Australia and other parts of the world like Russia and Philippines, >> ISPs would not censor access to websites unless clearly told to by the >> government. The precedent that internet providers can decide when to >> start blocking sites seemingly arbitrarily has now both been set and >> abused… All in the name of “doing the right thing.”" >> >> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent/ >> >> > > Optus are blocking Live Leaks, at the IP address level. > > I can't find anything in the terms and conditions that let's them do > that. Looks to me as if they're in breach of contract. > Are you sure there isn't anything in the law that allows them to prevent access to "offensive" material?
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"ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-26 09:52 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-26 19:16 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-26 20:08 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Max <max@val.morgan> - 2019-03-26 21:16 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 00:01 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-26 21:59 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 04:04 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 18:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 01:08 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:28 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 01:54 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-29 04:56 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "jonz@nowhere." <johnhhhinton7@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 17:24 -0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-30 04:12 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 19:27 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-27 20:50 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 04:47 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:21 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-26 22:29 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> - 2019-03-27 10:14 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:14 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" FMurtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> - 2019-03-29 09:52 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:30 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-27 14:12 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-27 16:05 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-27 22:14 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:40 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:15 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 15:40 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:19 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:42 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 17:54 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-28 08:43 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-28 22:27 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-29 08:33 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-29 01:32 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:52 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> - 2019-03-31 07:48 +0800
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-03-31 04:57 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:55 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 07:04 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-03-31 10:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-03-31 22:00 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-01 13:43 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-04-01 22:07 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-02 10:35 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2019-04-02 06:55 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-04-03 15:02 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" keithr0 <user@account.invalid> - 2019-03-28 11:43 +1000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2019-03-28 13:10 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2019-03-28 14:49 +1100
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Jeßus <j@j.net> - 2019-03-31 11:59 +0700
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-08-25 23:38 +0000
Re: "ISPs in AU and NZ start censoring the internet without legal precedent" Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> - 2019-08-26 13:56 +1000
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